The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Glorfindel, I have a proposition for you:

People have suspected you for days and days now, and it seems unlikely they'll be changing their minds even if you defend yourself. You've tried that already repeatedly to no avail. How about this: don't defend yourself anymore. Just don't bother. It's a waste of your time. Instead of doing that, focus 100% on baddie hunting, and produce a list of players that you have thoroughly reasoned to be suspects. Even if it ends up being a legacy that you leave behind, it will prove valuable -- more valuable than your efforts at self-defense are likely to be.

Silverwolf wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.

OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?

Of all the posts I've made in this game to provoke such a response from you, why this one? I actually present two possibilities here instead of one.

:P

But really, what is your criticism of my opposition to a Glorfindel lynch today? And by criticism, I mean actual criticism.

I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical we force him to claim. Just make sure number two is someone we have a consensus is scum and make sure Glorf is number one at the end.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Glorfindel, I have a proposition for you:

People have suspected you for days and days now, and it seems unlikely they'll be changing their minds even if you defend yourself. You've tried that already repeatedly to no avail. How about this: don't defend yourself anymore. Just don't bother. It's a waste of your time. Instead of doing that, focus 100% on baddie hunting, and produce a list of players that you have thoroughly reasoned to be suspects. Even if it ends up being a legacy that you leave behind, it will prove valuable -- more valuable than your efforts at self-defense are likely to be.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

Glorfindel wrote:
Before I abandon my constant defence as I indicated I would do, there is something that I want to share with you All (and yes, I am referring to my fellow Town members). I know that when SilverWolf returns as she promised, she will present her case for my lynching. I accept that she most fervently believes that I am Mafia and she will present (presumably a case similar to G-Man's) and I would hope will present facts which alone are ambiguous as to my guilt. What she will propose to you is that my motivation and intent has been pro-Mafia and anti-Town. As was the case with G-man's arguments, the conclusion at which you arrive will be based on your interpretation of events in light of how my motivation.

No matter what SilverWolf or G-Man or anyone else says, they are dead WRONG if they interpret my motives in any other way than in the interests of the Town in this game. I am extremely proud of the fact that I can say that throughout my 87 posts in this game there is not a single lie or deliberate untruth (business as usual for Glorfindel ). Any of you that have played with me before I think will understand the point I'm making here. I have not lied before and I am not lying now. I know there will be some who will dismiss what I've said here as a vapid emotional appeal or the like and that's their right to do so. Personally, there are things though that some of us value above winning a game of Mafia. And if you judge me as an awful Mafia player for that, then it's something I'll happily own up to. I'd also like to make the comparison between this game and life. It's difficult and it's frustrating. There are times you just want to stop and get off and there's times when it can be quite exciting and riveting. But like life, I get the feeling that all of this will only be really understood once it's over.

Silverwolf wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:
Before I abandon my constant defence as I indicated I would do, there is something that I want to share with you All (and yes, I am referring to my fellow Town members). I know that when SilverWolf returns as she promised, she will present her case for my lynching. I accept that she most fervently believes that I am Mafia and she will present (presumably a case similar to G-Man's) and I would hope will present facts which alone are ambiguous as to my guilt. What she will propose to you is that my motivation and intent has been pro-Mafia and anti-Town. As was the case with G-man's arguments, the conclusion at which you arrive will be based on your interpretation of events in light of how my motivation.

No matter what SilverWolf or G-Man or anyone else says, they are dead WRONG if they interpret my motives in any other way than in the interests of the Town in this game. I am extremely proud of the fact that I can say that throughout my 87 posts in this game there is not a single lie or deliberate untruth (business as usual for Glorfindel ). Any of you that have played with me before I think will understand the point I'm making here. I have not lied before and I am not lying now. I know there will be some who will dismiss what I've said here as a vapid emotional appeal or the like and that's their right to do so. Personally, there are things though that some of us value above winning a game of Mafia. And if you judge me as an awful Mafia player for that, then it's something I'll happily own up to. I'd also like to make the comparison between this game and life. It's difficult and it's frustrating. There are times you just want to stop and get off and there's times when it can be quite exciting and riveting. But like life, I get the feeling that all of this will only be really understood once it's over.

First paragraph pre-emptively addresses a case I may be making on him. Why even bother when it's not done yet? What is he worried about?

The second paragraph says nothing of value except asking us to believe he's not lying. What good does this do? Mafia can easily go through a game without lying. They can just withhold information.

I don't care how genuine he seems. His posts say nothing of substance. Try looking at all the words in his posts and see if you see him actually saying anything helpful this game.

Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

Silverwolf wrote:The second paragraph says nothing of value except asking us to believe he's not lying. What good does this do? Mafia can easily go through a game without lying. They can just withhold information.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

Silverwolf wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:
Before I abandon my constant defence as I indicated I would do, there is something that I want to share with you All (and yes, I am referring to my fellow Town members). I know that when SilverWolf returns as she promised, she will present her case for my lynching. I accept that she most fervently believes that I am Mafia and she will present (presumably a case similar to G-Man's) and I would hope will present facts which alone are ambiguous as to my guilt. What she will propose to you is that my motivation and intent has been pro-Mafia and anti-Town. As was the case with G-man's arguments, the conclusion at which you arrive will be based on your interpretation of events in light of how my motivation.

No matter what SilverWolf or G-Man or anyone else says, they are dead WRONG if they interpret my motives in any other way than in the interests of the Town in this game. I am extremely proud of the fact that I can say that throughout my 87 posts in this game there is not a single lie or deliberate untruth (business as usual for Glorfindel ). Any of you that have played with me before I think will understand the point I'm making here. I have not lied before and I am not lying now. I know there will be some who will dismiss what I've said here as a vapid emotional appeal or the like and that's their right to do so. Personally, there are things though that some of us value above winning a game of Mafia. And if you judge me as an awful Mafia player for that, then it's something I'll happily own up to. I'd also like to make the comparison between this game and life. It's difficult and it's frustrating. There are times you just want to stop and get off and there's times when it can be quite exciting and riveting. But like life, I get the feeling that all of this will only be really understood once it's over.

First paragraph pre-emptively addresses a case I may be making on him. Why even bother when it's not done yet? What is he worried about?

The second paragraph says nothing of value except asking us to believe he's not lying. What good does this do? Mafia can easily go through a game without lying. They can just withhold information.

I don't care how genuine he seems. His posts say nothing of substance. Try looking at all the words in his posts and see if you see him actually saying anything helpful this game.

Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

Glorfindel wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:The second paragraph says nothing of value except asking us to believe he's not lying. What good does this do? Mafia can easily go through a game without lying. They can just withhold information.

One last thing, if you were actually aware of what I've written in my posts (that apparently say nothing) you couldn't even make this statement. No Mafia could say everything that I've said and not lie. I'd respectfully suggest that you are more careful with your facts in future. Thank you.

a bunch of cylons wrote:So say we all.

bea wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock! I want an update on S~V~S and your accusation of her. What say you?

Sorry, I just spent the last 10 mins screaming at the top of my lungs at my selfish 17 year old. I think LC thinks I went insane.

I do need to get back on that track and expand on SVS. Really a lot of my thoughts are when she first came into the game she seemed to be Anti-Cylon. Like she thought it was the "in" thing. Then when a consensus came in that you were not evil she seemed to jump on the Cylon train. It just seems way to convenient and opportunistic. Which is words I would use to describe Mafia. I also do not trust any other listed Cylons. If the final five are like the final five of the show then I'm not too worried. I really don't know half the shit that's going on. I am with the humans (with the exception of your role), I do not trust Cylons.

I feel like I just did a tangent. My brain is filled with rage. Anyways SVS = opportunistic = no trust.

Although Black Rock =\= trusting Cylons is likely I will vote Dr Wilgy first. I do need to finish my catch up though.

Please show me exactly where svs was opportunistic

Silverwolf wrote:Everyone goes their own way, with their own shit, and that's a big reason town loses on this site so much.

a2thezebra wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote: Ok so let me just point out the obvious here. There is one "possibly Civ" cylon left (Capricia six) and we have two confirmed cylons alive (Sig and Wigly). You realize that in the LEAST, one of them has to be bad, right? And they both hinted that they are six. Does no one else see this? Seriously? I'm in shock that we are even talking about people outside of these two (well, and glor because Silver didn't try to really hide that one if we are to believe her.) we are still out to kill mafia right?!??

Actually, sig is confirmed civ, not confirmed Cylon. I still want to lynch him though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

Oh well. I coach people. I'm a coach. Among the terms I've often used to describe myself as a Mafia player are "cheerleader" and "head coach" because it's just behavior that I enjoy. I'm going to continue doing it; I don't really give a crap if people think it's buddying or something and suspect me for it. I think it's beneficial both to everyone. There's also a significant benefit to encouraging what I encouraged even if I'm wrong about Glorfindel, so why don't you stop for a minute and think about that.

You're right that I've faded as a contributor. That fading began when two other games featuring JaggedJimmyJay in the player roster began. Thankfully one of those just ended so I might be in a little better shape moving forward. Two is still one more than my typical rules allow. I'll give y'all as much as I can without frying my brain, but I don't promise to get into ISO mania every day. Let's lynch someone that is clearly bad and has clear association so I can do some interactive checks.

Polo wrote:I see that some people, notably sig and Zebra, have shown adamant intent on voting me today. I have a couple of questions for you:

1) Don't you think that if I were mafia and buddies with DrWilgy, I would have rather warned him about the mispell on BTSC chat and hide from any suspicion whatsoever?
2) If, in fact, Wilgy only got immune because of the correct spelling AND he's really mafia, does that make me more of a baddie than he and therefore I should be the one getting lynched instead of the confirmed Cylon?

There's some food for thought.

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

Oh well. I coach people. I'm a coach. Among the terms I've often used to describe myself as a Mafia player are "cheerleader" and "head coach" because it's just behavior that I enjoy. I'm going to continue doing it; I don't really give a crap if people think it's buddying or something and suspect me for it. I think it's beneficial both to everyone. There's also a significant benefit to encouraging what I encouraged even if I'm wrong about Glorfindel, so why don't you stop for a minute and think about that.

You're right that I've faded as a contributor. That fading began when two other games featuring JaggedJimmyJay in the player roster began. Thankfully one of those just ended so I might be in a little better shape moving forward. Two is still one more than my typical rules allow. I'll give y'all as much as I can without frying my brain, but I don't promise to get into ISO mania every day. Let's lynch someone that is clearly bad and has clear association so I can do some interactive checks.

Yet I read it as a teammate interaction as well. JJJ what are your full opinions on me and where do you put me in terms of suspicion compared to others?

DrumBeats wrote:1) He is a nonconfirmed cylon. So many people have cleared him based on speculation that he is Cap Six, but the statistic odds that he is are slim..

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Your turn Wilgy: what baddie strategy do you assert I am employing if Glorfindel is my team mate when I "coach" him the way I did in the thread?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

Ricochet wrote:Six names without salute
Obscure, Polo, Wilgy, Beats
GMan, Vompatti

DrWilgy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Six names without salute
Obscure, Polo, Wilgy, Beats
GMan, Vompatti

Is this in regards to the so say we all?

What is the purpose of that one?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot friend, you cool?

DrWilgy wrote:So say we all.

Rico, thoughts on JJJ?

Zeebs you cool?

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:So say we all.

Rico, thoughts on JJJ?

Zeebs you cool?

Lol too late mate
also I am cool with the
tryhard bro JimJay.

a2thezebra wrote:I know who the captain is. Try to lynch me and I'll spill the beans!

I'm town so stop suspecting me! You have no reason to suspect me when I'm town!

Ricochet wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I know who the captain is. Try to lynch me and I'll spill the beans!

I'm town so stop suspecting me! You have no reason to suspect me when I'm town!

behind the water,
Emperor and Tiger walk.
Cuba starts pulling.

a2thezebra wrote:That being said, the push for Glorfindel's lynch today is utterly absurd, regardless of whether those pushing for his lynch actually want to lynch him or simply pressure him until he claims. Here's the thing...he won't claim, and if he does it will be too late to lynch someone else. I still believe that Silverwolf was forced since she's acting way, way more irrationally today than she was before.

Silverwolf wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:That being said, the push for Glorfindel's lynch today is utterly absurd, regardless of whether those pushing for his lynch actually want to lynch him or simply pressure him until he claims. Here's the thing...he won't claim, and if he does it will be too late to lynch someone else. I still believe that Silverwolf was forced since she's acting way, way more irrationally today than she was before.

Sigh............I can't play like this.

I give up.

Seriously. Nobody is reading a word I say.

Have fun guys. I'm not participating in this.

Silverwolf wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:That being said, the push for Glorfindel's lynch today is utterly absurd, regardless of whether those pushing for his lynch actually want to lynch him or simply pressure him until he claims. Here's the thing...he won't claim, and if he does it will be too late to lynch someone else. I still believe that Silverwolf was forced since she's acting way, way more irrationally today than she was before.

Sigh............I can't play like this.

I give up.

Seriously. Nobody is reading a word I say.

Have fun guys. I'm not participating in this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:That being said, the push for Glorfindel's lynch today is utterly absurd, regardless of whether those pushing for his lynch actually want to lynch him or simply pressure him until he claims. Here's the thing...he won't claim, and if he does it will be too late to lynch someone else. I still believe that Silverwolf was forced since she's acting way, way more irrationally today than she was before.

Sigh............I can't play like this.

I give up.

Seriously. Nobody is reading a word I say.

Have fun guys. I'm not participating in this.

Welcome to my world.