The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:47 am @Dr. White It's your turn. Iron_Dwarf and Marmot need roles.

Last 3 available roles are:
Fighter
Knight
Cavalier

Marmot - cavalier role

We’ve almost made it. I can’t wait to learn who I am.

[mention]Marmot[/mention]ttttttt, give Iron_Dwarf a role! Fighter or Knight.

it's weird that no one's picked knight yet

Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

But shall I receive?

"iron dwarf" seems like an appropriate name for a knight

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention], have the Knight.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

so that makes Colin the fighter right

Is that it?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

I'm still bitter about sprityo getting the Cleric.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 pm so that makes Colin the fighter right

If I understood correctly that he's the only one left and the fighter is the only role left, yes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

did you not want the knight?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

Did I fuck up?

Can I lynch people already?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:11 am Rabbit LC and Nutella almost perfectly fit into the three personality types pegknights usually fit into

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:34 am Nutella is the youngest and kindest one
LC is the calm and collected one
rabbit is the hot-headed tomboy

it's like that in every FE game I've played.

O.o

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:20 pm dunya - If she was selected for the mafia team, I'd expect to see a degree of obsessiveness at least one factor lower. She might lead the thread in posts, but not by doubling second place.
Kylemii - His thoughts on dunya/Epignosis/rundontwalk and the wyvern rider role looked authentically-derived and sincere
gwilikers6 - I like the eagerness I see from him in his first foray into this foreign land.
Dragon D. Luffy - He wants to kill people ASAP and I think it looks true.
nutella - I still think her observation in the rules was a good look.
sig - I already talked about you. I think the "mafia unlikely to select oft-lynched player" thing applies to you more than the rest.
rundontwalk - He didn't falter when I gave him shit, and is well on with his paranoid meta of the Old Times.

Don’t lynch them.

Why
and my calculator is perfect.

See colorful additions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:47 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

Did I fuck up?

I interpreted the emote as a celebratory fist So you did not fuck up at all!

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:00 pm Iron_Dwarf asked for it.

@Iron_Dwarf, have the Knight.

I'm still bitter about sprityo getting the Cleric.

There, there, An Erotic Marmot, there, there. We'll get revenge on the big, bad, sprityo who called us all boring af.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

damn, here I go again. I've said this maybe every game I've played here when someone gives me an answer like yours. You townread someone and didn't scum-feel anyone out, or at least not to the point of mentioning it and that pings me. If it were any other laid back Day 0, I wouldn't mind, but there's quite a few things that happened. Call me crazy, but I'm more likely to feel someone is iffy than someone is civvy on Day 0, especially a reasonably active Day 0.

Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:14 pm That's funny because I was going to say ColonialBob was mafia based on his plane taxi post. It just felt laid on thick to me. I mean I am on a tropical island 20 feet from the ocean but you didn't know that because I am genuinely distracted and disinterested whereas he had that scummy forced connectivity to the thread that makes you say unnecessary things.

Also I think RDW is a civ. Dunya is a civ. Epignosis and sig are sus. Jimmy is a civ. Colin is a civ. gwilikers6 is sus. Spirityo and nutella are civ. Kyle is a civ. Quin is sus. Rabbit is a civ. Everybody else is null. Brb fishing.

Tell me about the sus crew in as few words as possible.

Has [mention]rabbit8[/mention] disappeared since the other night? Would we have been waiting for him all this time had Jack not moved the drafting along? Don't think it's a smart scum-move to leave the thread hanging the way he did, so I don't really think he's playing as part of a team.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

damn, here I go again. I've said this maybe every game I've played here when someone gives me an answer like yours. You townread someone and didn't scum-feel anyone out, or at least not to the point of mentioning it and that pings me. If it were any other laid back Day 0, I wouldn't mind, but there's quite a few things that happened. Call me crazy, but I'm more likely to feel someone is iffy than someone is civvy on Day 0, especially a reasonably active Day 0.

Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

There is one bit that concerns me, nutella, which I've highlighted. I do believe that for many players, perhaps even most, making judgments on Day 0 is beyond them regardless of activity level. They just don't try. It irks me, but it's reality. You're not a player I would associate with that approach though. Maybe you were two years ago, but your game has grown a great deal since I first encountered you, and the most evident change has been in your willingness to fling mud early and often.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:38 pm Has rabbit8 disappeared since the other night? Would we have been waiting for him all this time had Jack not moved the drafting along? Don't think it's a smart scum-move to leave the thread hanging the way he did, so I don't really think he's playing as part of a team.

He has seemed generally absent or lower in activity in multiple games, so I award him zero points.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:14 pm Scum team now promotes, dangerous bosses that they are. All scum players with roles that have split promotions, pm me which class you want to promote to.

This is scary but good? There's a distinction between town and scum team now. We have so many roles on our side that will make the 5 scum's promotions harder to hide if we get lucky and smart. Everyone with inquisitive roles (like looking into PMs, looking into roles, etc) should really focus on the info they get back. We have 5 day phases and 5 night phases before anyone is eligible for promotion, so there's that. I know this game allows info dumping, but let's not play all our cards our in the open immediately and see what we can hook first, and then make connections later before reeling them in.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

gross.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

You've read enough to catch that within 10 minutes.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], don't bother making ISO links (unless you've already started -- lemme know). I got it.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

gross.

and by gross I mean I'm not buying it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

You've read enough to catch that within 10 minutes.

I open the thread every time it shows up red on the main page so I can make it not be red anymore. I do that with all the threads. This time I saw my name.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

gross.

and by gross I mean I'm not buying it.

Not buying what? That I'm not reading the thread? The only thing I've read was when roles were going out and it was my turn (and now this since I saw my name).

I'll read everything when I'm ready to read everything, and that isn't now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

You've read enough to catch that within 10 minutes.

I open the thread every time it shows up red on the main page so I can make it not be red anymore. I do that with all the threads. This time I saw my name.

So you're clicking this thread every few minutes (as would be necessary to continuously eliminate redness), but you've read nothing?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:38 pm Has rabbit8 disappeared since the other night? Would we have been waiting for him all this time had Jack not moved the drafting along? Don't think it's a smart scum-move to leave the thread hanging the way he did, so I don't really think he's playing as part of a team.

He has seemed generally absent or lower in activity in multiple games, so I award him zero points.

I'm still not gonna believe a scum rabbit would know it was his turn, be online, post no when someone asked him for a role, and then disappear till now. If he is salty about being night killed early, at least as scum he'd know he's safe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

damn, here I go again. I've said this maybe every game I've played here when someone gives me an answer like yours. You townread someone and didn't scum-feel anyone out, or at least not to the point of mentioning it and that pings me. If it were any other laid back Day 0, I wouldn't mind, but there's quite a few things that happened. Call me crazy, but I'm more likely to feel someone is iffy than someone is civvy on Day 0, especially a reasonably active Day 0.

Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

There is one bit that concerns me, nutella, which I've highlighted. I do believe that for many players, perhaps even most, making judgments on Day 0 is beyond them regardless of activity level. They just don't try. It irks me, but it's reality. You're not a player I would associate with that approach though. Maybe you were two years ago, but your game has grown a great deal since I first encountered you, and the most evident change has been in your willingness to fling mud early and often.

dunya, I've always found it much easier to pick up on a few civ reads this early in the game than scum reads, maybe that's not true for you but it is for me. And Jay yes I have recently taken to flinging mud early on if something catches my eye, but this particular day 0 has been a strange and new situation that's been focused on the draft and mechanics so I'm not seeing the same types of interaction that I'm used to on normal day 0s, and again I don't have the patience to analyze the draft picks at least until I have some more game perspective on players to look at

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:49 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

gross.

and by gross I mean I'm not buying it.

Not buying what? That I'm not reading the thread? The only thing I've read was when roles were going out and it was my turn (and now this since I saw my name).

I'll read everything when I'm ready to read everything, and that isn't now.

you're online, playing mafia. I assume time constraint isn't the reason you're choosing not to read everything. so yea, this is very unepignosis like. I don't like it. Epignosis isn't someone who sits on the sidelines and throws a reading tantrum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

You've read enough to catch that within 10 minutes.

I open the thread every time it shows up red on the main page so I can make it not be red anymore. I do that with all the threads. This time I saw my name.

So you're clicking this thread every few minutes (as would be necessary to continuously eliminate redness), but you've read nothing?

Every few minutes? Of course not. I click it when I revisit the site, which hasn't been often today (even though I've been logged in all day).

Other than what I just told dunya I read, I haven't been reading.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:14 pm Scum team now promotes, dangerous bosses that they are. All scum players with roles that have split promotions, pm me which class you want to promote to.

This is scary but good? There's a distinction between town and scum team now. We have so many roles on our side that will make the 5 scum's promotions harder to hide if we get lucky and smart. Everyone with inquisitive roles (like looking into PMs, looking into roles, etc) should really focus on the info they get back. We have 5 day phases and 5 night phases before anyone is eligible for promotion, so there's that. I know this game allows info dumping, but let's not play all our cards our in the open immediately and see what we can hook first, and then make connections later before reeling them in.

hmmmm

you've really thought about this quite a bit huh

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:14 pm Scum team now promotes, dangerous bosses that they are. All scum players with roles that have split promotions, pm me which class you want to promote to.

This is scary but good? There's a distinction between town and scum team now. We have so many roles on our side that will make the 5 scum's promotions harder to hide if we get lucky and smart. Everyone with inquisitive roles (like looking into PMs, looking into roles, etc) should really focus on the info they get back. We have 5 day phases and 5 night phases before anyone is eligible for promotion, so there's that. I know this game allows info dumping, but let's not play all our cards our in the open immediately and see what we can hook first, and then make connections later before reeling them in.

hmmmm

you've really thought about this quite a bit huh

thanks for noticing, thinking is what I do best.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

You've read enough to catch that within 10 minutes.

I open the thread every time it shows up red on the main page so I can make it not be red anymore. I do that with all the threads. This time I saw my name.

So you're clicking this thread every few minutes (as would be necessary to continuously eliminate redness), but you've read nothing?

Every few minutes? Of course not. I click it when I revisit the site, which hasn't been often today (even though I've been logged in all day).

Other than what I just told dunya I read, I haven't been reading.

have you been distracted with the winter olympics? That's the only excuse I'm going to accept.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pmgross.

did you mean, "disgusting."?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pmgross.

did you mean, "disgusting."?

nah

I meant gross.

cos the post was gross.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pmgross.

did you mean, "disgusting."?

nah

I meant gross.

cos the post was gross.

you missed the reference :[

"Disgusting."

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:02 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pmgross.

did you mean, "disgusting."?

nah

I meant gross.

cos the post was gross.

you missed the reference :[

JOH is squirming.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:49 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

I have read nothing and have no intention of doing so until it suits me.

gross.

and by gross I mean I'm not buying it.

Not buying what? That I'm not reading the thread? The only thing I've read was when roles were going out and it was my turn (and now this since I saw my name).

I'll read everything when I'm ready to read everything, and that isn't now.

you're online, playing mafia. I assume time constraint isn't the reason you're choosing not to read everything. so yea, this is very unepignosis like. I don't like it. Epignosis isn't someone who sits on the sidelines and throws a reading tantrum.

I don't care what you don't like.

I gave you an honest answer. Time constraint is indeed a reason, although it's by choice; it's true that if I absolutely had to read the thread today to make an informed decision about something, I would do so. It is still Day 0, and I am prioritizing my time differently. Instead of reading who got what role in the draft, I did sports research this morning, and I've been playing video games with my boys this afternoon. Yesterday I worked late, cooked, ate, and watched TV with the family for most of the evening.

So what, you think I'm bad, and that I actually have been reading the thread, and that I'm laying low or some shit? Like I need to do that?

Please. I'll get involved when I'm ready. Don't suspect me for spending more time with my family.