The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:26 am Sup sacks. Sackdougall here to show you my sack.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:04 pm DDL keeps doing and saying mad suspicious shit so its like...is he bad or is he bad at being bad.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:33 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:04 pm DDL keeps doing and saying mad suspicious shit so its like...is he bad or is he bad at being bad.

Dear Captain @ DharmaHelper, why are you saying stuff like this? Also if you are going to say this stuff, wouldn't it be better and more productive if you proved it? Also, I'm very concerned; it seems you have done 2 scum tells from my perspective, which is a conflict of interest. Please stop being scummy.

Kindest regards,

Owner Of A Lonely Heart, a fellow passenger abroad your ship.

P.S. Currently Epi and TH are associated scum reads, so my vote might just stay where it is. There's also a chance, that you're just the 3p, as a 3p would be more worried about their own life. I guess I also may have some thoughts about why you choose this crew.

Dear Mods/Co-mods,

Is there a timer somewhere that shows when the end of the day is?

Either way, thanks.

Dear Townspeople,

I like DDL, Glorfindel, Colin, and INH

I potentially like speedychuck, nutella, and Enrique.

I'm leaning scummy on DharmaHelper, Epi, TH, and nova.

Most everyone else, I do really have any thoughts on.

Sincerely.

Owner

Idk if this was the best time for this.

I hope even though I'm not too trusting of my captain; that there will still be opportunities to become friends.

Unfortunately, this is game, and there's just certain things, behaviors, or patterns that are just really hard for me to ignore.

I want to be on a ship, but I'm also worried how mad my captain will be when he reads this.

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:46 am [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Novas vote for me early, then late breaking of the tie in favour of DH, TH and Luna speaks to me of a specific strategy to lessen my chances of being captain.

Nova doesn’t know me that well and I don’t knownova that well. Nova also hasn’t particularly noted anything about me he found suspicious. To me, it feels like part of a strategy.

My guess is one of those three is scum with nova. Probably TH, since TH did a similar thing. Luna voted for me. I’ve liked DH but he did also not vote for me, and his rationale could have been deliberately to pocket me. But TH fits the bill better than DH.

Nova, this is also aimed at you for response despite being passive.

I also feel as though this day has been faaaaar too quiet. I approve of a mac vote as it stands, but he’s one of several that seem to be lurking in the shadows. Wilgy is another, has he done anything but call me out? Where’s inh? Where’s Colin?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:08 am You've got to be scum eventually

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am That’s a big load of baloney right there, nova.

1) I danced around nothing. I’ve been direct about what I’ve been seeing. It’s your choice whether to engage in my suspicions of you or not, I don’t have to ask a specific question of you or @mention you to get your attention. That’s a completely arbitrary standard you’ve decided to apply, just to paint me as not genuine.

2) The motivation is clear to me - to control who is on what crew, who’s available for a nk, who’s available for a lynch. I’m far less controllable. If I pick an entirely town crew, and prevent them being lynched, then I get a strong advantage over the mafia. If I pick well, I can effectively prevent myself being nked.

3) You say you saw it coming... I could tell. That’s why you came at me the way you did to begin with. I called you out and instead of addressing my suspicion, you went as hominem - going after my choice of grammar instead of the accusation. There’s nothing much to your reasoning for your votes. Your turn on me was because apparently you liked me early and liked me less later, but you didn’t manage to give a single reason for either of those things. You’ve been waiting for me to vote before you do much of anything, just so you can defend the vote instead of actually engaging in the original suspicion too deeply.

Your response post then is trying to make out like my logic doesn’t track when you’re all over the place.

I particularly like this sentence from yo: “you’re getting too hung up on the captain votes, when I don’t think it should be a priority.” Of course you wouldn’t think it should be a priority if you’re reading it down. But I hate that deeply. If you don’t think the mafia tried to manipulate that vote in some way... we’ll i just don’t believe you.

Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

As for me wanting to be captain - on that one, at least, I’ll admit it’s NAI. I’d want it either way. But I wanted it here because of how badly day zero reeked of manipulation.

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:12 am Btw novas apparently been expecting me to come at him for ages and says I’m bad because I do but there’s no particular stated suspicion nor even a vote for me to back it up. Just attack as defence.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:19 pm I feel like a lot of the ongoing discussions are dead-ends. GTH I don't think DDL is bad, he's just being really clumsy lol. Mac is laying pretty low, but we did just start and I don't think his activity so far is indicative of alignment. Glorfindel is all over sig for what looks like nothing to me but... I remember Glorf's first game, and I believe the talk about his meta. sig has been fine.

Got a funny feeling about speedchuck but he hasn't been around a lot and I don't want to contribute to a possible pile-up. Leaving a placeholder vote on Colin for now for no good reason.

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:46 am [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Novas vote for me early, then late breaking of the tie in favour of DH, TH and Luna speaks to me of a specific strategy to lessen my chances of being captain.

Nova doesn’t know me that well and I don’t knownova that well. Nova also hasn’t particularly noted anything about me he found suspicious. To me, it feels like part of a strategy.

My guess is one of those three is scum with nova. Probably TH, since TH did a similar thing. Luna voted for me. I’ve liked DH but he did also not vote for me, and his rationale could have been deliberately to pocket me. But TH fits the bill better than DH.

Nova, this is also aimed at you for response despite being passive.

I also feel as though this day has been faaaaar too quiet. I approve of a mac vote as it stands, but he’s one of several that seem to be lurking in the shadows. Wilgy is another, has he done anything but call me out? Where’s inh? Where’s Colin?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:28 am

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:12 am Btw novas apparently been expecting me to come at him for ages and says I’m bad because I do but there’s no particular stated suspicion nor even a vote for me to back it up. Just attack as defence.

Pretty standard stuff.

I had a bad feeling about how you've been trying to paint my votes for captain. It read as you dancing around an opportunity, and trying to find suspicions where there are none. I wanted to see if you'd commit, and go for my lynch before I strike back.

You did. Bad move.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:46 am I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:43 am DrWilgy formally accepts his position on the banana

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:01 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:46 am I kinda think the scum would have been less likely to campaign as captains because it might open them up to being lynched more easily (possibly, idk, that might not be an accurate understanding of the rules) but then again that might be me projecting my own feelings had I been in that position.

Methinks you haven't an accurate understanding of the rules.

The captains either fail their mission, in which case they end up on the poll with their whole team

or

The captains succeed, and pick who from their ship hits the poll

or

The captain gets mutinied...

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am That’s a big load of baloney right there, nova.

1) I danced around nothing. I’ve been direct about what I’ve been seeing. It’s your choice whether to engage in my suspicions of you or not, I don’t have to ask a specific question of you or @mention you to get your attention. That’s a completely arbitrary standard you’ve decided to apply, just to paint me as not genuine.

2) The motivation is clear to me - to control who is on what crew, who’s available for a nk, who’s available for a lynch. I’m far less controllable. If I pick an entirely town crew, and prevent them being lynched, then I get a strong advantage over the mafia. If I pick well, I can effectively prevent myself being nked.

3) You say you saw it coming... I could tell. That’s why you came at me the way you did to begin with. I called you out and instead of addressing my suspicion, you went as hominem - going after my choice of grammar instead of the accusation. There’s nothing much to your reasoning for your votes. Your turn on me was because apparently you liked me early and liked me less later, but you didn’t manage to give a single reason for either of those things. You’ve been waiting for me to vote before you do much of anything, just so you can defend the vote instead of actually engaging in the original suspicion too deeply.

Your response post then is trying to make out like my logic doesn’t track when you’re all over the place.

I particularly like this sentence from yo: “you’re getting too hung up on the captain votes, when I don’t think it should be a priority.” Of course you wouldn’t think it should be a priority if you’re reading it down. But I hate that deeply. If you don’t think the mafia tried to manipulate that vote in some way... we’ll i just don’t believe you.

Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

As for me wanting to be captain - on that one, at least, I’ll admit it’s NAI. I’d want it either way. But I wanted it here because of how badly day zero reeked of manipulation.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:25 am

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am That’s a big load of baloney right there, nova.

1) I danced around nothing. I’ve been direct about what I’ve been seeing. It’s your choice whether to engage in my suspicions of you or not, I don’t have to ask a specific question of you or @mention you to get your attention. That’s a completely arbitrary standard you’ve decided to apply, just to paint me as not genuine.

2) The motivation is clear to me - to control who is on what crew, who’s available for a nk, who’s available for a lynch. I’m far less controllable. If I pick an entirely town crew, and prevent them being lynched, then I get a strong advantage over the mafia. If I pick well, I can effectively prevent myself being nked.

3) You say you saw it coming... I could tell. That’s why you came at me the way you did to begin with. I called you out and instead of addressing my suspicion, you went as hominem - going after my choice of grammar instead of the accusation. There’s nothing much to your reasoning for your votes. Your turn on me was because apparently you liked me early and liked me less later, but you didn’t manage to give a single reason for either of those things. You’ve been waiting for me to vote before you do much of anything, just so you can defend the vote instead of actually engaging in the original suspicion too deeply.

Your response post then is trying to make out like my logic doesn’t track when you’re all over the place.

I particularly like this sentence from yo: “you’re getting too hung up on the captain votes, when I don’t think it should be a priority.” Of course you wouldn’t think it should be a priority if you’re reading it down. But I hate that deeply. If you don’t think the mafia tried to manipulate that vote in some way... we’ll i just don’t believe you.

Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

As for me wanting to be captain - on that one, at least, I’ll admit it’s NAI. I’d want it either way. But I wanted it here because of how badly day zero reeked of manipulation.

1) Oh, you danced around it all right. I engaged your suspicions twice, and you've asked me questions every time. You dropped it every time afterwards. I can't do anything more than that.

2) Nice then riddle me this, why did I not break the tie between you and Glorfindel if you think me and my team were dreading having you as captain? While you're at it, elaborate on my motivation on voting you first, then voting for people with no votes, and finally going with 3 of the 5 tied.

I agree that it's weird but I don't agree that it is suspicious/bad. I think you're being pretty opportunistic trying to paint it as such, that's why I saw this coming after your 2 mentions of my votes.

3) Is explaining my thought process on how I voted, not addressing your suspicions? I would think that is one way to ease them, since you think there are ulterior motives behind them. Nah, I'm not going after your choice of grammar, you're just full of it.

I never said the Mafia never had tried to manipulate the votes, nor elect one of theirs. I said that what I did was in no way some grandiose manipulation, as you'd like to paint it. I think it's pretty dumb to think so.

Lol, yeah sure. The Day Zero mafia manipulation of captain votes, and Nova the bold. Thank god you're here to save us from it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:07 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:53 pm Why don't you guys stop with this stealthy wagon testing and lynch me? Come on, make a glorious DDL D1 lynch. Haven't had one in 2018 yet I think. I wanna see who has the guts for it, because right now you all seem to lack it.

No, you may not campaign for your own lynch unless you refer a replacement to my crew.

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:53 pm Why don't you guys stop with this stealthy wagon testing and lynch me? Come on, make a glorious DDL D1 lynch. Haven't had one in 2018 yet I think. I wanna see who has the guts for it, because right now you all seem to lack it.

You're right, I don't.

I've badgered you plenty, but I've liked your responses. And I like the places you are looking (other than the speedchuck vote).

Then there's this post:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:57 am You know you need a very long break from mafia when people try to lynch you on Day 0 and you feel relieved.

I identify with this all too much. And while a post like this is very easy to make as mafia and is strictly speaking NAI (I mean, the emotion is likely equally real no matter what you are), I think I'd be far more likely to verbalise it if town. It's a kind of 'I don't have to worry about this game OR the impact on my meta' kind of post.

I haven't decided where I want my vote yet, but it's not on you (or glorfindel).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:53 pm Why don't you guys stop with this stealthy wagon testing and lynch me? Come on, make a glorious DDL D1 lynch. Haven't had one in 2018 yet I think. I wanna see who has the guts for it, because right now you all seem to lack it.

im scared

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:14 pm Also, I've been assuming everyone is vanilla - is this not the case?

It doesn't expressly say I'm vanilla on my role card, looking at it again. But it doesn't give me a role power either, just an occupation and a skill that doesn't mean much to me (I assume it will when we get a job). I was perhaps incorrectly assuming everyone was the same. Am I wrong?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:39 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:19 pm I feel like a lot of the ongoing discussions are dead-ends. GTH I don't think DDL is bad, he's just being really clumsy lol. Mac is laying pretty low, but we did just start and I don't think his activity so far is indicative of alignment. Glorfindel is all over sig for what looks like nothing to me but... I remember Glorf's first game, and I believe the talk about his meta. sig has been fine.

Got a funny feeling about speedchuck but he hasn't been around a lot and I don't want to contribute to a possible pile-up. Leaving a placeholder vote on Colin for now for no good reason.

Enrique bad

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:25 am

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:05 am That’s a big load of baloney right there, nova.

1) I danced around nothing. I’ve been direct about what I’ve been seeing. It’s your choice whether to engage in my suspicions of you or not, I don’t have to ask a specific question of you or @mention you to get your attention. That’s a completely arbitrary standard you’ve decided to apply, just to paint me as not genuine.

2) The motivation is clear to me - to control who is on what crew, who’s available for a nk, who’s available for a lynch. I’m far less controllable. If I pick an entirely town crew, and prevent them being lynched, then I get a strong advantage over the mafia. If I pick well, I can effectively prevent myself being nked.

3) You say you saw it coming... I could tell. That’s why you came at me the way you did to begin with. I called you out and instead of addressing my suspicion, you went as hominem - going after my choice of grammar instead of the accusation. There’s nothing much to your reasoning for your votes. Your turn on me was because apparently you liked me early and liked me less later, but you didn’t manage to give a single reason for either of those things. You’ve been waiting for me to vote before you do much of anything, just so you can defend the vote instead of actually engaging in the original suspicion too deeply.

Your response post then is trying to make out like my logic doesn’t track when you’re all over the place.

I particularly like this sentence from yo: “you’re getting too hung up on the captain votes, when I don’t think it should be a priority.” Of course you wouldn’t think it should be a priority if you’re reading it down. But I hate that deeply. If you don’t think the mafia tried to manipulate that vote in some way... we’ll i just don’t believe you.

Day zero and day one is where mafia slip and think they can get away with it. They protect their own, help each other out and pass it off as unimportant. The very fact you set out to overtly break the tie and then did it with absolutely no post history to back it up is part of why I find yours in particular the most suspicious - because what mafia would be so bold, huh? It has its own inherent wifom.

As for me wanting to be captain - on that one, at least, I’ll admit it’s NAI. I’d want it either way. But I wanted it here because of how badly day zero reeked of manipulation.

1) Oh, you danced around it all right. I engaged your suspicions twice, and you've asked me questions every time. You dropped it every time afterwards. I can't do anything more than that.

2) Nice then riddle me this, why did I not break the tie between you and Glorfindel if you think me and my team were dreading having you as captain? While you're at it, elaborate on my motivation on voting you first, then voting for people with no votes, and finally going with 3 of the 5 tied.

I agree that it's weird but I don't agree that it is suspicious/bad. I think you're being pretty opportunistic trying to paint it as such, that's why I saw this coming after your 2 mentions of my votes.

3) Is explaining my thought process on how I voted, not addressing your suspicions? I would think that is one way to ease them, since you think there are ulterior motives behind them. Nah, I'm not going after your choice of grammar, you're just full of it.

I never said the Mafia never had tried to manipulate the votes, nor elect one of theirs. I said that what I did was in no way some grandiose manipulation, as you'd like to paint it. I think it's pretty dumb to think so.

Lol, yeah sure. The Day Zero mafia manipulation of captain votes, and Nova the bold. Thank god you're here to save us from it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:46 am Lunalee do you have any opinions about this game that are not restricted to the crew mechanic?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:11 am Civilians

Glorfindel
Golden
sig
Turnip Head

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:33 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:04 pm DDL keeps doing and saying mad suspicious shit so its like...is he bad or is he bad at being bad.

Dear Captain DharmaHelper, why are you saying stuff like this? Also if you are going to say this stuff, wouldn't it be better and more productive if you proved it? Also, I'm very concerned; it seems you have done 2 scum tells from my perspective, which is a conflict of interest. Please stop being scummy.

Kindest regards,

Owner Of A Lonely Heart, a fellow passenger abroad your

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:28 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:33 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:04 pm DDL keeps doing and saying mad suspicious shit so its like...is he bad or is he bad at being bad.

Dear Captain DharmaHelper, why are you saying stuff like this? Also if you are going to say this stuff, wouldn't it be better and more productive if you proved it? Also, I'm very concerned; it seems you have done 2 scum tells from my perspective, which is a conflict of interest. Please stop being scummy.

Kindest regards,

Owner Of A Lonely Heart, a fellow passenger abroad your

You just did what you think I just did, so I'm not too concerned. Also, I've explained at least once why I find DDL suspicious and several other people have pointed out suspicious shit he's done.

I dunno. Seems like you are reaching a bit here.