The Syndicate

Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:36 am TOWN
Dunya
NAA

TOWN?
Marmot?
Cape?
Dya?

WOLF?

WOLF
Alison
Hollowkatt

Huh.

Why town Dunya atp?

I'm getting scum Jack vibes.

This is entirely from like, the last page and a half though.

Reminds me of that time me Hazelnut and Jack were all on a team. He killed me in cold blood, then posted in a way that feels similar to current.

Did dunia just say she's hot?

We knew this already.

ITAs start in 1 hour right?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:04 pm I'm getting scum Jack vibes.

This is entirely from like, the last page and a half though.

Reminds me of that time me Hazelnut and Jack were all on a team. He killed me in cold blood, then posted in a way that feels similar to current.

But town has killed two wolves without my input so I can't be a wolf.

Can I preemptively shoot Jack?

I have to run right when it opens, but that'll give me an hour to catch up and chat about a plan for it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:06 pm Can I preemptively shoot Jack?

I can

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:06 pm Can I preemptively shoot Jack?

I can

Bless

Atp, I'm blasting Falcon at start of itas.

And by "at start of itas" I mean "sometime in the middle of itas after I inevitably end up getting distracted by dinner/my children.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:16 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh

They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off

I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".

you don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her later

You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?

I think it's concerning that your view doesn't give off a holistic feeling.

Like, if person A has done a ton of things that should make them very town, and then that person does something that I find rand wolf, maybe I would call it out and question it and try to figure out if I could've been wrong there. But I wouldn't straight up call that person concerning without having the earlier things in mind.

It's different if a person I'm null on would say something that's rand wolf, THEN I might call that person straight up concerning.

It's different in my mind to call a *thing* as off, and what you did, "wisdom is really conerning me". That implies that person is higher on your suspect list and you want others to put focus there.

Which leads me to believe you're not trying to find a towncore but just looking for things to push on (preferably breaking up the current consensus towncore if it's correct), which is how wolves like to do things

god, i cant get shending's voice out of my head when i read his longer posts like this one. i love it lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:24 am Dya being like “it concerns me that Wisdom is saying I said those things” is town indicative. Not a lock town read for me but that’s the first real clue to their alignment fmpov (having missed large chunks of the game).

this is a pretty good point tbh. maybe more for jack than dya but i like the subtle difference and am digesting it.

Fwiw, getting blasted in itas doesn't count as being misyeeted.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:07 pm Atp, I'm blasting Falcon at start of itas.

And by "at start of itas" I mean "sometime in the middle of itas after I inevitably end up getting distracted by dinner/my children.

I'll distract you with dinner and children if you know what I mean.

I'm feeling better and better about Wigly by the moment

I have no idea what you mean.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:04 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:06 am Marmot's entrance is pretty townie.

What was townie about my entrance?

Same question to shendog and whoever else said that.

Feels not w/w.

I think I already had a Marmot townread tho.

Spoiler: show

The magical ketchup exercise where I reinforce all the reads I already had blobwizard.jpg

How many times are you going to townread me?

I want to say that's probably more townie of you because I recall you townreading me in the last game we played (that old people game on MU), compared to when you're scum, but that's a gut reaction tthatt I don't have evidence for.

marmottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt i miss u

give me your top 3 suspects @Marmot

I refuse to accept any derp clear for Alison's death. Y'all know better than that.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:59 am @Shending_Help When you played with Cape and he was scum, how did he deal with pressure on him?

Possibly t!Cape indicative. Just continually reinforcing the reads I already have. I must be rly good atg.

i can see a distant world where jack/dya are w/w and jack is doing his best to dig a teammate from being fos'd again after losing 2 teammates back to back.

i can.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:12 pm marmottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt i miss u

give me your top 3 suspects @Marmot

falcon
Wilgy
Sabie

I still have a couple pages to catch up on though.

Sean used to be a suspect, but I'm backing off of that because he pushed Alison Day 1, and voted hk as well.


Who are yours?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:13 pm i can see a distant world where jack/dya are w/w and jack is doing his best to dig a teammate from being fos'd again after losing 2 teammates back to back.

i can.

This is what I'm hoping for tbh.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:13 pm i can see a distant world where jack/dya are w/w and jack is doing his best to dig a teammate from being fos'd again after losing 2 teammates back to back.

i can.

What's a less distant world?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 am This is DrWilgy's vote from early Day 1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

And given hk's posts to that point:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm so goodby for days

I think it's a bussable vote. I wouldn't put it past Wilgy to vote a teammate early on like this.

You aren't wrong about me voting a teammate early.

This was, however, a real read. I think I got HK decently figured out of late. Pretty pleased with my ability to insta read them. (Am I allowed to say see JJJ's recent game, as that's now over?)

Wasn't hk town in that game though? Were his entrances here and there different?

(I miss you too dunia!!! ghostcathug.jpeg)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:15 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:13 pm i can see a distant world where jack/dya are w/w and jack is doing his best to dig a teammate from being fos'd again after losing 2 teammates back to back.

i can.

What's a less distant world?

like me, you are town and hesitating and don't want town dya killed off early in a TS game as is the norm for them here apparently so the hesitation comes with finding another narrative for dya posts.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:53 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:39 am @Wisdom I think Wilgy is more likely to have himself bussed over bussing another teammate.

totally agree with this in every world and scenario lol.

i don't know why i was asked about seanzie from dya and wisdom, but i feel good about him. i think he's prodding in good directions in the way t!seanzie does.

It's funny because the only place where I want to die more than Mafia is IRL.

Just fuck me up fam.

Politely gonna ask that you refrain from making death jokes (:

Lol once again I fail to notice there's a whole new page I haven't read before answering.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 am This is DrWilgy's vote from early Day 1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

And given hk's posts to that point:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm so goodby for days

I think it's a bussable vote. I wouldn't put it past Wilgy to vote a teammate early on like this.

You aren't wrong about me voting a teammate early.

This was, however, a real read. I think I got HK decently figured out of late. Pretty pleased with my ability to insta read them. (Am I allowed to say see JJJ's recent game, as that's now over?)

Wasn't hk town in that game though? Were his entrances here and there different?

Vastly

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 am This is DrWilgy's vote from early Day 1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

And given hk's posts to that point:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm so goodby for days

I think it's a bussable vote. I wouldn't put it past Wilgy to vote a teammate early on like this.

You aren't wrong about me voting a teammate early.

This was, however, a real read. I think I got HK decently figured out of late. Pretty pleased with my ability to insta read them. (Am I allowed to say see JJJ's recent game, as that's now over?)

Wasn't hk town in that game though? Were his entrances here and there different?

Vastly

dab

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:14 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:12 pm marmottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt i miss u

give me your top 3 suspects @Marmot

falcon
Wilgy
Sabie

I still have a couple pages to catch up on though.

Sean used to be a suspect, but I'm backing off of that because he pushed Alison Day 1, and voted hk as well.


Who are yours?

why wilgy? i think i read from you so far more reasons why wilgy could be town than wolf but i do still have like 5 pages.

do you feel sabi self resolves?

this is where my readslist is like

wisdom
marmot
shending help -- i have not isod or digested his long posts yet, but good vibes from what i have absorbed
seanzie - vibe thing, need to iso

cape -- i think alison spews him town need to iso alison again because otherwise i was getting baddish vibes from the self defence
jack -- need to iso

wilgy -- as is always the case with early game wilgy, 50/50, have some points in his favor for immediately fos'ing HK don't feel wilgy does that very early game to his teammate tbh

spacedaisy -- votes off HK after following wisdom's lead. that's the only post i've read of her. need to iso. could be a bus, and a pocket attempt in one. could be townie indictive to tie up the yeets but i wasn't here eod. who was the second leading wagon?

sabi -- self resolves? i think they claimed pr.

dya
falcon -- isoing now

How many PRs could town have btw? NAA+Marmot+Sabi makes three.
Not trying to fish anything, just thinking about how likely Sabi's claim is, and there's probably some mech info that I've missed as usual.

Not clearing Dun but I think [Jack, Sabi, Daisy, Falcon] are all decent shots although I'd like Daisy/Falcon to be able to claim first if there's any PR's left.
Feels like we should have stronger PR's than RB+RC+1x Vig if there's 6 wolves in a 15er.
Although the ITA mechanic is also town sided, yeah.

@Wisdom did you read the opener for flacon and se the issue i saw

@wisdom So I take it that you have a townread on Dya? Wanna talk about it? I'm leaning towards shooting there or Falc rn

I didnt have the time to look into alison i was hoping to have today

@dunya I read Wilgy's explanation for why he voted hk. The original explanation was lacking, but I've been catching up since then and found his responses slightly better.

I don't know. I don't want to try to read Wilgy after wrongly pushing him and getting him yeeted in G-Man's mountainous game.

Why is dya a wolf? I must have missed something in my catchup

I'm probably shooting at falcon unless someone convinces me otherwise

but im concerned that he's a

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:45 pm @wisdom So I take it that you have a townread on Dya? Wanna talk about it? I'm leaning towards shooting there or Falc rn

I knew I forgot someone.
I'm even voting them, lol.
No, I don't have a town read on them! I was gonna say shoot in [Jack, Dya] but that [Sabi, Falcon, Daisy] are also fine but more risky.

Oh I forgot to poll vote them.
I'm so confused today, I blame virus!

I don't get why I'm being on the shotlists at all but whatever I don't have the energy to argue since my role is meh. Just sucks thats all.

I'll come back to Shen's towncases of the same four people I strongly townread later if we don't find wolves outside of that group.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:39 pm And then i got Dunya with the potential derpclear (but doesn't have to be one) as my next 'maybe V' person.

And then probably Sabi still. Partly because my brain doesn't wanna accept that we were so right d1 as a group. But could still be Sabi, especially if dya is V.

Then we have Spacedaisy, falcon, jack, dya

I'm mainly trying to figure out which people can fit together and which can't between my bottom 4-5.

Cuz i'm pretty damn confident in my top 4 being town, and then anything can be true.


So to summarize:

Me
Wisdom
Marmot
Sean
.
.
Cape
.
.
.
.
DrWigly
.
Dunya
.
Sabi (likely not with dya)
.
Falcon
Jack
Dya (likely not with sabi)

What did you like about Wilgy's early push on hk?

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:51 pm

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:49 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:46 pm I'm glad we're on the same page wrt town core Shen. 4 wolves are a lot but since our PoE is 6 people it *should* be doable?

yeah i think we're in a good spot. If there's really 6 wolves the PR/Mechanic side should be in our favor. We also have another ITA window, and even more importantly, we have Marmot's Dayvig shot after tonight's ITA phase.

So we'll be able to wreck our way through the PoE pretty well, and get more info along the way depending on flips

Marmot claiming the vig shot is honestly making me nervous though. Like yeah it's gonna be of help *if he's still alive* but what if wolves day vigs him now >_>

My availability is kinda low Day 2 in general, and based on the amount of KP today that I am aware of (between ITAs and my day vig), I get the impression that this game will move fast and have a lot of kills, so I wanted to get that in the thread to encourage conversation around who we should be killing with said KP.

Shen mentioned it too, but I made the assumption that there wouldn't be multiple day vigs in a draft-based game. I expect the PRs to be different (as evidenced by NAA's and HK's roles as well)

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:27 pm Feel like Wisdom is usually an easy read and I think that they are a lot more buckled in this game then I have seen them as wolf

Buckled? What does that mean here?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:32 pm haha Sabi got an avatar that's cute

I might be misreading the tone of this post from Jack, but it feels a little snippy/ridiculey and I don't like it. Please clarify if it's something else.


(this is the rest of my catch up)

the fact that no one is engaging with me about falcon is very annoying

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm

This is obviously a motivator soft yes but it's way too obvious and I don't see why he'd do that.
What's a motivator, even?

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm

This is obviously a motivator soft yes but it's way too obvious and I don't see why he'd do that.
What's a motivator, even?

What is a motivator?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:48 pm Why is dya a wolf? I must have missed something in my catchup

PoE + Them giving both flipped wolves passes because "they become obvious later" + them having very limited amounts of reads if you look through the ISO. And their entry was literally giving 1 townread, and it was on Axe who died in the night. It doesn't feel like they really believe strongly in anything from what i've picked up.

And i really hated when they threw out the sus on wisdom earlier and gave the excuse of Alison being bussable and Wisdom being hard to read for them. Like, sure. I can see that influencing things, but to just ignore Wisdom literally being dead right on HK/Alison all d1 and pushing it hard + shooting Alison and then shading that person because Wisdom misremembered something? (which is in character for wisdom as well)

I'm not sure Dya is a wolf, but it's the best I got tbh

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm

This is obviously a motivator soft yes but it's way too obvious and I don't see why he'd do that.
What's a motivator, even?

usually doubles your action

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm

This is obviously a motivator soft yes but it's way too obvious and I don't see why he'd do that.
What's a motivator, even?

Clarification: I don't trust the soft because it's too weird. Not sure what that makes of Falcon but I at least don't think he's a motivator.

Motivator tends to be a mafia role. It puts actions ahead of all orders of actions so it can't be stopped/roleblocked.