Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 1]
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:57 pm
Lol fuck it I'm gonna do the ISO-List gimmick thing and see if I can't go get me a big ol fish.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Hypocrisy is a staple of thr civilian playbookTurnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:07 pm idk how I feel about Sloondog suspecting Luna for essentially having the same suspicion as him but with less waffling. I think a baddie would at least be cognizant of how hypocritical that looks.
I kind of forgot about wolbre, but he was one of the players I was most excited about pre-game. He’s been absent for a bit. [mention]wolbre04[/mention] come in here and say some stuff. Unless you’re driving.
^ it's trudeauSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 pmHypocrisy is a staple of thr civilian playbookTurnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:07 pm idk how I feel about Sloondog suspecting Luna for essentially having the same suspicion as him but with less waffling. I think a baddie would at least be cognizant of how hypocritical that looks.![]()
How do you feel about luna independent of me?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:11 pm^ it's trudeauSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 pmHypocrisy is a staple of thr civilian playbookTurnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:07 pm idk how I feel about Sloondog suspecting Luna for essentially having the same suspicion as him but with less waffling. I think a baddie would at least be cognizant of how hypocritical that looks.![]()
Mac to me just feels like he's going through the motions of Macdougall's meta without any passion. I can't point to anything, I just don't feel like he's done anything substantial yet. It's still early.
What does this mean? Is this a good thing for SVS, or for Luna?I agree with whoever said SVS jumped on Luna.
I feel like Luna was the bloodthirsty one and I support SVS’s case against her. Luna seized on a mounting bandwagon against Colin. SVS targeted a player on her own.
But self-aware-ness is a staple of the mafia playbook.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 pmHypocrisy is a staple of thr civilian playbookTurnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:07 pm idk how I feel about Sloondog suspecting Luna for essentially having the same suspicion as him but with less waffling. I think a baddie would at least be cognizant of how hypocritical that looks.![]()
Hmmmm yeah, I somehow remember this too. SVS being aggro is NAI. Or at least not mafia indicative.timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm So I guess if when sig said bloodthirsty, he meant aggressive, I can sort of see what he is seeing in SVS' posts, she did escalate to a vote against lunalee pretty quickly. Thing is, I remember SVS being like that, taking a stand and landing it firmly, so I'm not seeing a baddie inclination here. Also, SVS has asked several times for people to clarify whether this sounds like civ luna, and no one has responded, which echoes for me back to my last game where I had a lot of new faces to figure out and kept asking for advice on metas.
So I'm not suspecting SVS, but I at least see what sig had noticed.
I can’t imagine playing without a computer. You have my sympathy.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm Just a couple thoughts:
Dana and Nova haven't shown up at all yet as far as I saw. Are there plans for replacement if they don't?
Yeah Bob does seem a little all over the place I'll have to look more into that. Not sure if that's where drwilgys suspicion comes from? from what I can tell all drwilgy did was vote with no explanation and then go away with no explanation. I'm always wary of the random no explanation votes even if just a minimal one.
Also someone asked what valid points there were against sloonei and the genuine comment could be taken as an unnecessary statement but I'm not putting my suspicion on them right now. I see their posting as more stirring things up and getting people talking.
Trying to keep up the best I can with everything lots of people playing this game so much to read. Also I dont own a computer so phone typing is obnoxious sometimes blah.
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:17 pmThere's something specific that led to my vote but I don't want to share yet because I'd rather see how he handles the pressureDharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:
Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.
So far: not great, bob
I think I just find Bob's posts to be confusing. Such as the "his posting" and saying theres specific reasons but not wanting to share. Maybe I'm just reading wrong or not understanding what's being said.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:11 pmYeah, saw him reading the thread and that he hadn't put a vote down yet. Wanted to see if anything had changed.juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pmSo bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pmUpdate: I no longer want to trust team you.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.
Epi, you still feeling DDL?
SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.
Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.
Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).
[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine
Not a fan but it's also hardly damning, and iirc sabie was traveling so not likely to get much right away.
His posting.
My beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
Did you find anyone that stands out as a suspect, even just a little?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:15 pm Nevermind this ISO shit is feeling lame I'm not getting any meat.
I only did like 10 of them but of the 10 I like Cbob as a suspect the most.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmDid you find anyone that stands out as a suspect, even just a little?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:15 pm Nevermind this ISO shit is feeling lame I'm not getting any meat.
Oops yeah I switched those around, I thought you said that about SVS, though I’d still say svs seemed to have been a bit agreessive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmMy beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
SVS, on the other hand, went after a player (Luna) who had no pre-existing suspicion against her. She's creating an entirely new dialogue about Luna, whereas Luna was tacking onto something that was already there. I do not see that as bloodthirsty behavior; there was no blood to be thirsty toward. I am confused by sig's application of that word and concerned that he was misrepresenting things from a dishonest perspective.
This deepens my concern.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pmOops yeah I switched those around, I thought you said that about SVS, though I’d still say svs seemed to have been a bit agreessive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmMy beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
SVS, on the other hand, went after a player (Luna) who had no pre-existing suspicion against her. She's creating an entirely new dialogue about Luna, whereas Luna was tacking onto something that was already there. I do not see that as bloodthirsty behavior; there was no blood to be thirsty toward. I am confused by sig's application of that word and concerned that he was misrepresenting things from a dishonest perspective.
I already said I was skimming and not going to be super focused the first few days so you going after me for a simple mistake is whatever.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:23 pmThis deepens my concern.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pmOops yeah I switched those around, I thought you said that about SVS, though I’d still say svs seemed to have been a bit agreessive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmMy beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
SVS, on the other hand, went after a player (Luna) who had no pre-existing suspicion against her. She's creating an entirely new dialogue about Luna, whereas Luna was tacking onto something that was already there. I do not see that as bloodthirsty behavior; there was no blood to be thirsty toward. I am confused by sig's application of that word and concerned that he was misrepresenting things from a dishonest perspective.
It gives the impression that you were simply seeking to agree with a suspicion somebody had put forward, any suspicion, without checking it out for yourself.
Let's flesh that read out some more then. What are the biggest points against him?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:20 pmI only did like 10 of them but of the 10 I like Cbob as a suspect the most.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmDid you find anyone that stands out as a suspect, even just a little?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:15 pm Nevermind this ISO shit is feeling lame I'm not getting any meat.
I still do not like it. It reads as bloodthirsty.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:24 pmI already said I was skimming and not going to be super focused the first few days so you going after me for a simple mistake is whatever.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:23 pmThis deepens my concern.sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pmOops yeah I switched those around, I thought you said that about SVS, though I’d still say svs seemed to have been a bit agreessive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmMy beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
SVS, on the other hand, went after a player (Luna) who had no pre-existing suspicion against her. She's creating an entirely new dialogue about Luna, whereas Luna was tacking onto something that was already there. I do not see that as bloodthirsty behavior; there was no blood to be thirsty toward. I am confused by sig's application of that word and concerned that he was misrepresenting things from a dishonest perspective.
It gives the impression that you were simply seeking to agree with a suspicion somebody had put forward, any suspicion, without checking it out for yourself.![]()
Can you sort of reset this ? How did you first notice thur posts of Svs and Luna, and where did your thoughts kind of start being?sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pmOops yeah I switched those around, I thought you said that about SVS, though I’d still say svs seemed to have been a bit agreessive.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:19 pmMy beef with sig's "bloodthirsty" descriptor for SVS is that SVS wasn't really in a position to be bloodthirsty. I used the same word to describe Luna for her part in this exchange. Luna was latching onto an established bandwagon (Colin), so her behavior struck me as bloodthirsty because it could be opportunistic, supplying momentum to a vulnerable player.
SVS, on the other hand, went after a player (Luna) who had no pre-existing suspicion against her. She's creating an entirely new dialogue about Luna, whereas Luna was tacking onto something that was already there. I do not see that as bloodthirsty behavior; there was no blood to be thirsty toward. I am confused by sig's application of that word and concerned that he was misrepresenting things from a dishonest perspective.
I'm quoting Juliets but addressing both Juliets and Sloonei
So I was saying that about SVS, Luna’s action seem normal or st least not bad. While SVS seemed to have been using Luna’s suspicion of Colin to place a vote.
I think you and I are equally confused, lol. I need sig to sort of start over and explain his thoughts from the start.
Thanks DH I'll ISO him.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:33 pmI'm quoting Juliets but addressing both Juliets and Sloonei
I sorta covered it in my ISO of Cbob but his Colin vote is sketchy and I don't like his sort of pokey/proding posts RE: Sabie and some others.
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pmUpdate: I no longer want to trust team you.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.
Epi, you still feeling DDL?
SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.
Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.
Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).
[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.
Epi, you still feeling DDL?
SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.
Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.
I think these are the relevant posts to DH's cbob suspicion. Can you tell me what you see that's suspicious, [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]? He doesn't explain the Colin vote, perhaps [mention]colonialbob[/mention] should do that. I can't say I have a problem with him questioning sabie. I notice that there are two separate instances of him being mildly critical of sabie, which could be alarming in certain circumstances. I don't know that this fits any of those though.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:06 amWhat are the valid points you see?sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:15 am I do see some valid points on the case against sloonei but I also can see that as a playstyle thing. It's been awhile since I've been here but I know sometimes people just go in guns blazing and start accusing people and get the conversation going. It's not my thing but some people are good at that.
Also just wondering why if someone is a top poster they shouldn't be voted for. Just in the sense that they do get people talking and a conversation happening?