The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:42 am I'm not sure what it means that neither Invictus nor fingersplints had anything to say about me copy-pasting a response to their suspicions.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:42 am I'm not sure what it means that neither Invictus nor fingersplints had anything to say about me copy-pasting a response to their suspicions.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:55 am I mean Fingersplints, hmm.
@TonyStarkPrime
Better look into them, watch them with me and here they good wolf.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:50 amFalcon isn’t in my town reads and therefore is a good chop.

Honestly, I’m just gonna take marmots word for it that if your town it’s self resolving due to how good he says you are.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:51 amWell I WAS.
As a placeholder till I set a real vote of which I did.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:21 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:13 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:18 am @Gavial Why on earth are you sleeping Alison on yourself?

I’m not.
I’m sheeping Alison on myself.
And saying it how you did is quite a naughty way to think eh?

I blame auto correct!

But yes, you understand the question, don't you? Can you answer this - why are you sheeping Alison on yourself?

Well I WAS.
As a placeholder till I set a real vote of which I did.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:22 pm I'm not sure I fully understand the falcon wagon. Is it Poe or did they do something?

I'll iso when I'm on a laptop

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:27 am So there should be like 8-9 hours before day end, yes?

I'm heading out the door just now, but I'll be around at day end and in good time before.

I'm not clear on what @fingersplints suspicion on Koba is. To me it looks like more personality clash. If this is not the case, I would love a recap of why that is the vote.

I don't remember why anyone who's voting Falcon is. I think Koba voted him in relation to Falcon jumping on the Koba wagon, but that's it.

@Alison Where are you? Weren't you complaining about no solving and no content?

@hollowkatt Are you happy with your Invictus vote? If so, how are you going to convince us that he's scum here?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'm inferring that your vote on Tony is both game plow and lack of town read. If there's more to it, please share?

In general, we need to come together and make a decision here. I'm on Long Con now. He doesn't have that much content. I'm not married to my vote. Does anyone have good suggestions, who is the most likely to flip scum, why?

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

i missed this. what is the strategy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:06 am I have been thinking about Hollow. I mildly expected him to be more resistant to votes and pushing, as either alignment really. He tends to be more aggressive and loud in my experience. This relative apathy is [a thing that I think about]. I could read it multiple ways, but it's not scummy in itself. What I do feel is that he's given very few actual stances that shows he's deeply solving or perhaps just shows that he has any reads he's convinced of. I'd really like to see more solving from @hollowkatt

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:04 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:57 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.

This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC. He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.

yes this is it.

essentially town points are a thing. if youre in the thread and you do stuff that makes you towny then TOWN POINTS. obviously scum can do towny things too, but generally speaking if a bunch of people are looking towny and some people have been around and just haven't then i think it's best to remove from there as it helps with POE because eventually those towny points lead to people just being lock town and making the game easy to solve.

there is no real big case or anything, it's just the best move for POE and the read itself comes from POE.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:06 am I have been thinking about Hollow. I mildly expected him to be more resistant to votes and pushing, as either alignment really. He tends to be more aggressive and loud in my experience. This relative apathy is [a thing that I think about]. I could read it multiple ways, but it's not scummy in itself. What I do feel is that he's given very few actual stances that shows he's deeply solving or perhaps just shows that he has any reads he's convinced of. I'd really like to see more solving from @hollowkatt

my last game on MU taught me being a tryhard and investing energy into a game is dumb. My last couple games here, and an off-site game on TheOrg are more indicative of my style now. I'll get around to some solving.. eventually

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 am Idk if I should be concerned or happy with the amount of overlap I have with dizzy as it could mean we're on the PERFECT TRACK or on the PEEFECT TRACK TO DOOM.

Still waiting for one more town tell from him to be completely certain

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:06 am I have been thinking about Hollow. I mildly expected him to be more resistant to votes and pushing, as either alignment really. He tends to be more aggressive and loud in my experience. This relative apathy is [a thing that I think about]. I could read it multiple ways, but it's not scummy in itself. What I do feel is that he's given very few actual stances that shows he's deeply solving or perhaps just shows that he has any reads he's convinced of. I'd really like to see more solving from @hollowkatt

my last game on MU taught me being a tryhard and investing energy into a game is dumb. My last couple games here, and an off-site game on TheOrg are more indicative of my style now. I'll get around to some solving.. eventually

Best strategy is to not give a shit daystart and let the tryhard come naturally when you're inspired to IMO(both alignments)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:07 am im about to go to bed, but will be somewhat around before the deadline tomorrow. if u have any burning questions for me, i would ask them now

what do your current reads look like, SPF?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:07 am im about to go to bed, but will be somewhat around before the deadline tomorrow. if u have any burning questions for me, i would ask them now

what do your current reads look like, SPF?

thanks for asking! i feel fairly strongly about fingersplints being a villager but it's more of a soulread than anything else - there is a level of sincerity/comfort in her posting that i find it difficult to believe that she would have as a wofl. my understanding is that dizzy has a very good wolf game, but i townread him as well - he has mindmelded with me at multiple points throughout the game with regards to our perspective and the stuff that we're interested in pursuing, and i like that he has an equally strong soulread on fingersplints

i still townlean invictius, even though i feel that his playstyle is one that i might be inclined to townread regardless of his alignment. i would GTH lean on nanook and koba being town - at least to the extent that i am not interested in chopping either of them today. i think that long con had exactly one (1) villagery post, so i'm not inspired by his wagon, but i'm not at a level where i feel comfortable defending or shielding him

i was lightly pinged by a couple of falcon's posts. i have been pinged by HK's posts too, but i'm holding my breath on that read because i think that HK has the capacity to make himself very obviously town if he actually is a villager. i have very little to say about alison, gavial, marmot, or tonystarkprime (i thought tsp's opening posts were villagery, but i need more for that to develop into a real townread.)

i wanted to explain these reads more, but i can barely keep my eyes open

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:17 am Fingers is a strong town read for me.

Invictus is a town read for me. We're on the same wavelength.

Gavial is weird as hell, and his thoughts makes no sense to me, but he's probably town ??? Others who knows him better should chime in on this.

SPF has a good direction. Funnily enough, the more she posts, the less certain I am that she's town. But her direction seems not bad at least.

DkK is a town read for me as well. How they self meta'd and said something like "Learn to read my play style. This is actually lean town imo (but I'm biased)" is exactly how I feel and how I phrase things a lot as town when I feel misunderstood. His annoyance towards Nanook is also towny to me.

Marmot gave me a few town vibes. Probably nothing substantial, but not really where I'm interested to vote.

Falcon haven't said much. I haven't been pinged by any of his posts thought.

Hollow, I guess could go either way. But honestly, the lack of trying to "get someone" could indicate that he's town ???

Nanook is nanook is nanook is actually probably fine. The reason is that I feel his answers has a feel of "Actually, my play is a good enough town play" instead of "I am going to be nanook". Don't know if that makes sense to anyone.

Which leaves Alison, LC and Tony. Had some early town vibes on Tony which doesn't hold up at all for me right now. But I haven't seen him do anything scummy. Alison, I can't really read. But I don't have a reason to think them town. I actually thought her early Gavial accusation was kind of weird. LC has hardly made an impact, and from memory, he usually vibes town to me when he is.

So this is probably too many town reads, mild and not so mild. And it could of course be off. I'm not totally convinced of anything tbh, except Finger's is probably my strongest town read actually.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

So I guess:

Strong town: Fingers
Town: Invictus, DdK
Probably town: Spf, Gavial
Mild town: Marmot, Nanook
Meh but not scummy perhaps: Falcon, Hollow, Tony
Meh: Alison, LC


For now.

Can we do Falcon instead of LC?
I have a clear on them based on their Koba response.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:59 am Not saying I’m IC, just wondering if I’d get that TR in that situation from yeah.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:27 am So there should be like 8-9 hours before day end, yes?

I'm heading out the door just now, but I'll be around at day end and in good time before.

I'm not clear on what @fingersplints suspicion on Koba is. To me it looks like more personality clash. If this is not the case, I would love a recap of why that is the vote.

I don't remember why anyone who's voting Falcon is. I think Koba voted him in relation to Falcon jumping on the Koba wagon, but that's it.

@Alison Where are you? Weren't you complaining about no solving and no content?

@hollowkatt Are you happy with your Invictus vote? If so, how are you going to convince us that he's scum here?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'm inferring that your vote on Tony is both game plow and lack of town read. If there's more to it, please share?

In general, we need to come together and make a decision here. I'm on Long Con now. He doesn't have that much content. I'm not married to my vote. Does anyone have good suggestions, who is the most likely to flip scum, why?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

I agree with this.
We should be putting Nanook upside on a tree with his underpants sticking out.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

i missed this. what is the strategy

Its not a strategy moreso i saw firsthand that alison has been active in scumthread when townies were fightjng eachother when we were scum together in bread mafia. Tutuu and i actually warned her to turn off thread visibility bc she was visible online while being asked a question she wanted to dodge lmao

I also was guilty of this as scum that game bc i was happy watching town fight eachother while i got free townreads from ppl ignorant of my meta thinking i was towny.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:59 am Not saying I’m IC, just wondering if I’d get that TR in that situation from yeah.

if you were revealed as IC you'd get town read b/c you're revealed as IC

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:06 am I have been thinking about Hollow. I mildly expected him to be more resistant to votes and pushing, as either alignment really. He tends to be more aggressive and loud in my experience. This relative apathy is [a thing that I think about]. I could read it multiple ways, but it's not scummy in itself. What I do feel is that he's given very few actual stances that shows he's deeply solving or perhaps just shows that he has any reads he's convinced of. I'd really like to see more solving from @hollowkatt

What happened in the mu game? I'm not sure there's ever a good reason for that lesson. People can be bad at mafia and lynch you when they shouldn't for particularly poor reasons but that doesn't exactly justify trying less.

my last game on MU taught me being a tryhard and investing energy into a game is dumb. My last couple games here, and an off-site game on TheOrg are more indicative of my style now. I'll get around to some solving.. eventually

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:45 pmSpeak for yourself, I want nothing to do with mafia players underpants

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:39 pmHK town

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:44 pmI am happy with my invictus vote! I'll do some quotehacks ISO work later to prove it

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Back to this a bit.

What's the point of this post really? Is it just to call my vote lazy? Cause I don't get anything of what this vote says about me or nanook or anyone.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:30 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 am Idk if I should be concerned or happy with the amount of overlap I have with dizzy as it could mean we're on the PERFECT TRACK or on the PEEFECT TRACK TO DOOM.

Still waiting for one more town tell from him to be completely certain

Do you legit thing Dizzy could be fooling you?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:27 am So there should be like 8-9 hours before day end, yes?

I'm heading out the door just now, but I'll be around at day end and in good time before.

I'm not clear on what @fingersplints suspicion on Koba is. To me it looks like more personality clash. If this is not the case, I would love a recap of why that is the vote.

I don't remember why anyone who's voting Falcon is. I think Koba voted him in relation to Falcon jumping on the Koba wagon, but that's it.

@Alison Where are you? Weren't you complaining about no solving and no content?

@hollowkatt Are you happy with your Invictus vote? If so, how are you going to convince us that he's scum here?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'm inferring that your vote on Tony is both game plow and lack of town read. If there's more to it, please share?

In general, we need to come together and make a decision here. I'm on Long Con now. He doesn't have that much content. I'm not married to my vote. Does anyone have good suggestions, who is the most likely to flip scum, why?

I am happy with my invictus vote! I'll do some quotehacks ISO work later to prove it

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:50 pmHe’s saying that his slot has been acting and doing everything like the way Nanook is and that you shouldn’t judge him if you don’t also judge Nanook.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:49 pm Are you sure your invictus? I mean he looks like a mushroom and a mushroom is Townie.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:48 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:39 pmHK town

vv curious as to why

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:59 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:53 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:45 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 amis this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

Yes, and he frequently pisses people off with his play style. It's pretty tiring. Trick is to see beyond all the discussions about how he's not playing the game the way everyone wants him to, and look at his actual content.

So far he's said that Gavial town slipped and has some town reads.

Speaking of, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME from memory I don't think you listed Gavial in your town reads, but you still said he town slipped. How come?

I'm deeply reluctant to ever give seth (gavial is seth btw) a true townread

But what if I randomly revealed as IC?
Would I still never get that TR?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:18 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:53 amI'm deeply reluctant to ever give seth (gavial is seth btw) a true townread

Can you say why please?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:27 am So there should be like 8-9 hours before day end, yes?

I'm heading out the door just now, but I'll be around at day end and in good time before.

I'm not clear on what @fingersplints suspicion on Koba is. To me it looks like more personality clash. If this is not the case, I would love a recap of why that is the vote.

I don't remember why anyone who's voting Falcon is. I think Koba voted him in relation to Falcon jumping on the Koba wagon, but that's it.

@Alison Where are you? Weren't you complaining about no solving and no content?

@hollowkatt Are you happy with your Invictus vote? If so, how are you going to convince us that he's scum here?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'm inferring that your vote on Tony is both game plow and lack of town read. If there's more to it, please share?

In general, we need to come together and make a decision here. I'm on Long Con now. He doesn't have that much content. I'm not married to my vote. Does anyone have good suggestions, who is the most likely to flip scum, why?