I am finding this game tremendously entertaining, and exactly the wind down I was looking for.
How you feeling?
I’m looking forward to losing this game in f5 too
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:19 am
by tedxtr
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:36 am
It is strange that ted had no opinion of your vote on me and you say that this has all happened before in a previous game involving you and him specifically
Why is it strange? What would you have expected me to say, if anything?
It's because I smell like lavendar and bathe in honey
Silky smooth skin, etc. What's not to townread?
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am
by Justplayingitcool
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am
Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy
*ahem*
Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.
Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am
Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy
*ahem*
Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.
Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.
I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:29 am
by tedxtr
Tim - I don't really know what to say about Odd's vote on you. His first half of the ISO looked fine but I'm trying to poke into his thought process because it seemed like he tried to pull a switcheroo for something that I am not really getting.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:30 am
by tutuu
uh lol, he's, like, roleplaying as a beginner wolf who admits hes a wolf and reading from the wolfing guide on how to help himself wolf, he isnt referencing the guide in the sense of "i am town and im gonna use the article to hunt"
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:31 am
by Alison
tutuu is town so I'm trying to take her townread on ted seriously but it's so difficult when he keeps making posts like this
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:32 am
by tedxtr
I guess gth I didn't think of Odd's vote as scum indicative as you're trying to compare to my vote on you, even though that seems like a flawed argument in the first place.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:32 am
by tutuu
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:31 am
tutuu is town so I'm trying to take her townread on ted seriously but it's so difficult when he keeps making posts like this
you dont need to sheep my reads, ive proven game after game my reads are pretty rand
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 am
by tedxtr
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:31 am
tutuu is town so I'm trying to take her townread on ted seriously but it's so difficult when he keeps making posts like this
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 am
by Alison
Hmm, now I'm interested how far my reads are from rand. This is a low sample size but I'll just start with all my Syndicate town games and see.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 am
by tedxtr
guess I found him
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 am
by DrWilgy
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:26 am
I am 17% too town right now for the town to win this game.
Hey @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you're mafia.
I take back my 10% on you as I agree on this.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 am
by Alison
It's actually surprisingly difficult because reads evolve throughout the game so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take my reads at the end of the game (which would be skewed because less players = more chance of being right by default) or my Day 1 reads (which would be skewed because it doesn't take into account my progression throughout the game).
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 am
by tutuu
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 am
Hmm, now I'm interested how far my reads are from rand. This is a low sample size but I'll just start with all my Syndicate town games and see.
would be a lot of effort since reads naturally change over time so there are many different ways u can score yourself
maybe "last given read given on a person before that person was flipped" could be a decent criteria, dunno
or just "last given reads on day 1"
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:38 am
by tutuu
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 am
It's actually surprisingly difficult because reads evolve throughout the game so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take my reads at the end of the game (which would be skewed because less players = more chance of being right by default) or my Day 1 reads (which would be skewed because it doesn't take into account my progression throughout the game).
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:01 am
Dammit. Dad-Joe-Mac is 10% more likely to be bad than anyone else at the moment.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:10 am
Awww. Damn Joseph is just obvious Innocent Child imo. Holy heck how can someome be so towny so fast? I legit couldnt believe it
You guys seem to be diametrically opposed on a subject right now. Perhaps you should talk about that.
LMAOOOO god i love u
Tutuu god told us to fight. Where is our battle going to take place?
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:01 am
Dammit. Dad-Joe-Mac is 10% more likely to be bad than anyone else at the moment.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:10 am
Awww. Damn Joseph is just obvious Innocent Child imo. Holy heck how can someome be so towny so fast? I legit couldnt believe it
You guys seem to be diametrically opposed on a subject right now. Perhaps you should talk about that.
LMAOOOO god i love u
Tutuu god told us to fight. Where is our battle going to take place?
hes not my god
my god is jesus christ who wrote the bible
we can spar any time if u want
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 am
by Dyslexicon
13 pages.
OHELLNO.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:42 am
by DrWilgy
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 am
13 pages.
OHELLNO.
Lmao this. I thought "oh boi I'm actually going to try to content this game as that seems to be one of my weaknesses."
Now I'm about to give up on that.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:42 am
by Dyslexicon
Tutu top poster. Tutu town. Tutu vote Fallen. I vote Fallen.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 am
13 pages.
OHELLNO.
Lmao this. I thought "oh boi I'm actually going to try to content this game as that seems to be one of my weaknesses."
Now I'm about to give up on that.
Like, I literally can't. Good luck, all. =p
Cut the kids in half!
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:43 am
by tutuu
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:42 am
Tutu top poster. Tutu town. Tutu vote Fallen. I vote Fallen.
Gg. I'm a champs player.
[VOTE:
Fallen Prince] aubergine
lmfao ily. ur hilarious
tutu town. tutu vote fallen. unfortunately this means fallen flip town. but thats life
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am
by DrWilgy
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
Lol tutuu is actually scum.
That's Nanook and Tutuu down.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am
by DrWilgy
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:42 am
Tutu top poster. Tutu town. Tutu vote Fallen. I vote Fallen.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
Lol tutuu is actually scum.
That's Nanook and Tutuu down.
read the rest of my posts then or something, dunno! im town, sorry!
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
Lol tutuu is actually scum.
That's Nanook and Tutuu down.
read the rest of my posts then or something, dunno! im town, sorry!
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:33 am
So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:
a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments
Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.
idk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to me
I know certain players that would 3p coast forever. I agree with Dad here.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:33 am
So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:
a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments
Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.
idk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to me
I know certain players that would 3p coast forever. I agree with Dad here.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:26 am
I am 17% too town right now for the town to win this game.
Hey @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you're mafia.
I wish that would be dope, I could sit in scum chat and meme all game
Instead I have to meme with you fuckers instead until I get miskilled
You're mafia because you are more at risk of endgaming as town than getting miskilled and you know it
Ugh that’s true lately, I fucking hate it
Remember when I used to bitch about never making it to endgame as town
I miss that
If I die before endgame its because scum are afraid of my increasing power as a game goes on. Can't have me hit my final form.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:04 am
by tedxtr
Wilgy - how did your Mac read evolve? Are you town reading him now?
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:06 am
by DrWilgy
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:23 am
I'm going to pull a JJJ and try to solve this game by purely finding town and forcing out the scum through process of eliination. This isn't a strategy I think is great every game, but in this case we have like 5 or 6 inno children who revealed in the first 5 pages, so I think it makes the most sense here.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:07 am
by DrWilgy
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:04 am
Wilgy - how did your Mac read evolve? Are you town reading him now?
I'm townreading him. His ability to turn RVS/Meme phase is an exceptional skill that I'm quite envious of. Even if he's not town the momentum his content brings means we should keep him around.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:08 am
by tedxtr
fair enough
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:18 am
by tedxtr
The closest wagon to hitting a wolf is probably jpic at the moment based off what I'm reading in thread and I don't even know if that means too much, as in, he could still be a town but at least the reasoning for him looks the best out of everything that has been listed in thread as a scum lean, which is a pretty low bar to beat.
I didn't pay as much attention at first because I just steam roll gifs and not think that much about the game D1 but I'll prolly do a re-read at one point in case the game is still as unreadable tomorrow morning and I'll force myself to take stances.
I generally tend to pick on stuff here and there but everyone feels about rand.
Prioritise getting info out of dya / nutella / hally when they're here please, there are about 2-3 slots that have not talked at all and plenty others that haven't gotten out of RVS yet which is a bad atmosphere to start the hunting from because you're forcing yourself to hunt in a select pool of people when 10 others haven't even posted AI content.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:27 am
by ColinIsCool
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:27 am
by ColinIsCool
My name is Colin and my back hurts
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:29 am
by Alison
(Offtopic, but probably can't post outside of this thread since OGI)
In case anyone is interested about my read stats off the last 4 games:
Metric: last given reads on a person before they died, under the logic that getting there on someone late is pretty good still, like if two townies quarrel the whole game and then find each other right at F3 it's still a win for town.
Jack Attack
Funnygurl SCUM - wrong
nanook TOWN - correct
Pawn Lelouch/sprityo SCUM - correct
Hally TOWN - correct
Colin SCUM - wrong
JJJ SCUM - wrong
Epignosis SCUM - correct
Spacedaisy TOWN - correct
KitsuShel TOWN - very correct
Wisp TOWN - wrong (I had the solve on Wisp early on but was swayed away by a combination of "trust me Wisp is town" reads by people I trusted and a fake mech clear)
LC SCUM - wrong (I read LC scum before he was cleared, so it counts as a wrong read even if I believed the clear by D2)
sabie12 TOWN - correct
I had 5 correct townreads, 1 incorrect townread (although that was influenced by mech shenanigans), which is 83% accuracy. A random townread on someone has a 12/15 chance of being correct, or 80%, which makes my townreads this game 3% above rand.
I had 2 correct scumreads, 3 incorrect scumreads, which is 40% accuracy. A random scumread on someone has a 3/15 chance of being correct, or 20%, which makes my scumreads this game 20% above rand.
Lion King
nanook SCUM - wrong
Scirrus TOWN - correct
proto TOWN - correct
tutuu TOWN - correct
Lavender SCUM - wrong
Michelle SCUM - wrong (this one is a bit weird - I started with a scumread on Michelle, flipped around to her town, then flipped to her scum again because of gamestate reasons that turned out to be inaccurate. For the sake of fairness I'll mark it as wrong because I was wrong about her several times throughout the game and wrong about her when it counted)
1612 SCUM(?) - correct (I voted Lavender over 1612 when it counted, but I also thought 1612 was scummy a lot of the time and had him at bottom POE, so I guess I'll consider it a correct scumread)
cobbler/ted/Carotte TOWN - wrong (I townread this slot most of the game and only started suspecting it when the POE was too narrow and it was too late)
Dyslexicon TOWN - wrong
jeraldoo/speedchuck SCUM - correct
MP7 TOWN - correct
Urist SCUM - wrong (this one is amusing because I scumread him half the game but also refused to vote him because of mech reasons, but to be absolutely fair it was definitely a wrong scumread)
I had 4 correct townreads, 1 wrong townread, which is 80% accuracy. A random townread on someone has a 10/13 chance of being correct, or 77%, which makes my townreads this game 3% above rand.
I had 2 correct scumreads, 4 wrong scumreads, which is 33% accuracy. A random scumread on someone has a 3/13 chance of being correct, or 23%, which makes my scumreads this game 10% above rand.
Philosopher's Mafia
KZA SCUM - correct
Master Radishes SCUM - correct
Colonialbob SCUM - correct
Timsup2nothin TOWN - correct
Dyslexicon SCUM(?) - wrong (I never really pushed the Dizzy read hard but they did nothing for most of the game and it was down to POE clearing so I just said okay kill them, which I think counts as a scumread in this context)
Benson SCUM - wrong
Colin SCUM - wrong
proto TOWN - correct
Werewolf Hunter TOWN - correct
nutella TOWN - correct
Amy TOWN - correct
Hally SCUM - wrong (bad tunnel by me)
nanook TOWN - wrong
tutuu TOWN - correct
I'm leaving LC out since it's unclear whether he was town or scum given the nature of his 3P role, and I also don't rememember having a strong read on him anyway.
I had 6 correct townreads and 1 wrong townread (who, in fairness, was a deepwolf who hard bussed one buddy and vigged the other) this game, which is 86% accuracy. A random townread on someone has a 12/16 chance of being correct, or 75%, which makes my townreads this game 11% above rand.
I had 3 correct scumreads and 4 wrong scumreads this game, which is 43% accuracy. A random scumread on someone has a 4/16 chance of being correct, or 25%, which makes my scumreads this game 18% above rand.
Amdibals at the Zoo
tedxtr SCUM - correct (I'm going to say I had ted as scum here because I had him marked down as a slanker all game and he was perpetually in my POE especially near endgame. But I also had a bit where I thought he was town after a burst of posting, so you're welcome to see this however you want and adjust the numbers accordingly)
Carotenoid TOWN - wrong (I had Carotte at the start, but was swayed away, and only realized she was scum too late. I had her in my 3-person POE at the end of the penultimate day, but I think that was too late too because we ended up exeing Wilgy.)
ColinIsCool TOWN - correct
nanook TOWN - correct (took me a while to get there, but I got there when it counted. We wouldn't have had a shot at winning if I hadn't listened to Mac and realized nanook was town.)
112 SCUM - correct
nutella TOWN - correct
Urist SCUM - wrong (it turns out me and Urist are not good at reading each other)
Amy TOWN - correct
TonyStarkPrime SCUM - wrong
tutuu TOWN - correct (I was scumreading tutuu most of the game but I think I got there when it counted. This is another "your mileage may vary" read so feel free to adjust the numbers etc. if you disagree that I read tutuu town)
10K/LC SCUM - wrong
MacDougall TOWN - correct
TH/Wilgy SCUM - wrong
proto TOWN - correct
I had 7 correct townreads and 1 wrong townread this game, which is 88% accuracy. A random townread on someone has a 12/15 chance of being correct, or 80%, which makes my townreads this game 8% above rand.
I had 2 correct scumreads and 4 wrong scumreads this game, which is 33% accuracy. A random scumread on someone has a 3/15 chance of being correct, or 20%, which makes my scumreads this game 13% above rand.
On average, my townreads were [3 + 3 + 11 + 8] / 4 = 6.25% above rand.
On average, my scumreads were [20 + 10 + 18 + 13] / 4 = 15.25% above rand.
This makes my average read [3 + 3 + 11 + 8 + 20 + 10 + 18 + 13] = 10.75% above rand.
Note: I rounded off the percentages, but please allow room for 1% adjustment of all given percentages either way because of rounding errors.
Note: Sample size is four and there was some uncertainty in deciding whether a read is correct or wrong - treat the concluding numbers as a rough estimate, not a mathematical truth.
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:32 am
by tutuu
lmfao
iight ali sure. ill do mine too. lets measure our .... pencils
Re: Radiohead Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:33 am
by Alison
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:18 am
The closest wagon to hitting a wolf is probably jpic at the moment based off what I'm reading in thread and I don't even know if that means too much, as in, he could still be a town but at least the reasoning for him looks the best out of everything that has been listed in thread as a scum lean, which is a pretty low bar to beat.
I didn't pay as much attention at first because I just steam roll gifs and not think that much about the game D1 but I'll prolly do a re-read at one point in case the game is still as unreadable tomorrow morning and I'll force myself to take stances.
I generally tend to pick on stuff here and there but everyone feels about rand.
Prioritise getting info out of dya / nutella / hally when they're here please, there are about 2-3 slots that have not talked at all and plenty others that haven't gotten out of RVS yet which is a bad atmosphere to start the hunting from because you're forcing yourself to hunt in a select pool of people when 10 others haven't even posted AI content.
Agree with the last paragraph, but nutella and Hally don't really slank so I'm confident that they'll produce content of their own accord. We can talk about this again if it's a day phase or two down the road and they're still AWOL.
Why JPIC and not sprityo? What is your read on sprityo/the pair of them together? (I posited above that they're probably V/W because they have too much scum equity combined to both be completely innocent, but that the interaction between them makes it unlikely to be W/W.)
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:04 am
Wilgy - how did your Mac read evolve? Are you town reading him now?
I'm townreading him. His ability to turn RVS/Meme phase is an exceptional skill that I'm quite envious of. Even if he's not town the momentum his content brings means we should keep him around.
Mac's secret to transitioning from RVS into the real game (do not open):
