The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:This game messes with your head, man. Right now I feel like Quin is such an obvious baddie that it's making me second guess myself, thinking "it can't be that easy, can it?"

It was that easy with DDL, wasn't it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Once again my time is restricted today. I don't know whether I'll be able to contribute much between now and the deadline.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Once again my time is restricted today. I don't know whether I'll be able to contribute much between now and the deadline.

Jay, is it fair to say that you intend to vote for Long Con today, as things currently stand?

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

You were there, but you did not play the game so you don't have a good comparison?

What do you mean?

Oops, that's horrible wording! I meant that because I didn't play the other game mentioned that I don't have any comparison with Epi's behavior in this game. Does that make more sense?

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

I wanted to circle back to this point, because it's a good one. I'm certainly not cleared by the lynch at all. For that reason, I'm a bit puzzled as to why INH, whom I generally feel good about, decided to drop his case against me after the lynch. Can you clear that up, INH?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

You were there, but you did not play the game so you don't have a good comparison?

What do you mean?

Oops, that's horrible wording! I meant that because I didn't play the other game mentioned that I don't have any comparison with Epi's behavior in this game. Does that make more sense?

Sort of. I still don't understand what you mean by "I was there", unless he did that to you at some point.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

I wanted to circle back to this point, because it's a good one. I'm certainly not cleared by the lynch at all. For that reason, I'm a bit puzzled as to why INH, whom I generally feel good about, decided to drop his case against me after the lynch. Can you clear that up, INH?

I think some people like to look at lynches as black-and-white. ie, if the lynchee comes out bad, the counter-wagon looks good.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

I wanted to circle back to this point, because it's a good one. I'm certainly not cleared by the lynch at all. For that reason, I'm a bit puzzled as to why INH, whom I generally feel good about, decided to drop his case against me after the lynch. Can you clear that up, INH?

I think some people like to look at lynches as black-and-white. ie, if the lynchee comes out bad, the counter-wagon looks good.

A regrettable post. Now instead of having to think up an answer to my question, INH can just say "what MM said" and I won't get any insight into his play.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Once again my time is restricted today. I don't know whether I'll be able to contribute much between now and the deadline.

Jay, is it fair to say that you intend to vote for Long Con today, as things currently stand?

thellama73 wrote:And who is in your sights today, LC?

Sorsha wrote:If I had to pick sides on the two battles going on today I'd lean baddie on Quin and jjj, lean civ on the other two.

There was reason to suspect Quin before today based on his vote and reason for breaking the tie in DDLs favor yesterday. Then the stuff today about being framed seems like grasping at straws. Then turning to the llama/jjj interaction (or lack of) in the thread seems like more grasping.

I didn't have great feelings about jjj yesterday when he was needling me about how I responded to llama but I wasn't sure if I was just being overdefensive or not so I didn't say anything. That others seem to be seeing something there too reaffirms my feeling that he could be bad.

Epignosis wrote:Quin, why did you vote llama Day 1? That's something I haven't worked out.

Elohcin wrote:I'm back for a few while fish sticks are in the oven. Yes...fish sticks for breakfast, my daughter is weird.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:If Eloh role blocked me, but Boomslang's survival was the result of a doctor protection, it would probably mean Elohcin calling me out wasn't an attempt at a frame job. That would make her civilian. Any reason I shouldn't think this?

If all of these assumptions are granted, sure. I'm not certain we have the data necessary to just call Elohcin a roleblocker (for either faction). She emerged into this day phase with two primary comments of relevance:

1. Appreciative of my reviewing of the progression of votes on Day 1, which included a lengthy description of Quin emerging looking less than stellar.

2. She is suspicious of Quin.

My inclination is to tie these together -- she agreed with the concerns I expressed about Quin's vote and expressed suspicion accordingly. Elohcin, please correct me if this is not accurate.

You are 100% accurate in this. And then there was this which furthered my suspicion.

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Yay! No kill. I guess the kill was blocked.

I know I haven;t been here much, but I have been following along today and I think JJJ's summary of the votes on Day 1 was nicely detailed enough to catch me up. I have an idea of someone I think could be bad. Quin. His vote, his sneaky tone, and the fact that his defenses haven't sounded genuine to me.

So it was you, huh?

Whether I am a roleblocker or not...I will not say. But this reaction is alarming to me. If I were caught up, I would be voting Quin right now. But I feel I should at least catch up before voting.

Boomslang wrote:Whew, thanks much to whatever behind-the-scenes shenanigans kept me alive last night! Hopefully we can keep this good juju running.

In all of the discussion about Quin's tinfoil theory, I think people are missing this key post, in which I think he clearly backtracks from the position:

Quin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:It's possible but pretty unlikely that the baddies would block their own kill like that. Especially after losing one of their own in the day one lynch.

That's a good point. I'd say this is more likely a doctor job.

And then he returns to using the theory while defending against Quin, calling it "the second most likely scenario." Also, "There's no tinfoil to be found there. This near-exact scenario happened in the very last game, which you modded." Which again glosses over the differences in context between the Sorsha situation and this hypothetical. I feel like Quin's digging a very deep hole.

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm catching up in the thread, but I think I'll do some thought posting before being fully caught up so I can actually contribute without feeling like I'm just rehashing. So, expect possible rehashing of others' thoughts.

1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

2) I will be focusing attention on llama voters ATM. Initial thoughts on each as I read through and remember what was posted during the Day:

INH: Came out, guns a-blazin', against llama for reasons I remember agreeing with (and posted about in my bigger post). It was mostly the going after Sorsha part that I agreed with (as in, llama came out going after Sorsha with no real reasoning, and continued to push it with no real reasoning), as well as the part pointing out the way llama has with manipulating with words. In other words, INH had a case against llama and went with it, making him the least suspicious in my eyes. Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

Long Con: Added on to llama votes. Honestly, haven't looked at him particularly closely yet (still reading), but I do see he's getting suspicion, especially from JJJ at the bottom of his read list, so I'd like to look back more at him. But not a good look if, in fact, llama is good. Well, also not a good look regardless, since DDL flipped bad.

Quin: First to break the tie. Not a good look (again, considering what we know). Seeing a lot of back and forth between him and JJJ in the most recent pages that I'd like to look more closely at. OH and that weird comment after Eloh posted? The one about claiming she's the blocker with her comment? Weird comment, no matter how you slice it: if bad, sounds defensive and frustrated after missing a kill. If good, why point out someone you think is the blocker?! Might as well paint a target for baddies.

Wilgy: In and out of the thread. Appears to have voted for llama out of a desire to "save" the Marmot, but MM only had one vote on him at the time (to be fair, however, there was possible momentum in the thread that could have picked up towards him, enough for me to post my disagreement with it). Either way, dude broke the tie at the end against DDL, which is definitely not a good look, and hasn't come back with anything of substance since. Not a good look.

But now, as I write this, only focusing on llama voters, and thinking about how llama may or may not be good, I want to look at outliers too, dammit. Think I'll do that a bit later as I read more.

Blooper out for now.

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

I wanted to circle back to this point, because it's a good one. I'm certainly not cleared by the lynch at all. For that reason, I'm a bit puzzled as to why INH, whom I generally feel good about, decided to drop his case against me after the lynch. Can you clear that up, INH?

Good point. Why did he drop the case all of a sudden?

Scotty wrote:I'd vote for JJJ today. Then Quin.

Quin is reminding me of that game I got killed in pretty recently that he won as a baddie: tunneling on Dom all game (llama in this one) and all over the place.

JJJ does look like he is steering the narrative a certain way, and the couple posts that I quoted in regards to DDL seem...lacking something.

I didn't win that game. LoRab spelled my downfall with a well-placed role use.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Quin, why did you vote llama Day 1? That's something I haven't worked out.

Pretty sure I've talked about this.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Quin, why did you vote llama Day 1? That's something I haven't worked out.

Pretty sure I've talked about this.

I'm pretty sure you have too, but I'm not interested in wading back through all of that nonsense to find out. So a straightforward response here would be appreciated.

Sorsha wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Quin, why did you vote llama Day 1? That's something I haven't worked out.

Pretty sure I've talked about this.

I'm pretty sure you have too, but I'm not interested in wading back through all of that nonsense to find out. So a straightforward response here would be appreciated.

I remember what it was but I don't know if you want to hear it straight from Quin or if I should tell you?

Quin wrote:I might just break that tie.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'd vote for JJJ today. Then Quin.

Quin is reminding me of that game I got killed in pretty recently that he won as a baddie: tunneling on Dom all game (llama in this one) and all over the place.

JJJ does look like he is steering the narrative a certain way, and the couple posts that I quoted in regards to DDL seem...lacking something.

I didn't win that game. LoRab spelled my downfall with a well-placed role use.

I haven't tunneled on anybody. You're going to have to elaborate because there's nothing relatable between these two games.

Sorsha wrote:

Quin wrote:I might just break that tie.

Llama never responded or reacted to this post from Quin and Quin expected him to.

Quin wrote:When I said I'd break the tie, I expected llama to at least acknowledge it, since he was one of the two I'd be voting to lynch. I think he was complacent enough to give it a pass based on my earlier posts about him.

I also think the contradiction people suspect DDL for isn't of value. That's who he is, I know that much. I also think he'd have a new energy here if he was bad, considering he often complains about how he never rolls bad here.

thellama73 wrote:MP has always said that a self vote is the only vote guaranteed not to catch a baddie, and has condemned those who engage in the practice in the harshest terms. I'm very troubled by the MP we're seeing here.

Sorsha wrote:

Quin wrote:When I said I'd break the tie, I expected llama to at least acknowledge it, since he was one of the two I'd be voting to lynch. I think he was complacent enough to give it a pass based on my earlier posts about him.

I also think the contradiction people suspect DDL for isn't of value. That's who he is, I know that much. I also think he'd have a new energy here if he was bad, considering he often complains about how he never rolls bad here.

This was what he said to that, Epi

Epignosis wrote:I mean, if someone had spoken positively about me before comes in and says he is going to break the tie, I would interpret that to mean that he would break the tie in my favor. No comment would be necessary.

Am I ignorant for thinking this?

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I mean, if someone had spoken positively about me before comes in and says he is going to break the tie, I would interpret that to mean that he would break the tie in my favor. No comment would be necessary.

Am I ignorant for thinking this?

Quin accused me of complacency for making that assumption, although I'm still unclear why complacency is a baddie tell. He didn't hold DDL to the same standard because DDL was not reading the thread at the time.

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm brain-dead exhausted and have done about all the reading I can handle for the day. I'm down with a Quin vote. Not ignoring the weirdness as stated and as transpired in the thread.

Epignosis wrote:DDL didn't comment on Quin's post either, so what the hell?