Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Yeah, I didn't much like that either.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:DId you suddenly theorize me and SVS being on the same mafia team just because we both voted for you?
Oh, if that's the case, I really don't understand. Why would that be advantageous for me to do as scum? I feel like it'd be more beneficial to scum to halt discussion altogether. What makes you think I didn't use it to scumhunt? I gauged reactions from it. Fuzz is one of my prime suspects and that was reaction to mechanic discussion... so?Diiny wrote:Don't misrepresent me, wilgy. I'm not voting for you for starting that discussion per se. I didn't go YOU'RE BAD FOR STARTING DISCUSSION. Golden can read for himself and see that you were playing really dumb with why it would be advantageous for you to do so as scum, which doesn't help. You also did fuck all else BUT discuss the setup. You didn't use it to scumhunt. And your votes so far have been bad. Just read my posts. Will hopefully be back before the deadline but I put trust in golden's ability to click on the diiny's posts button
Gleam - what is the difference between sussing out the police and minimising civilians deaths? How do you propose to minimise civilian deaths?agleaminranks wrote:When we're this early in the game and far more likely (statistically) to lynch a good guy, I'm more focused on minimizing civilian deaths than actively trying to suss out the police. That's just my strategy. You can agree with it or not, but that's what makes the most sense to me. Granted, once a day or two goes by and we have some patterns to examine, then the baddie hunt needs to become the main focus. If I'm still being noncommittal at that point, you can criticize me of not getting involved all you want. But I've certainly been participating in the discussion. Going all gung-ho and throwing accusations left and right isn't the only way to get involved.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Agreeing with what you are saying doesn't equal reading you as a civ.
SVS and Sloonei pointed out something I hadn't yet noticed. I then read your posts and concluded that indeed, you were saying a lot without actually getting yourself involved in the actual game (hunting baddies).
Except me. He hasn't forgiven me for bussing him in Guess WhoDragon D. Luffy wrote:Eh... I hope I haven't offended anyone with my accusations. If I have, you can tell me and I'll apologize. I'm only being agressive in the context of the game, I don't hate any of you.
Unfortunately that doesn't narrow things down much.sig wrote:I don't like Nero's vote what so ever. It seems like he picked a player who already had two votes. I think one of the other people with two votes is a cop, and Nero switched his vote to save them.
That makes no sense. We won the game because of that.Golden wrote:Except me. He hasn't forgiven me for bussing him in Guess WhoDragon D. Luffy wrote:Eh... I hope I haven't offended anyone with my accusations. If I have, you can tell me and I'll apologize. I'm only being agressive in the context of the game, I don't hate any of you.
Not by much, but it does by a bit.Golden wrote:Unfortunately that doesn't narrow things down much.sig wrote:I don't like Nero's vote what so ever. It seems like he picked a player who already had two votes. I think one of the other people with two votes is a cop, and Nero switched his vote to save them.
I did, it just also feels to me that you really just sort of chimed in rather than giving further explanation for your votes.Diiny wrote:Read my response.agleaminranks wrote:I think Luffy made a good point against your favor. As much as I don't want to say that for how fervently he is attacking me at the moment.Diiny wrote:Glad your vote is well informed.agleaminranks wrote:I'm voting Diiny, but not because I specifically side with Wilgy or Enrique. To be honest I have no idea what the flying fart is going on in that circle.
That's a good question. It's really hard to do because someone has to be lynched the first day. Mongoose has attempted to do so by spreading the votes thinner, that's certainly at least one way to abstain personally. I think the best thing to do is to really try not to fly off the handle with suspicions so early. That's the most common way that civs end up getting lynched.Golden wrote:Gleam - what is the difference between sussing out the police and minimising civilians deaths? How do you propose to minimise civilian deaths?agleaminranks wrote:When we're this early in the game and far more likely (statistically) to lynch a good guy, I'm more focused on minimizing civilian deaths than actively trying to suss out the police. That's just my strategy. You can agree with it or not, but that's what makes the most sense to me. Granted, once a day or two goes by and we have some patterns to examine, then the baddie hunt needs to become the main focus. If I'm still being noncommittal at that point, you can criticize me of not getting involved all you want. But I've certainly been participating in the discussion. Going all gung-ho and throwing accusations left and right isn't the only way to get involved.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Agreeing with what you are saying doesn't equal reading you as a civ.
SVS and Sloonei pointed out something I hadn't yet noticed. I then read your posts and concluded that indeed, you were saying a lot without actually getting yourself involved in the actual game (hunting baddies).
[quote="agleaminranks"=You know what big, bold, brazen, and unbacked claims result in? Good guys getting lynched.Golden wrote:At this point I'm heading off and hoping to be back before poll ends, but no guarantees (in fact I'm thinking I probably won't be, unfortunately, as I've just been told my meeting is off site).
I'm tossing up between Wilgy and gleam, but the tie breaker for now is I don't know gleam, although I find his behaviour more than just dodgy. The stuff about not scum hunting, while connecting his voters as though they are on a team out to get him, doesn't sit well with me. Actually I've talked myself in to changing to gleam. So I'll go there.
[/quote]Lies!Diiny wrote:Playing from the train station because im a sociopath. Have you ever played a game with me as town?
Wilgy your vote for fuzz and golden were both bad. Brought out of nowhere.
So both the green from this quote is standard civvy Fuzz. Makes a point to express his feelings regarding a subject he brings up, or expresses curiosity in the things he feels like he doesn't have enough information on.RadicalFuzz wrote:Refusal to elaborate on a lynch vote isn't enough for a lynch? I disagree, Luffy. Saying "X should be dead" and not explaining the why is either poor play that needs to be pruned or intentional manipulation of mob mentality to keep motives for X's death hidden. I don't like it.
Wilgy you knew perfectly well that your voting plan wasn't going to work before you posted it.
Scotty you didn't put me on that list of people who hadn't checked in. If you made the list off the top of your head why are those 3 on your mind, and if you went down the list how did you miss me?
I'm a few pages behind but I'm feeling the crunch of the lynch end. This post by Golden roughly tells me where I am in the read, and I'm going to put a vote down on him for buddying me, and putting a green coloured target on my back. GoldenGolden wrote:I like it tooDragon D. Luffy wrote:@LC
So your idea is to basically dump the whole traitor thing under a pile of WIFOM so big nobody can draw any conclusion from it?
I like it.
LC is the first person to get a colour on my rainbow. It's very lightly green.
I agree with this point.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Some one liners that pinged me:
sprityo wrote:Day zero is for policemen!
linki-that is in fact, and idea, that is good, yesBoth those guys only posted that. Nothing wrong with speculating on Wilgy's plan, but they haven't posted anything else yet. Could be a very easy way to blend in.Tranq wrote:No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.
I'd like to hug you. No lynches are fantastic.agleaminranks wrote:I didn't. I don't have solid reads on people apart from how they normally act in other games.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Gleam
Did you actually post civ reads on anyone though? Other than me? Please show because I think I missed those.
I think Matt is being a bit more quiet than normal, I think I remember him being a little more pandering for discussion than usual. But I have no reason to suspect him as being bad.
Scott and Epignosis are both acting pretty typical, even if they're somewhat low posters for the game right now.
The only other people I have played games with before (Mongoose, llama, zebra) have all been pretty inactive in the game right now. I'm inclined to say civilian just because their contributions seem normal.
I think S~V~S has a false read on me but I don't have reason to suspect her as bad.
Ideally, I think it would be best if no one got lynched the first day.Sloonei wrote:What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying you'd prefer not to lynch anyone today?agleaminranks wrote:When we're this early in the game and far more likely (statistically) to lynch a good guy, I'm more focused on minimizing civilian deaths than actively trying to suss out the police. That's just my strategy. You can agree with it or not, but that's what makes the most sense to me. Granted, once a day or two goes by and we have some patterns to examine, then the baddie hunt needs to become the main focus. If I'm still being noncommittal at that point, you can criticize me of not getting involved all you want. But I've certainly been participating in the discussion. Going all gung-ho and throwing accusations left and right isn't the only way to get involved.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Agreeing with what you are saying doesn't equal reading you as a civ.
SVS and Sloonei pointed out something I hadn't yet noticed. I then read your posts and concluded that indeed, you were saying a lot without actually getting yourself involved in the actual game (hunting baddies).
Think of this mathematically. I'm of the firm opinion that no one has enough concrete evidence on anyone else to make more than, say, a 10 or 20% educated guess on alignment. We're close to lynching at random here. It's no different from a first day lynch. Statistically then we are more likely than not to lynch someone good. Then we wait for the results of the night actions to formulate more solid theories.
These are the two scenarios at this point:
1. The lynch vote ends up being civilian. The night phase happens, the Police Chief (unless they target the Don) is probably going to succeed in arresting someone. We're down two noble mafiosos/mafiosas.
2. The lynch vote ends up being police. Unless the Chief is lynched (a one in thirty chance), some mafia is probably going to be arrested. One baddie is down, we're down one good guy.
The first scenario is more likely to happen by a factor of 5. I agree that if a baddie is lynched this early, yes, it will go a long way towards helping the mafia teams in the long run. But. You risk civilian death as well. Some people might argue that it's worth the risk of killing a civvie if the chance of taking down even one baddie is there, I just don't agree with that strategy. Maybe it's a matter of personal taste to want to be more restrained. If we were able to somehow avoid lynching someone Day 1 then we would most likely be down one civvie but we also wouldn't be down two, probably. But that's not part of the rules, so I have to come up with my best educated guess.
Anyone with a comfortable tradition for their Day 1 vote automatically pings me. The reason for this is because they may do it when Civ, but it gives them a free pass for Day 1 as Mafia. The rest of us have to explain our votes and reasons, and he gets to coast because of tradition? That's lame. I may change to Scotty, I have twenty minutes.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Scotty always votes automatically for the most inactive player on day 1.
You could be right, but I've seen enough Scotty mislynches in my life so I will pass.Long Con wrote:Anyone with a comfortable tradition for their Day 1 vote automatically pings me. The reason for this is because they may do it when Civ, but it gives them a free pass for Day 1 as Mafia. The rest of us have to explain our votes and reasons, and he gets to coast because of tradition? That's lame. I may change to Scotty, I have twenty minutes.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Scotty always votes automatically for the most inactive player on day 1.
on him.Muh bad, I saw it and forgot to respond.Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy, what did you learn about me in Zodiac?
Not to mention that it was originally false suspicion I threw towards you because Bullzeye, the person I accused you of saving was on my team. I feel that there's a way you react to pressure that will help show your scumminess.DrWilgy wrote:Muh bad, I saw it and forgot to respond.Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy, what did you learn about me in Zodiac?
I'm not sure really.... I feel like I was onto your baddie vibe but it's hard to describe. You are a man of fluff, but there's a point where it's dangerous. There's also your actions, you were very volatile and hard to lynch. You also were very sassy when it came to my suspicion of you.
Yeah, well I've been gone in that time and come back to find I'm tied for the vote... but I also see you voted half an hour ago and you might note no-one is rushing in to save me... or anyone else who is in the tie vote, interestingly.Long Con wrote:I wasn't aware that would tie him up with two other candidates at three votes apiece. Interesting.... more interesting at least than Golden with 1 vote that doesn't matter.
Why is that suspect? is it possible I missed it?agleaminranks wrote:Actually yeah Wilgy, what did you learn about Epignosis in that mafia game? He's asked you three times during your peak activity and you've completely ignored him. That's pretty suspect.
I hope I'm not alone in seeing this as though it was written extremely half-assed. He's pushing for a Diiny vote, yet advocating that we should be lynching whoever we want to lynch. On top of that, he immediately goes to present some weak justification to go with his hardcore push. It just seems extremely contradictory. He says that he's 'the right choice' but he's not said anything of value in the thread that might lead me to think that. Same with Wilgy's plan. There's absolutely nothing in the thread by him that would explain why he disagrees.Enrique wrote:Hey folks I'd like to remind you that there are six friggin cops so manipulation of tight lynches should be easy. I suggest y'all get your shit together and join me in voting Diiny because he's clearly the right choice
Or come to a consensus yourselves. It's been a way hectic past couple days for me and I'm not really following the game as well as I could be, and I can't say I have many reads besides being freaked out by Diiny's over-eagerness (supatownin?) and general vagueness to his actions.
jeez dudes the game just started why are you being so demanding already
btw wilgy's plan is terrible and the don would have to be a silly billy to go through with it
I ignored the situation? I said it was a terrible idea that each Don would try to avoid at all costs anyway.Quin wrote:I've decided to change my vote to Enrique. I'm going to take sig's word for it that ika's actions are simply a cultural thing, but I've got my
How much information we have determines who wins a game. That's one of my philosophies. That, and ask a shitload of questions and assume everything until proven otherwise. Enrique hasn't been able to provide the amount of information that I'd expect from a townie. The accusation I made of ika on how he ignored the traitor/don situation completely without justifying himself applies to Enrique in the same manner. On top of that, I found one of his latest posts (I'll find it as soon as I post this and explain myself) extremely scummy.
Sloonei un-saved youDrWilgy wrote:Saved muhself
*Wilgy falls over... Stricken down by the sneak attack by Sloon...*Sloonei wrote:Sneak attack last second vote for Wilgy. Hi bye
Sloonei wrote:Sneak attack last second vote for Wilgy. Hi bye
