Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

#6001

zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.
Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.

How are you feeling about DF being The Master at the moment?

#6002

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.
Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.
How are you feeling about DF being The Master at the moment?

I don't know. It's less clear cut than the cybers. I think there is more than just Elo who could be in the frame for the Master. I want to lynch a baddies and Bass seems to have better odd of flipping bad. The longer the game goes on, the stronger the master is however.

#6003

zeek wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.
Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.
How are you feeling about DF being The Master at the moment?
I don't know. It's less clear cut than the cybers. I think there is more than just Elo who could be in the frame for the Master. I want to lynch a baddies and Bass seems to have better odd of flipping bad. The longer the game goes on, the stronger the master is however.

I understand completely, I'm in a similar predicament.

Chris · #6004

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
zeek wrote:Bass and Snowy haven't voted yet.
Three guesses which way Snow will vote.
Thats whats making me think about my own vote. Seems likely they're teammates and for all I know their third member hasn't voted either. It does seem more certain they are bad.
How are you feeling about DF being The Master at the moment?
I don't know. It's less clear cut than the cybers. I think there is more than just Elo who could be in the frame for the Master. I want to lynch a baddies and Bass seems to have better odd of flipping bad. The longer the game goes on, the stronger the master is however.
I understand completely, I'm in a similar predicament.

Bass isn't more likely to be bad.

He is bad. Count on that.

#6005

Positivism is dead.

Long live the alternative.

#6006

Going back to Bass. Sorry Chris.

#6007

Chris wrote:
Bass isn't more likely to be bad.

He is bad. Count on that.

I'm pretty much on the same page there. I just can't fathom Bass being a civvie in any scenario, can you?

What are you thinking then, Chris? Still think a DF vote is a worthwhile endeavor or not as much?

Chris · #6008

OK, let's just say we all just vote Bass today. Where do we go from there? After Snow, do we have any good idea who to look at next?

And then at what point do we decide to address The Master? And don't we sorta need the help of the Cybers to try to kill The Master?

#6009

I just think we need a stronger case, I presume Strax and the Cybers will targets him tonight so we'll have an answer then

#6010

Chris wrote:OK, let's just say we all just vote Bass today. Where do we go from there? After Snow, do we have any good idea who to look at next?

And then at what point do we decide to address The Master? And don't we sorta need the help of the Cybers to try to kill The Master?

Okay, if we all vote Bass, then I would hope the Strax and Cyber NKs tonight would be made in attempts to uncover The Master, since there's only a limited number of possibilities, right? All it would take is potentially one kill to give us a lead for tomorrow to attempt to lynch. There's also Snowy too, but maybe if something happens during the night we can try a Master lynch tomorrow?

I'm starting to think there's just too much uncertainty about DF this time around, maybe. All it would take is 1 NK from either Strax or Cybers tonight to expose him as The Master, so we could catch him tomorrow, right?

Am I missing something?

Linki w/ zeek

#6011

Another plus to voting Bass is then we'll have a better idea of who the Controller is, and that could be useful in the future for Strax as well. I thought maybe you had a better idea of who the Controller was, Chris, but I suppose there are some complicating factors.

I think I just talked myself out of a DF vote, frankly. As much as I'd like to make Master progress today. Damn.

Chris · #6012

I'm also torn.

On one hand, I feel like lynching Bass will get us either The Cyber Controller or the role blocker. I suppose that info will add to the pool of info. And if Bass is the role blocker, there's no more chance of Strax being blocked. But then again, if Bass is the role blocker, he can block DF is he survives the NK.

I'm still very tempted to explorer this DF thing. I mean, what if Epig and I are right? How much more time do we have to try to kill him?

LINKI @ MP: Yes, Strax can't target him tonight. Double targeting and shit...

#6013

I wouldn't try to kill the Master. Sorry- that's a wasted kill from my FEB experience that helps civilians figure things out.

Chris · #6014

Epignosis wrote:I wouldn't try to kill the Master. Sorry- that's a wasted kill from my FEB experience that helps civilians figure things out.

What?

#6015

Oh, that's a really good point, Chris, I forgot about that. I suppose Strax can't target DF... so we would have to hope that the Cybers would do so tonight. I don't see why they wouldn't though, they want to get rid of him as much as we do, if not more so.

Linki: Okay... I'm confused as well.

Chris · #6016

I look at it like this.

If we lynch Bass today, DF gets targeted by the Cybers tonight. That's 2 down, 2 left till he's dead. That means then we try to lynch DF on day 11, and he survives, and then lynch him again on day 12. That's if there are no shenanigans.

Are we okay with waiting until day 12 to kill The Master?

I'm not.

#6017

But what if, on the off chance, DF isn't The Master?

Chris · #6018

Epignosis wrote:I wouldn't try to kill the Master. Sorry- that's a wasted kill from my FEB experience that helps civilians figure things out.

I think he's saying that if he were the Cyber Controller, he wouldn't be trying to kill The Master. Which may or may not be accurate. There's times when you have to work together... like now.

Linki @ MP: I know. If that happens, where do we go from there? Do we go right to Elo? Or fall back to the Cybers? I just can't shake the feeling like if we don't address The Master now, we may not get the chance to again.

Like I said, if not now, when?

#6019

Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.

#6020

Well, there are 16 of us left before the lynch, 15 if Bass gets lynched, so we should still have time to nab The Master, right?

I understand though, we're getting close to a point where it might be tough to nail him if we can't pin him down correctly.

Linki w/ S~V~S: Good point. I also think Bass is a recruit too.

I think we might be trying to do too much with one lynch, Chris. Let's just not panic, take it one step at a time, see what happens tonight, and then we can always lynch DF or go from there. At least The Master can only be one of a few people, right?

#6021

Meh. I guess I'm changing my vote back to Bass. I don't think we can rally up the support anymore for a DF lynch today even if we wanted to, Chris.

We'll just have to use info gleaned from tonight to try to catch The Master ASAP.

#6022

I'm voting DF.

#6023

Chris wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I wouldn't try to kill the Master. Sorry- that's a wasted kill from my FEB experience that helps civilians figure things out.
What?

I am saying that if I had a kill, I wouldn't use it to kill The Master. Nope.

#6024

S~V~S wrote:Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.

If I was a recruit don't you think the vote would be a little closer come on now really I think thats reaching a little. Everyone is saying i'm bad because of the way I voted and because they think I was on a team with the role checker but when I bring someone else up they think I'm wrong so where is the logic in that.

#6025

But wouldn't the Cybers want to help narrow down The Master too? What if The Master makes it to endgame with two or three protections?

#6026

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.
If I was a recruit don't you think the vote would be a little closer come on now really I think thats reaching a little. Everyone is saying i'm bad because of the way I voted and because they think I was on a team with the role checker but when I bring someone else up they think I'm wrong so where is the logic in that.

This defense makes little to no sense though.

1) Rox's lynch was far from "a little closer". She got 9 votes against her that day. And she was recruited.

2) You were supposed to be lynched yesterday and you weren't and there was a lynch switch. So what motivation, if you were recruited, would anyone else on your team possibly have to defend you? It'd be suicide.

#6027

MovingPictures07 wrote:But wouldn't the Cybers want to help narrow down The Master too? What if The Master makes it to endgame with two or three protections?

They would be dumb if they didn't. If the master got to the end game with 2 protections and a kill there would be no shot for anyone else to win.

#6028

Is everyone here recruited ffs?

#6029

Also, Bass, you're simplifying the arguments against you. Just because someone is accused of having accurate "baddie hunting" skills due to being on a team with a rolechecker, does NOT mean that everyone that person suspects is bad. Baddies obviously want civvies dead too.

So I frankly don't trust anything coming out of a baddie's mouth. Who knows what it could be? I did that for even a second earlier with MM and threw out that possibility of TH 2.0 being The Master and I couldn't have been more wrong.

Linki: Precisely, that's my thoughts on the matter anyway.

#6030

Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?

What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?

#6031

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Bass is a sure thing, plus I think he's a recruit. If the recruiters conditions are standard cult conditions, like in AG & Fight Club, they just need to outnumber us to win. So keeping cult numbers down is important as well.

Linki, and yeah, theres that. This theory is based on a lot of supposition. And I can tell you that at least one supposition is wrong. So Faraday could be the Master, but it is also possible he is not.
If I was a recruit don't you think the vote would be a little closer come on now really I think thats reaching a little. Everyone is saying i'm bad because of the way I voted and because they think I was on a team with the role checker but when I bring someone else up they think I'm wrong so where is the logic in that.
This defense makes little to no sense though.

1) Rox's lynch was far from "a little closer". She got 9 votes against her that day. And she was recruited.

2) You were supposed to be lynched yesterday and you weren't and there was a lynch switch. So what motivation, if you were recruited, would anyone else on your team possibly have to defend you? It'd be suicide.

They only reason I can see the switch being used on me is so we go though all this today and waste another lynch to buy someone else more time. Because really the switched did nothing for me except make me stay in the spotlight.

#6032

Fair enough, that's definitely a possibility. Guess we'll find out for sure.

#6033

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?

i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.

#6034

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?
i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.

Are you kidding me? We've had this conversation multiple times.

Watch, I'll even refresh your memory. Just give me a minute here.

#6035

basically MP you do not believe any of my answers but yoy never answr my questions. if you are not recruited I'll eat my ...........dunno what

#6036

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?
i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.

For me, you seem to align yourself with Bass and he seems suspect. Do you not find him suspicious?

#6037

MP - you still thnk Snow Dog is bad? Come on, man. It is seriously unfair to blame the lynch switch on him. You voted TH, too. You remind of two knuckleheads in a cartoon doing something stupid that backfires, and the minute it does backfire, one knucklehead turns to the other and blames him, even though it was the first knucklehead's idea.

Strax, please don't NK Snow. I'll stake my reputation on Snow Dog being a civilian.

#6038

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?
i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.
Are you kidding me? We've had this conversation multiple times.

Watch, I'll even refresh your memory. Just give me a minute here.

Please. dont patronise with me. ive waited for your reply about my behaviour during some lynch or other TWICE!!!

You are so recruited..who was it hedge?

#6039

There are two unknown roles in my opinion. John lumic and Davros. bth recruiters.

Recruiters for the win you dumbasses. lol

#6040

Here's where I showed why you are bad: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 098#p92098
Here's where I showed why Bass was bad: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 089#p92089

Among other posts, and others were I brought these up.

Not to mention both of you are undeniably tied together when you make posts like this:

Snow Dog wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Why because how I voted?
Don't bother man, they've made there minds up and ain't nothing gonna change it.

And then you contradict yourself when you've said I was recruited, then you make this post:

Snow Dog wrote:RIP TH. I am sorry the way that went down. I thought I'd caught you out as, if not the Master, then someone bad. when MM seemed to slip up.

When The doctor said he though you were the Master and voted for you it seemed to fit. We trust the Doc right? So I did and voted for him too expecting others to follow.

Chris. I didn't vote for you because you are not the Master. Well i don't think you are.

Then you go back to say I'm recruited now.

I've not been recruited. I just really, really think you're bad. I'm sorry, Snowy, it pains me, especially after I knocked your 1.0 incarnation out by being wrong, and since I love playing with you. But there's no denying it.

Linki w/ Snow: Waited for my reply, Snowy? WTF man, I've said over and over why I think you're bad.

Linki w/ keys: Dude, I wouldn't say shit like that, your reputation is going to be tarnished.

#6041

Snow Dog wrote:There are two unknown roles in my opinion. John lumic and Davros. bth recruiters.

Recruiters for the win you dumbasses. lol

Scare tactics.

You can't even give one single proof of evidence why I'm "recruited" yet you think saying it over and over again will somehow make it right. But you're wrong. I haven't been recruited.

#6042

zeek wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?
What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?
i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.
For me, you seem to align yourself with Bass and he seems suspect. Do you not find him suspicious?

Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?

#6043

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:There are two unknown roles in my opinion. John lumic and Davros. bth recruiters.

Recruiters for the win you dumbasses. lol
Scare tactics.

You can't even give one single proof of evidence why I'm "recruited" yet you think saying it over and over again will somehow make it right. But you're wrong. I haven't been recruited.

Keep saying it.

#6044

keys, even if you absolve Snowy of the lynch switch, there's no denying he's tied to Bass and that he's been suspicious.

I just don't understand how you see Bass as suspicious but not Snowy.

#6045

Snow Dog wrote:Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?

What makes you more sure of those two, over Bass?

I'm glad you trust me but I feel like if I disagree with you you'll say I've been recruited as well. I haven't, I'm the same old loveable zeek.

#6046

I didn't contradict myself MP. As you know i also said whether recruited or not you would want the Master dead. I said that. its in a post.

#6047

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:There are two unknown roles in my opinion. John lumic and Davros. bth recruiters.

Recruiters for the win you dumbasses. lol
Scare tactics.

You can't even give one single proof of evidence why I'm "recruited" yet you think saying it over and over again will somehow make it right. But you're wrong. I haven't been recruited.
Keep saying it.

Tell me how you said this:

Snow Dog wrote:RIP TH. I am sorry the way that went down. I thought I'd caught you out as, if not the Master, then someone bad. when MM seemed to slip up.

When The doctor said he though you were the Master and voted for you it seemed to fit. We trust the Doc right? So I did and voted for him too expecting others to follow.

Chris. I didn't vote for you because you are not the Master. Well i don't think you are.

Amid all of your "MP is recruited" talk.

It's because you're making crap up.

Chris · #6048

Snow, for me, your vote placement tells me you are the Cyber Head. Plain and simple. (Where you hid your votes)

Your vote record just compounds my believe that you are bad. (Who you voted, when, and why)

But for what it's worth, I don't want you to die just yet. I want the civs and the Cybers to team up to take out The Master and the recruiter/recruitment team.

Just put that vote on DF.

#6049

How is "We trust the Doc right?" equal to "You've been recruited", said with absolute confidence.

It isn't.

#6050

Well i am going to vote DF or Hedge. The master needs to go. i won't vote bass even though evryone says he's cyber (you could be right) but the Master is the greater threat.

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