Re: Bread Mafia [Day 0]
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am
so you're just going to copy other people's reads?
that's the sneaky part. I don't think that towncore is a bad idea generally. Where the manufactored consent is coming from for me is in the concensus that a towncore exist this game, where it's seemly like there isn't one.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:53 am the thing that bothers me about made's issue with the "towncore" is that it feels like a half-finished thought
~if~ made believes that the towncore is coming from a place of manufactured consent, it logically follows that multiple people approving of the town-core are mafia
but i don't see much intent on their part to figure out who would be disingenuously supporting the towncore - it feels like a broad complaint that puts a lot of peoples alignment into question without getting into specifics
Jay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
If this is directed at me - yes. I am town and I am going to copy some reads. Problem?
I deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
to me, it feels like the base core of: alison/nutella/nanook are in the majority of everyones towncore. it's likely that everyone has a different "towncore" past that point - but there are a few base strong townreads that seem to be shared by the majority of people who've posted so farMade wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 amthat's the sneaky part. I don't think that towncore is a bad idea generally. Where the manufactored consent is coming from for me is in the concensus that a towncore exist this game, where it's seemly like there isn't one.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:53 am the thing that bothers me about made's issue with the "towncore" is that it feels like a half-finished thought
~if~ made believes that the towncore is coming from a place of manufactured consent, it logically follows that multiple people approving of the town-core are mafia
but i don't see much intent on their part to figure out who would be disingenuously supporting the towncore - it feels like a broad complaint that puts a lot of peoples alignment into question without getting into specifics
like if everyone has their own different towncore, there is no towncore.
I think the maliciousness comes from assuming there is one.
Is anyone following my line of reasoning at least?
Why are you salty about grasslandstutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:01 amI deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
this is the best way
I deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:02 amWhy are you salty about grasslandstutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:01 amI deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
We won
You say that like it’s a bad thing
Are you serioustutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:03 amI deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:02 amWhy are you salty about grasslandstutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:01 amI deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
We won
I get that. it's about consolidating around trust.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:57 amThey don't even have to. Not everyone in the towncore has to share the exact same reads. It's about a critical mass of trust coming into play. Sure, I may not have a solid reason to trust X personally, but I don't have any particular suspicion on them, and I trust Y and Z greatly, and Y and Z both trust X. So I extend trust to X as a result of that, and take them out of the POE. I don't need to directly townread everyone else in the towncore so much as I do need to not scumread them and trust that my actual townreads can read them.
You are the one calling me salty over it. That's your own interpretation. What I'm saying is that I don't trust nutella to read spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 amAre you serioustutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:03 amI deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:02 amWhy are you salty about grasslandstutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:01 amI deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
We won
We won the game let it go
It wasn't rude, don't wory.EllieDelight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:07 am idk i always felt like copying other people's reads is scummy. obviously im wrong. so im sorry tutuu, that was needlessly rude. my bad.
I mean I think there's significant overlapMade wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:08 amI get that. it's about consolidating around trust.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:57 amThey don't even have to. Not everyone in the towncore has to share the exact same reads. It's about a critical mass of trust coming into play. Sure, I may not have a solid reason to trust X personally, but I don't have any particular suspicion on them, and I trust Y and Z greatly, and Y and Z both trust X. So I extend trust to X as a result of that, and take them out of the POE. I don't need to directly townread everyone else in the towncore so much as I do need to not scumread them and trust that my actual townreads can read them.
but like there doesn't seem to be much if any overlap, unless you define towncore to be a process where trust is defined implicitly: Where the people who are trusted the most trust the reads of the people they trust most and a PoE appears organically, but that doesn't not sound like what towncore is.
towncore from my understanding is an explict list of players who town trust. sure, the list isn't going to be the same exact for all players-- one person off here one person off there-- but what it feels like you're describing here as a towncore is a town daisychain.
I think the difference there is less than just semantic
Ktutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:17 amYou are the one calling me salty over it. That's your own interpretation. What I'm saying is that I don't trust nutella to read spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 amAre you serioustutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:03 amI deserved to be determined the most towny player on day 1 and not spf.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:02 amWhy are you salty about grasslandstutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:01 amI deserved to get put in the treehouse in n1 in Grassland. That memory is fresh in my mind. I don't trust nutella to read spf. I will consider trusting her on Jay.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:00 amJay and Nutella can read spftutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:59 am I am going to trust Eso to read Ellie.
I am going to trust nutella to read Long Con.
I am going to trust Nanook to read MacDougall.
I have no reliable method of reading Grog or spf or JJJ and I wish I did. I think I can get around to Made on my own. I dunno who am I missing.
Nutella and Mac can read jay
We won
We won the game let it go
Hi
enlighten me, show me the way
this theory spins my headstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:23 amdid the tone of that post from made ping you at all? it bothered me in the sense that made was outing three distinct thoughts (a reaction to tutuu, a read on you, a general comment on the game), but they were meshed together in a way that gave me the vibe that made felt uncomfortable/nervousJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:13 am Made accused me of being too helpful. that's one of those reads that happens a lot but i don't recall seeing much of it from mafia-aligned people. it's the most basic "my distrustful instincts have been triggered by your kindness" sort of perspective that town people uniquely have.
this is a tell i've noticed that scum tend to do in the beginning of games recently, but i don't know how to fully explain it so i might just be crazy talking
:raises hand:
me too tbh, don't tell anyone, let it be our secret
i will keep this in mind
i finally rand scum with Made, and you had to find out
are you pocketing Nanook?
i do if i have a team i like to play with and I can teamwork with them
i can believe this
i will use it, sorry for that
+1
then you forgot about caution
i have a manga ava, that counts as anime for you? Just asking
I don't think me answering this question would be helpful at all.
yea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, sostaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:42 am michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting
do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?
do you mind sharing a few of the initial reads u have right now? they dont need to be fleshed out, i just wanna hear where you're atMichelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:56 amyea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, sostaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:42 am michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting
do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind
where Nut wants to burn le petit pain au chocolat
what if it's a reaction test?
and that means?
last person who said game is easy was wolfing
is day 0 and you have a complete Poe, you are something else
whaddaya mean?tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:56 am @Alison I read your posts again.
Once again the only thing that stands out to me is what I perceived as towny due to your post being illogical fmpov. Carry on doing your thing and hopefully I can end up reading you correctly.
Sorry if you felt slighted that I was ignoring you - it is not a sign of me liking you less, I never stopped liking you.
noted :y:NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:57 am I’m currently also TRing Michelle and omega
Not locked yet tho
you're repeating this, why?
Another post who's world building, and this time making associations..
what about your Poe sir?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:00 am i'm pretty much in lockstep with Alison. i am not invested in my Made read so go ahead and POE 'em
i like this question, even if until now I didn't find anything AI from SPFstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:01 am alison what made u go from scumleaning me to townreading me? the progression was pretty swift
why so self conscious, is this something you're always doing mate?Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:02 amall gut reads, but like...there actually might not be..
I'm incline to townlean all members of the AAA, beside tutuu who i read as null.
(playing to meta ain't alignment indicative even tho playing against it often is)
linki: ur probably going to find this really sus then
and he wasn't referring at that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:02 am when made called me helpful i thought he was referring to me answering new people's questions about how to vote and subscribe to the thread
a baddie in 4 is a normal town/mafia ratio, idk why you pointd this out @Made, now that I am thinking again at it.Made wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:04 amJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:03 amwithout looking as fast as you can, please tell me who has an anime avatar in this gameMade wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:02 amall gut reads, but like...there actually might not be..
I'm incline to townlean all members of the AAA, beside tutuu who i read as null.
(playing to meta ain't alignment indicative even tho playing against it often is)
linki: ur probably going to find this really sus theneboo
alison
tutuu
superbest friend...
i think that's it? i feel like there was a 5th
some unbaked thoughts:staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:58 amdo you mind sharing a few of the initial reads u have right now? they dont need to be fleshed out, i just wanna hear where you're atMichelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:56 amyea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, sostaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:42 am michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting
do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind
Any past games I could have a look at?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:23 amI don't think me answering this question would be helpful at all.
1) I never read myself, so I'm no expert in that department.
2) Anything I say about myself could be manipulated or lied about