Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I have not read enough of the thread to offer specific comments about who should or should not be in the POE. I have no reason to object to these four names receiving the amount of attention that they are currently receiving.
To be honest if any townie has a shot right now I’d be very happy for them to use it on marmot, w!marmot would cause significant progression.
This is fair, even so, read pages 110-112 I think it’s worthwhile
Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:48 pm It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.
I mean I can come out if I want to. It's 2023.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:18 pmWhy is MR coming out?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:17 pm In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.
Eh, dizzy is more conscious of this stuff as mafia imoMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:57 pm Dyslexicon yanking NAI posts from 12 hours ago and commenting on them without bothering to check whether they are contextually relevant is one thing but that they're doing that instead of pulling alignment indicative quotes and making actual reads is wolfy imo.
I think MR and 112 got townier.
SVS turning on Marmot probably means they are not w/w.
So I'm not happy with my POE so much anymore. Put Guillo and Dizzy in it imo.
I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:51 pmWho are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:48 pm It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.
Because you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
lolParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:13 pm Ok gamers, are you ready to game?
AVADA KEDAVRA MARMOT @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
was this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...
Michelle?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:55 pmI honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:51 pmWho are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:48 pm It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.
So now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:56 pmBecause you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
I think this is how wolf you sets me up.
Give it a 15% chance of hitting for everyone and I'm game.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:59 pmlolParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:13 pm Ok gamers, are you ready to game?
AVADA KEDAVRA MARMOT @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
A part of me hopes that nook adds this mechanic tomorrow for the memes
Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:00 pmMichelle?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:55 pmI honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:51 pmWho are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:48 pm It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.
nutella?
Kate?
Porscha?
sig?
DrWilgy?
So am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals nowMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:00 pmSo now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:56 pmBecause you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
I think this is how wolf you sets me up.
I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".
Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.
MR is just saying he read the post where Iawy was shot by Scotty. You're misreading.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:59 pmwas this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...
I asked my dog and she came and licked my foot which was sooo cuteAlison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:23 pmIn that game you were randomly given the gun by a redirected night action, and you used it well because the mechanical gamestate meant that BlueKang had to be mafia from your point of view. The hypothetical gun giver in this game would have no reason to trust you were town (nobody had you as top town iirc) and no reason to trust that your reads would be particularly good. Someone like nutella is far more consensus town and also far more likely to have good reads - so I am wondering why this gun giver chose to give you the gun and not her.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:48 pmOh, as to your last point- I don’t know- last time I got 2 guns, I shot and killed you in endgame to win. So…there’s that?Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:47 pmYou’re twisting your own words tho. Of course you can trust iawy because he flipped. You literally said because he was in the poe (implying before being flipped) he had better reads in general.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:39 pmIt doesn't matter how good your reads are if I think you are mafia. I only care about the goodness of your reads if I think you are town in the first place.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:42 pm Huh.
This isn’t so much a gotcha as it is a logical fallacy from my POV.
>“Iawy has decent reads in general” is pretty subjective. Who’s to say mine aren’t decent?
> “POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread”
Ok, so. I have a green check on myself.
>”This is enough to put him in the POE”
To put it another way: ‘I like the taste of beef burgers’
‘If someone makes a beef burger, odds are it’ll be good’
‘Someone made a fake beef burger’
‘I’m not even going to bother trying that garbage’
IAWY flipped town so I can trust him. What reasons have you provided me to trust you? Mac and Sloonei see something in your posting which is the only reason I'm keeping you out of the POE, but I haven't seen you do anything pro town other than shoot IAWY... which could easily have been a loud shot you are pretending is a silent one for cred.
I see that someone mentioned you were gifted a shot. Why do you think you out of all people were selected for that gift?
But we’re talking in circles
You're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:02 pmSo am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals nowMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:00 pmSo now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:56 pmBecause you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
I think this is how wolf you sets me up.
I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".
Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.
Ok.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:03 pmYou're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:02 pmSo am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals nowMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:00 pmSo now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:56 pmBecause you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
I think this is how wolf you sets me up.
I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".
Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.
Yes. Glad you got there.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:04 pmOk.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:03 pmYou're getting mixed signals because I have mixed feelings.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:02 pmSo am i town confirmation biasing or scum who deserves to be PiEd? Cause im getting mi ed signals nowMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:00 pmSo now I'm a wolf trying to spew you as my wolf teammate by emulating our distancing meta?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:56 pmBecause you and I have played in the past as scum together and there are a handful f people who knows this is how you and I distance as wolves, by wolf reading each other, throwing shade at each other but never making the push strong enough to get the other executed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 pm Guillotine how can your mindset be that I'm not pushing you for elimination when you've literally quoted and replied to posts I made with you in the lower of my POE?
I think this is how wolf you sets me up.
I'm pretty sure at this point you'd scumread me if I suicide bombed the whole mafia team and flipped town. "Must be janitored".
Seriously I can't actually convince you I'm town if your confirmation bias and paranoia is this level so there's no real reason to engage with you. Go off King.
Mac is town.
Agreed.
Kind of a moot path to go downMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:38 pm Possibility that Golden, Alison, Mac contains a wolf? Of course.
Probability? Well from my perspective no it's not probable. And because it's not probable it's not something I think should be being remonstrated in the thread where other players less immersed in the game are forced to swim through where more productive content could instead be placed.
And even if it were probable, unless you think that the net result of the day 2 chop is improved by highlighting this fact over and over, it's probably better to keep it as an idea and actually force the wolf/s between us to kill a weaker teammate via the POE play that we've committed ourselves to, because the alternative is probably just a quite random end of day where the wolves just easily manipulate the wagon onto the scummiest townie.
Lol. So many who have to learn the hard way. I’m very far out of my wolfrange.
Unrelated to this post, its just something I thought of when I saw Dyslexicons profile picture. Has Ender done anything back and forth with Dys? Point against if not because by now they should have sorted each other out and I have seen nothing and I have read the whole game bar catching up todayDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:54 pmI think PC's reaction to you at EoD is actually very towny if you think about it. I swear there was something else relating to claim business that also made them towny to me, but I can't find it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:32 pm POE
112
ender
golden
iawy
party crashers
sig
@sig if ur town can u do the things that make it obvious for me thx
Eh, I kinda think you both are town
It was pyxxy duhRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:59 pmwas this resolved? Is it MR or Scotty who shot IAWY?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...
3P? So you townread me then? A solo 3P is the same as town, they dont know who scum is.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:05 pm Like it's a perfect time to point out that on multiple occasions you have slammed the hammer down on people, self included, for not treating you like outed mafia even though we suspect you. Which is demonstrably irrational because there are other people who can be scummier, reads have differing levels of confidence. For your play to make sense the sentence "if you suspect Guillo he must be your entire scum suspect pool and you must never doubt yourself" would have to be factually true. When it's demonstrably absurd and also inhuman to hold people to that standard.
It's actually got me convinced you're a 3p.
I would be first in line!
I too like to vote people in their town meta.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:38 amAre you saying it feels like the wolf Rondo or town Rondo?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:23 am So, little bit of meta for people.
Rondo has compulsive balls-to-walls-itis as wolf.
When he gets strong heat his instinctual reaction is to do something outlandish. Aiming for the "But why would Rondo do that as wolf?"
Now unless I'm suddenly developing my own mental disorder, I believe today's progression goes:
People sus Rondo
Rondo starts trying to burn Mac alive
Which feels a looooot like the meta I know of Rondo.
Is there a specific reason, something you've noted and can point to, or is it gut feels?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:22 pm There is def a wolf in Mac, Alison, Golden, Neon dynamic.
Sure Guillo whatever you say. The content we are generating would be making immersion incredibly difficult for people in catch up mode.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:08 pm3P? So you townread me then? A solo 3P is the same as town, they dont know who scum is.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:05 pm Like it's a perfect time to point out that on multiple occasions you have slammed the hammer down on people, self included, for not treating you like outed mafia even though we suspect you. Which is demonstrably irrational because there are other people who can be scummier, reads have differing levels of confidence. For your play to make sense the sentence "if you suspect Guillo he must be your entire scum suspect pool and you must never doubt yourself" would have to be factually true. When it's demonstrably absurd and also inhuman to hold people to that standard.
It's actually got me convinced you're a 3p.
Im not 3P but it works as unaligned with scum so, i will take it.
Yeah, I haven't actually sorted Ender. But some of the things he posts makes me feel sane and hopeful.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:06 pmUnrelated to this post, its just something I thought of when I saw Dyslexicons profile picture. Has Ender done anything back and forth with Dys? Point against if not because by now they should have sorted each other out and I have seen nothing and I have read the whole game bar catching up today
We need to do back and forth.
It all starts with Golden magically townreading Mac enough to trust his PoE, which lead to trust Alison for getting me out of PoE even though Golden does not trust me themselves.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:11 pmIs there a specific reason, something you've noted and can point to, or is it gut feels?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:22 pm There is def a wolf in Mac, Alison, Golden, Neon dynamic.
I didnt say your PoE was poopoo, i said it was PooPoo because im in it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:13 pm @Guillotine you said earlier my POE was poopoo. Can you give me detailed reads on all the people in it that aren't you?