Re: The Avengers [Day 2]
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 11:40 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:35 amAnything game related, reads, opinions on the night kill, etc.
I get you are not Abigail I know, so if you can tell me things about you as a player it will be usefulThanks Brad, +1Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:14 pmWell kinda need literally anything from you currently since a full day phase has gone by and there's enough content to dissect.
Honestly I'm having trouble keeping who said what straight
The only read I have is Moto being Mafia
Reasoning: The only game I've played with him (besides this) we were a town team together and he played differently than he is now
Also he voted me without giving a reason just like with LC (or at least I didn't see him give one) maybe he voted me because I said I was suspicious of him in a previous post?
@motobot Why did you vote me?
Has to do with the wording a bitLoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:07 pmWhy? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:18 pm So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab
I’m very smartLoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:08 pmAnd you know that how?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town
people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
Reaction to the Wilgy flip is good and defense of AS is good and I think he comes out of the slap fight looking fine (Brad kinda does too but that’s way more of a meta read)LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:09 pmCan you share for the rest of the class?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:15 pm I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:31 pm OK, Wilgys flip was in purple font, same as the Independent, and Epi address the Avengers in the same orange font
Ergo, Wilgy was either Thanos or Deadpool
How are you judging the Porscha trLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:49 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
SVS
Roxy
Falcon
Townlean:
Syn
Simon
Lorab
I said I should be adding Roxy before and forgot so now I actually have her.
--------------------------------------Abigail Sophia
dunya
leetic
Long Con
motobot
sig
TonyStarkPrime
This would be the remaining POE for me looking at this game.
@Porscha @Michelle @S~V~S @Roxy
Do any of y'all have any sort of reason to townread anyone in this pile of names that I have in the POE?
I love this post by SVS and agree.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:40 amI can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.
There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.
I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.
Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.
It’s harder in games like this where the player list isn’t as familiar with what I can read pretty quickly (and there are just fewer posts), even players like Falcon who I used to be able to read very well have developed and he’s a much harder read now. I feel pretty sketchy on Porscha but I wouldn’t call it a wolf full time. Same with Simon.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:17 amYeah, I was paraphrasing.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:31 pm ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature
I also thought you meant Wilgys posts here, when in rereading it, I think you actually meant "other peoples posts", so i was thinking of this too. I thought you were saying his posts weren't wolfy, which was a bit for me. My mistake, I think.
I haven't caught up; do you have any other feels about anyone else? I saw you in one game, where you were afk for days, you showed up and in 6 one line posts you called out a wolf. I guess with you I'm looking for your level of confidence, and I haven't really seen that?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:57 pmTheir posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read themleetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pmWhat makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?
I am feeling slightly better about you since your posting spurt and the substance of your posts. Thanks for the work you've done.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:28 pmIt’s harder in games like this where the player list isn’t as familiar with what I can read pretty quickly (and there are just fewer posts), even players like Falcon who I used to be able to read very well have developed and he’s a much harder read now. I feel pretty sketchy on Porscha but I wouldn’t call it a wolf full time. Same with Simon.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:17 amYeah, I was paraphrasing.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:31 pm ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature
I also thought you meant Wilgys posts here, when in rereading it, I think you actually meant "other peoples posts", so i was thinking of this too. I thought you were saying his posts weren't wolfy, which was a bit for me. My mistake, I think.
I haven't caught up; do you have any other feels about anyone else? I saw you in one game, where you were afk for days, you showed up and in 6 one line posts you called out a wolf. I guess with you I'm looking for your level of confidence, and I haven't really seen that?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:57 pmTheir posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read themleetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pmWhat makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:13 pmhe'll respond, he doesn't like me and he won't pass up the opportunity
I tgink like you gotta take the vote in the concept of someone who is fairly unfamiliar with the style of forum mafia and is a low poster but is still invested in the game and looking to contribute. We’ve got a pretty high post count sort of folk around these parts and so those archetypes are not as common — it’s hard to be invested given how many posts there are if you’re not staying current. But I don’t see the vote as necessarily wolfyS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:42 amI personally did not vote for her for low posting, I voted based specifically on her Wilgy vote. Drive by votes are my least favorite thing in Mafia, tbh. Very seriously. BUT you are right; not a very experienced player, and in retrospect, if she had teammates, maybe they would have told her that was not a good look. I mean, I thought her after the fact explanation sounded coached, but, again, in retrospect, they would also have had plenty of time to coach her BEFORE she made that vote.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:27 pm One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there
(that game)Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:32 pmSorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yetScotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:06 pmI….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this gameAbigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:05 pmThis is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation
But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though
How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?
I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)
(this game)Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:03 pmWhen I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.
The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that
I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd
I made a mistake and I am sorry
So meh.
I will consider this and prolly switch my vote today.
Did Moto say why he voted for her? I'm kinda flitting around in here this AM, so haven't got much linear reading going, and I need to go get ready to go to work soon.
Where did you get this theory from?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town
people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
I mistyped in the first thing. I thought Wilgy was a wolf and thought his flip was mechanical and there was not necessarily a reason to believe his flip was a wolf kill. I still think this but a review of the data has led me to believe that Wilgy is actually town.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:15 amCan you help an ESL here?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:37 pmidgi
Google says "IDGI is an acronym that stands for "I Don't Get It."
So I don't understand your post and you don't understand my question?
It’s pretty conspiratorial but looks like other people picked up on it so I’m willing to explain. There’s a famous comic storyline where Cap evades death a few times and is eventually comic-book-killed by a sniper [no spoilers], the write ups are reminiscent of that.sig wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:32 pmWhere did you get this theory from?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town
people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
Last post not referring to wilgyRoxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 11:11 amTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:30 pmdid I ever said maybe not because I doubt itS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:31 pm @Roxy
Yes because iirc Motobots vote was the third. Abigail’s vote on Wilgy was even sketchier imo, but that vote hadn’t been made when I posted about motos vote.
Leetic was also sketchy but it wasn’t a pile on. “Random” or “vibe” pile ons always strike me as sus.
I thought Porschas was a joke at the time. Although in retrospect, TSPs “Willy is bad” “oh wait maybe not” “his posts are bad” “ maybe not” thing yet leaving his vote on Wilgy was also mega sketch.
but, but, but:
these are from you day one:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:57 pmTheir posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read themleetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pmWhat makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?
You seem to have trying to cover your ass when it came to others looking back at your iso. LOL You went from he has wolfy posts to they weren't wolfy or I didn't read them.
I’m having some serious issues with finding mafia reads right now.
That’s what I’m pondering here.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:34 pm “Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question
agreed and quite scary.
it's definitely a soft defense from leetic towards abi. he didn't have to directly say it, bringing that up unprompted says itLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:43 amThe fact that Leetic isn't even giving a read there and is just stating something?Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:56 amIf it's towny for lorab why isn't it also towny for leetic who brought it up to begin withLime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:59 pmNGL this feels towny.LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:05 pmWas also going to say that. Her mislynch in that game gives me pause to vote her in this game.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:27 pm One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there
(that game)Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:32 pmSorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yetScotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:06 pm
I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game
But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though
How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?
I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)
(this game)Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:03 pmWhen I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.
The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that
I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd
I made a mistake and I am sorry
hm... you're right that I don't have a confident scumread, but why should I be confidently scumreading leetic? I think you guys should kith and make upLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:00 am @Porscha
Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?
You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.
But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.
aw I felt pretty bold saying the first few of them
the question already assumes too much imoTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:34 pm “Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question
lol swagRoxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:47 pm I just noticed these on pg 1:
VISION
Technopathy
On one occasion, you may assume complete control over the next Day’s poll. At Night, you can select four to six names to appear.
SPIDER-MAN
Web Shot
You protect your target from all Night actions in a thick webbing, but this renders your target blocked at the same time.
LOKI
Trick Poll
Each Night, you may switch the names of two people in the poll. These names will appear normally on the poll, but if one of the two is voted out, the other is killed instead. You may target yourself. The double targeting rule applies.
Were these always there bc I do not remember them?
No spoilers, gotcha. I won't mention the time-bullet.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:38 pmIt’s pretty conspiratorial but looks like other people picked up on it so I’m willing to explain. There’s a famous comic storyline where Cap evades death a few times and is eventually comic-book-killed by a sniper [no spoilers], the write ups are reminiscent of that.sig wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:32 pmWhere did you get this theory from?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town
people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
Noice.Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:47 pm I just noticed these on pg 1:
VISION
Technopathy
On one occasion, you may assume complete control over the next Day’s poll. At Night, you can select four to six names to appear.
SPIDER-MAN
Web Shot
You protect your target from all Night actions in a thick webbing, but this renders your target blocked at the same time.
LOKI
Trick Poll
Each Night, you may switch the names of two people in the poll. These names will appear normally on the poll, but if one of the two is voted out, the other is killed instead. You may target yourself. The double targeting rule applies.
Were these always there bc I do not remember them?
Total flavour win though. Epi done good.
You...completely misread that entirely.Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 11:37 amthis feels icky. You will give someone else credit for leetic's elim if he flips bad?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:00 am @Porscha
Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?
You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.
But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.
If you want to actually convince others to join you - you should build a case instead of just arguing back and forth ad nauseum beating a dead horse to death again.
Outline why you think he is bad, please.
Oh my God.sig wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:26 pmI love this post by SVS and agree.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:40 amI can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.
There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.
I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.
Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.
I’m also not sure I like how quickly Lime shifted into an NKA/search to find who might’ve killed him. It’s a red flag for sure.
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:59 pmok then just give up on leetic and work somewhere else lol
Porscha you can look around on the thread and you'll see numerous times where players are asking him for reads or literally anything related to game solving or solving a player and he outright ignores it and then proceeds to do nothing else.Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:08 pmhm... you're right that I don't have a confident scumread, but why should I be confidently scumreading leetic? I think you guys should kith and make upLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:00 am @Porscha
Like is there any chance you'll give me an opportunity and vote Leetic with me?
You don't seem to have a confident wolf read yourself. If you did I'd be more than happy following and giving you the credit if it flips mafia.
But this is one of the few times I'm confident in a wolfread. I'm asking for you to sheep me on it.
I just read through that quote chain again and I definitely have criticisms.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:44 pmOh my God.sig wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:26 pmI love this post by SVS and agree.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:40 amI can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.
There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.
I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.
Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.
I’m also not sure I like how quickly Lime shifted into an NKA/search to find who might’ve killed him. It’s a red flag for sure.
I DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT
LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS
ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS?
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:56 pmI mean... this is as worldview as I can get.
Do you have anything against anything any of them being townread?
In terms of scumreads I don't have many, like if they're not in my townreads more than likely I'm fine with voting them.
@Porscha