The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:00 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:27 am Alison putting us near hammer now?

It may be a lazy vote, but I'll vote for that. Marmot and Alison are hammer enablers. Get em.

This one in particular has very little conviction, but it isn't a joke either, and can't seem to commit to any particular tone.

I know townies can be stiff. I do it all the time. But I've never seen wilgy have trouble entering games as town.

Or maybe he's scummy adk

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:35 am just checked and jay seems less awkward/stilted than in philosophy mafia 2

his posts there feel like a jaggedjimmyjay automaton

i would kinda expect his posts to be better here regardless though because afaik that was his first real wolf rand in a long while, but still probably a good look

I don't think that's the game to use as a measure for the scum meta of any of the people who randed wolf there lol.

After careful consideration, I have concluded that Nanook hasn't said anything towny at any point, and if he was town, he would have by now. He just straight up doesn't care about his reads or finding wolves. Lock mafia.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

After careful consideration, I have concluded that Nanook hasn't said anything towny at any point, and if he was town, he would have by now. He just straight up doesn't care about his reads or finding wolves. Lock mafia.

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

After a hot, steamy, sensual shower, where I thought about the game (I don't car about mafia anymore haha), I have concluded that Alison is also mafia. I will probably explain this in more depth later. Just wanted to let you all know.

Alison+Nanook

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:49 am Both Bluey and Phil2 ended for me with Marmot shooting me in the ass (either by vig or by vote). Just take his word for it I guess.

@Marmot what’s jay’s alignment?

LOL! I had the same gut reaction seeing his posts this game that you had. V. And also a completely different world than Philo.

The reason I shot him in Bluey was I believe primarily off gamestate and Alison's legacy. I recall him making it a difficult decision to be vigged when he subbed in though.

After careful consideration, I have concluded that Nanook hasn't said anything towny at any point, and if he was town, he would have by now. He just straight up doesn't care about his reads or finding wolves. Lock mafia.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:35 am After careful consideration, I have concluded that Nanook hasn't said anything towny at any point, and if he was town, he would have by now. He just straight up doesn't care about his reads or finding wolves. Lock mafia.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

nah dog

I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Did you just wake up from sleep, or are you going to sleep?

Or both?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Did you just wake up from sleep, or are you going to sleep?

Or both?

Yes

It was a "I woke up too early and am getting 15 more min after I check syndicate" type post. You know how it is.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:03 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:51 am @Alison is wanting to sheep you normal for NAA? how does he usually approach you as v?

1) No.
2) These are the games I've had with v!NAA.

- Basic Mafia (V/V), where I explicitly asked to be sheeped because I had a very confident read. He did not do this.
- Bonk! Mafia (V/M), where I replaced into an outed scum slot and got instantly voted out by everyone.
- Lost in Space Mafia (V/M), where he correctly suspected me for voting a villager at D1 and buried me D2.
- GOC (V/V), where he received a role that gave him rewards if he faked and held a cop check; he faked a red check on me, and a member of the mafia opportunistically used this chance to dayvig me.

As you can see, he doesn't have a track record of sheeping me when he is town, regardless of my alignment. This is why I was skeptical of his decision to do so this game, with very little reason.

I do think NAA has track record of sheeping a player in the game who has a lot of threadclout or towncred.

He openly steeped JJJ in Fleabag
He openly steeped me in Team Fortress

I don't recall what his scum meta is like though

I don't need to play as scum because people don't understand my town meta, and generally go out of their way to not interact with me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:03 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:51 am @Alison is wanting to sheep you normal for NAA? how does he usually approach you as v?

1) No.
2) These are the games I've had with v!NAA.

- Basic Mafia (V/V), where I explicitly asked to be sheeped because I had a very confident read. He did not do this.
- Bonk! Mafia (V/M), where I replaced into an outed scum slot and got instantly voted out by everyone.
- Lost in Space Mafia (V/M), where he correctly suspected me for voting a villager at D1 and buried me D2.
- GOC (V/V), where he received a role that gave him rewards if he faked and held a cop check; he faked a red check on me, and a member of the mafia opportunistically used this chance to dayvig me.

As you can see, he doesn't have a track record of sheeping me when he is town, regardless of my alignment. This is why I was skeptical of his decision to do so this game, with very little reason.

I do think NAA has track record of sheeping a player in the game who has a lot of threadclout or towncred.

He openly steeped JJJ in Fleabag
He openly steeped me in Team Fortress

I don't recall what his scum meta is like though

I don't need to play as scum because people don't understand my town meta, and generally go out of their way to not interact with me.

If it's any consolation, I think you are town based on your behavior towards my slot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:20 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:03 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:51 am @Alison is wanting to sheep you normal for NAA? how does he usually approach you as v?

1) No.
2) These are the games I've had with v!NAA.

- Basic Mafia (V/V), where I explicitly asked to be sheeped because I had a very confident read. He did not do this.
- Bonk! Mafia (V/M), where I replaced into an outed scum slot and got instantly voted out by everyone.
- Lost in Space Mafia (V/M), where he correctly suspected me for voting a villager at D1 and buried me D2.
- GOC (V/V), where he received a role that gave him rewards if he faked and held a cop check; he faked a red check on me, and a member of the mafia opportunistically used this chance to dayvig me.

As you can see, he doesn't have a track record of sheeping me when he is town, regardless of my alignment. This is why I was skeptical of his decision to do so this game, with very little reason.

I do think NAA has track record of sheeping a player in the game who has a lot of threadclout or towncred.

He openly steeped JJJ in Fleabag
He openly steeped me in Team Fortress

I don't recall what his scum meta is like though

I don't need to play as scum because people don't understand my town meta, and generally go out of their way to not interact with me.

If it's any consolation, I think you are town based on your behavior towards my slot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

I would.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:38 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

I would.

Well

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

What?

If it's a town wagon, us being in a hammer state is quite literally a free push towards their win con.

Allowing for minimal data and setting up misyeet is their job.

Why would analysis towards "why wouldn't scum do that?" Dumb?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

i don’t know why you ever expect him to get hammered regardless of his alignment? wolves don’t just do that lol

also why do you not seem to be considering the possibility he’s a wolf?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:56 am Allowing for minimal data and setting up misyeet is their job.

Why would analysis towards "why wouldn't scum do that?" Dumb?

how often in your experience do wolves openly blitz to hammer a villager pre-lylo let alone D1? because i’ve never seen that lol

also if for some reason you think wolves will just do that and they haven’t, the fact that the haven’t would make MR a wolf right? but your not concluding that? or are you?

Scum Guillo did it in spiderverse where he had a secret hammer in a game where we didn't think there were hammers.

But that's guillo. Also Guillo was not held accountable for it and scum won.

Addendum: I doubt scum does that, I don't recall another instance in recent memory

idk why hammers are even a thing D1

on MU they’re always D2+ which i think is better because you don’t have to worry about it D1 and votes can move freely so there’s better data for following days

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:55 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

Uh. So you expect scum to openly hammer MR of he’s town? Seems dumb, to be frank. What if one or two are already on him?

Why is it either or. His wagon is pretty meh in any case. There’s plenty of time left in the day. Nobody expects a sudden hammer.

I don’t get and actually don’t buy that this is something you’re actually thinking about in this manner.

What?

If it's a town wagon, us being in a hammer state is quite literally a free push towards their win con.

Gurl

Ok

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:05 pm also if for some reason you think wolves will just do that and they haven’t, the fact that the haven’t would make MR a wolf right? but your not concluding that? or are you?

He did consider that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:05 pm also if for some reason you think wolves will just do that and they haven’t, the fact that the haven’t would make MR a wolf right? but your not concluding that? or are you?

He did consider that

where?

I wanna stop talking about the hammer thing

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:31 pm I wanna stop talking about the hammer thing

what do you want to talk about then?

@Master Radishes more radishy please

gimme dat spicy radishy goodness

i don’t quite get the push on radishes

his posts don’t really feel bad to me, moreso just meh but that’s not unusual for him D1

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:32 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:31 pm I wanna stop talking about the hammer thing

what do you want to talk about then?

Idk

@JaggedJimmyJay are you now able to talk about the Radish things you couldn't talk about before

also don’t really get why nobody has seemed interested in NAA

wilgy, nook and radishes are in a similar spot to him thread position wise of being PoE to basically everyone but they’ve all been getting votes and NAA hasn’t

if NAA flips wolf i would look at the people who have had him as PoE/wolfy but have been going for other targets instead of him

Can I get a tldr on Axe that doesn't revolve around "not towny"

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:46 pm Can I get a tldr on Axe that doesn't revolve around "not towny"

- treatment of alison is wolfy - opens saying he wants to sheep her while not yet having a read on her then v reads her for a weak reason that doesn’t really apply to her and makes no effort engage with/understand the suspicion surrounding her i.e. what villagers do when someone they v read is getting wolf read a ton. just don’t see any critical thought or drive to figure things out in his treatment of her and it reads more like he’s just trying to ingratiate himself to her.

- treatment of his nonconsensus suspects is wolfy - keeps throwing you out as a wolf read but does nothing about it. again, not what villagers do when someone they wolf read is getting widely v read. i think at one point he even threw out you/jay/dizzy as his suspects and you’re all being cleared pretty much, meaning from his pov town’s consensus is way off, yet i don’t see any of the concern in his posts that villagers have when they think everything is upside down.

- i find his treatment of me wolfy too but obviously biased there. just don’t feel like he’s been trying to solve me in a good faith way.

also he and nanook know each other well afaik + nanook has been getting a lot of heat, but NAA has largely ignored him i think

i dunno, just not feeling the villager in the way he’s approaching anything but i’ve never played with him so maybe i’m backwards here

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what’s your read on NAA? thoughts on my concerns above?

I want to say Dizzy has a higher mileage this game than GoC thoughts-wise, and posts look less prepared in general
No idea if that's a good way to read Dizzy

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:31 am I am fascinated by the fact Mr didn't get yeeted when I slept.

I have no clue how to interpret this.

Goodnight.

Ythistho

Because it adds perspective.

If MR is town, scum for some reason haven't done it yet. Either not present or afraid of the fall out.

Or he hasn't been hammered because their team is actively avoiding it.

i don’t know why you ever expect him to get hammered regardless of his alignment? wolves don’t just do that lol

also why do you not seem to be considering the possibility he’s a wolf?

BOLDZINGA

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:56 am Allowing for minimal data and setting up misyeet is their job.

Why would analysis towards "why wouldn't scum do that?" Dumb?

how often in your experience do wolves openly blitz to hammer a villager pre-lylo let alone D1? because i’ve never seen that lol

I wanna say three times, but it's more likely twice now.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:17 pm I want to say Dizzy has a higher mileage this game than GoC thoughts-wise, and posts look less prepared in general
No idea if that's a good way to read Dizzy

he’s actually kinda weirding me out a bit because i feel like he’s overplaying the “too cool to care” thing and actually would care more as a villager

but it’s possible he’s just in some kind of funk as he says and i agree with the direction he’s going in so idk

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:05 pm also if for some reason you think wolves will just do that and they haven’t, the fact that the haven’t would make MR a wolf right? but your not concluding that? or are you?

I'm finding that the likely scenario, BUT I think it also is more so worth keeping in mind while we accrue more data on the people currently on MR.

If any of them specifically flip wolf, prior to us flipping MR, I'd say that just about clears MR. If MR flips Wolf, I'd say it just about clears everyone on the Wagon, with the exception that we think that there's a bussing teammate who just wasn't around to course correct.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:22 pm [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Speaking of which.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:31 pm I wanna stop talking about the hammer thing

no