The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:01 pm**

Also Silver, you never answered this question:

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.
OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?
Of all the posts I've made in this game to provoke such a response from you, why this one? I actually present two possibilities here instead of one.

:P

But really, what is your criticism of my opposition to a Glorfindel lynch today? And by criticism, I mean actual criticism.
I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical we force him to claim. Just make sure number two is someone we have a consensus is scum and make sure Glorf is number one at the end.
Wouldn't it have been wiser to force him to claim before admitting that you'll be pushing for his lynch?

I mean considering that I myself have threatened to claim if I end up being the lynch candidate for today.

Maybe if you had answered it, I wouldn't have expressed the same disdain for a Glorfindel lynch attempt that I did earlier.

Since you didn't answer it however, and since I haven't seen any sort of elaboration from you on the subject of what voting for Glorfindel will actually accomplish, I don't think you're in a position to get angry when I say that I still think that you're forced and that a Glorfindel lynch isn't the way to go. I mean who's not reading whose posts exactly?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:05 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Holy crap where have you been? You've missed like two day phases now, care to explain?

What the flying frak
are you on about on what
about you are on.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:07 pm**

I mean you yourself said that you're going to push for Glorfindel hard this day phase, doesn't part of that entail convincing the unenlightened such as myself to follow in your footsteps? Which may be accomplished by communicating with me as opposed to saying that I don't think before posting and dismissing my questions/criticisms of your plan as if it's self-evident that you're right?

linki - What?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:08 pm**

Answer the question,
he shouted like McEnroe
on a tennis court.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:08 pm**

It's ironic that the people complaining about others not following the thread are the only ones clearly not following the thread.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:10 pm**

Like if you got a play style beef take it up with the mods. This is how I do.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:19 pm**

zebra, enlighten
on whether marsh and bea
are baddies to you

bea, enlighten
on whether marsh and zebra
are baddies to you

marmot, enlighten
whether zebra and bea
are baddies to you

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:23 pm**

Fuck, he got us. Okay how are we going to go about this?

I think the best course of action is for you bea, to say that you think I might be bad but that you're not sure. Try not to make it to waffly of course. As for you MM, I suggest you read me as bad because I pretended not to notice your question about thinking you're quiet or whatever. But it's your call guys, I don't care as long as I don't get mislynched because I'm town.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:24 pm**

Also, what are baddies? Is that like a thing that people with "reads" talk about?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:26 pm**

Still 15 pages behind...

I believe in President Roslin, and don't think she would've created the Marmot Can't Be NK'd Act unless she was positive he was civilian.

We all agree on this correct?

Marmot - If you had to pick one player in the game who you think would attempt to frame you, who would it be?

I'm seriously going to try and catch up today peeps, be back later.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:42 pm**

So Say We All!

Dammit I skimmed Golden's ISO to see who died and saw Cain was dead. RIH LC btw.

Forgot the phrase. So happy Adama's back, tho, I don't even care if I'm punished! WOOT!!

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 1:44 pm**

Authoritative vote lists are still pending from the host but here's what I've got. There is a question in my mind over when DrWilgy's Day 4 vote for sig counted. He did it earlier in the day and just used sig's name in red. Later in the day he said he voted for real with the more standard format. I'll revise if necessary once Golden gets his lists up.

DAY 1

Spoiler: show

DAY 2

Spoiler: show

DAY 3

Spoiler: show

DAY 4

Spoiler: show

DAY 5

Spoiler: show

There is a lot of uncertainty in this game due to the mechanics at work. A lack of awareness of faction composition prevents me from using the terms civvie and baddie (and even indy in the case of Long Con). Are we going to be told if an otherwise presumed human role is actually Final Five? And then there is the theory that not all Toasters have BTSC. Do just bad Toasters have BSTC? Do any of them have BTSC? Other than Last Man Standing, I've never played a game where BTSC was such a question mark. I think everyone that has been lynched has claimed to not have BTSC. Do we believe any of them?

One of the things that these technicolors help me with is hunting for teammate behavior in the votes. It really pays dividends in the second half of a game because it's not always something baddies think about early on. But if the existence of BTSC is in question, should I even keep doing these? They take a while to work up (especially without authoritative vote lists since the poll positions can't always be trusted

).

I gotta get back to work. I'm going to re-read the night and today's content after dinner.

FWIW, I feel you in regards to Glorfindel, Silverwolf. My case on him is mostly context, positioning, and tone. He's dancing the right dance but the moves feel more than a little off to me. I have yet to see him make anything close to a formal slip but it still feels like a facade to me nonetheless.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:02 pm**

Zebra-I don't even know what question you are asking? Would it have been wiser to force him to claim rather than push for his lynch? I'm trying to achieve both because he needs to claim today. When he gets run up and then the lynch fails, then we need to have the second scummiest person lined up. If it's someone who hasn't claimed, then the third needs to be lined up. This takes careful coordination and civs working together and I'm frustrated because I don't see that. I don't feel like people are reading my posts because I've made my thoughts on Glorf pretty clear. He needs to claim today. This is a fact. I think Dex got what I mean. I'm hoping others did too.

Dex-You say you want Rico in second? Can you lay out why you think he's bad?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:03 pm**

Matt wrote:Still 15 pages behind...

I believe in President Roslin, and don't think she would've created the Marmot Can't Be NK'd Act unless she was positive he was civilian.

We all agree on this correct?

Marmot - If you had to pick one player in the game who you think would attempt to frame you, who would it be?

I'm seriously going to try and catch up today peeps, be back later.

Easy choice for me, the one who ignored my question and proceed to pretend we were on a team together (zebra).

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:04 pm**

Spoiler: show

a2thezebra wrote:Also Silver, you never answered this question:

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.
OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?
Of all the posts I've made in this game to provoke such a response from you, why this one? I actually present two possibilities here instead of one.

:P

But really, what is your criticism of my opposition to a Glorfindel lynch today? And by criticism, I mean actual criticism.
I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical we force him to claim. Just make sure number two is someone we have a consensus is scum and make sure Glorf is number one at the end.
Wouldn't it have been wiser to force him to claim before admitting that you'll be pushing for his lynch?

I mean considering that I myself have threatened to claim if I end up being the lynch candidate for today.
Maybe if you had answered it, I wouldn't have expressed the same disdain for a Glorfindel lynch attempt that I did earlier.

Since you didn't answer it however, and since I haven't seen any sort of elaboration from you on the subject of what voting for Glorfindel will actually accomplish, I don't think you're in a position to get angry when I say that I still think that you're forced and that a Glorfindel lynch isn't the way to go. I mean who's not reading whose posts exactly?

You expect other people to answer your questions? Interesting, very interesting...

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:05 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:07 pm**

Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:08 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spoiler: show
a2thezebra wrote:Also Silver, you never answered this question:

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.
OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?
Of all the posts I've made in this game to provoke such a response from you, why this one? I actually present two possibilities here instead of one.

:P

But really, what is your criticism of my opposition to a Glorfindel lynch today? And by criticism, I mean actual criticism.
I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical we force him to claim. Just make sure number two is someone we have a consensus is scum and make sure Glorf is number one at the end.
Wouldn't it have been wiser to force him to claim before admitting that you'll be pushing for his lynch?

I mean considering that I myself have threatened to claim if I end up being the lynch candidate for today.
Maybe if you had answered it, I wouldn't have expressed the same disdain for a Glorfindel lynch attempt that I did earlier.

Since you didn't answer it however, and since I haven't seen any sort of elaboration from you on the subject of what voting for Glorfindel will actually accomplish, I don't think you're in a position to get angry when I say that I still think that you're forced and that a Glorfindel lynch isn't the way to go. I mean who's not reading whose posts exactly?
You expect other people to answer your questions? Interesting, very interesting...

Do I know you?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:10 pm**

Ricochet wrote:marmot, enlighten
whether zebra and bea
are baddies to you

I think zebra's being deliberate with her playstyle this game. The thing that gives me pause is that like myself, I know it's something she would do regardless of alignment. The reason I want to lynch her is that I find some of her statements unproductive and baseless, or maybe I just don't see eye-to-eye with her.

I did want to lynch bea for not claiming Cylon. I feel less interested in that notion since Cain is dead. I also couldn't explain to you why I wanted to lynch bea for it, but not OA. I guess it's a tone thing. I've come to trust OA for some reason. I do think bea's a Cylon though. Whether she started the game as one or not, I have no idea. I don't know how or when the Final Five will be alerted of their status.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:12 pm**

Baseless no shit, but unproductive? Please.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:12 pm**

This game can only be won if we work together on this.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:13 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Baseless no shit, but unproductive? Please.

Some, not all. :P

I've said it before, you've posted more content than I do.

Linki:

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:13 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:13 pm**

@G-Man, I fake voted Sig then real voted him afterwards based on his reaction. Both are there.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:36 pm**

Silverwolf wrote:Dex-You say you want Rico in second? Can you lay out why you think he's bad?

His reasons for not declaring are complete and utter BS.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:37 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?

You do realize that you just answered your question in the post right above this one right? Never mind that I've been answering it in my own way for over twelve hours now.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:38 pm**

People don't take a hint, so you throw them a bone. When they don't take the bone, then what do you do?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:41 pm**

heh heh heh... Zebra said bone...

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:43 pm**

If someone with a moderate post count asks someone with a higher post count why they've been quiet, what do you think that means?

If when the person with the higher post count asks them "how am I quiet" they respond by completely ignoring them and instead allowing them to display for the entire crowd just how narrow their focus is and how lacking their drive to find baddies is, what do you think that means?

Quiet is not about how little you speak, it's about how quietly you speak.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:43 pm**

*and they respond

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:44 pm**

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:46 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, how am I quiet?
You do realize that you just answered your question in the post right above this one right? Never mind that I've been answering it in my own way for over twelve hours now.

You waited until the eighth time I asked to tell me I already answered it?

Why couldn't you answer it before and save us the trouble? Why can't you answer it in your own words now?

Why do you play these games with someone as boneheaded as I?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:47 pm**

A2thezebra, why do we fall?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:48 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote: You waited until the eighth time I asked to tell me I already answered it?

Why couldn't you answer it before and save us the trouble? Why can't you answer it in your own words now?

Why do you play these games with someone as boneheaded as I?

To illustrate a point, to fuck with you, and to see how many times you would ask.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:49 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A2thezebra, why do we fall?

Not to overreact but I am sick of this question. I hated it in the Arkham game and I hate it now.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:51 pm**

It just feels like a cheap way of making someone think that they're not going about things the right way without bothering to explain how or why.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:52 pm**

I vote Glorfindel.

On principle. My friend.

Time to take a break.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:54 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Fuck, he got us. Okay how are we going to go about this?

I think the best course of action is for you bea, to say that you think I might be bad but that you're not sure. Try not to make it to waffly of course. As for you MM, I suggest you read me as bad because I pretended not to notice your question about thinking you're quiet or whatever. But it's your call guys, I don't care as long as I don't get mislynched because I'm town.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:56 pm**

Dex wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Dex-You say you want Rico in second? Can you lay out why you think he's bad?
His reasons for not declaring are complete and utter BS.

No fraks are given
Barky barky bark bark
Claim when there is gain

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 2:57 pm**

Using my drugs checker
I have confirmation that
Zebra is on them

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:00 pm**

Ricochet wrote:Using my drugs checker
I have confirmation that
Zebra is on them

Actually, my most baseless and unfathomable posts in this game have all been written, read, and published sober. Only the most logical and reasonable of my posts so far were composed and published under the influence of drugs.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:02 pm**

This post, for example, was created under the influence of black meat.

a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:After R

r~~ ~~n~~ r~~~e~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ r~~ ~~r~~n ~~~~~
"retreat to"
Third word:

Raiders
Rollers
Raiment
Rangers
Rappers
It can't be any of these except raiment since there's no "s" at the end of the third word.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:33 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?

Glorfindel needs to claim today. Even if he does it at the last minute and the lynch is diverted to someone else he needs to claim. The only way that is gonna happen is if we put him in the lead. If I have to case him, fine but I think a lot of his posts are words with no substance. He's a cylon hiding among the non-claimers and odds are good he's not a good one. Now, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over. He needs to claim today.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:36 pm**

Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?
Glorfindel needs to claim today. Even if he does it at the last minute and the lynch is diverted to someone else he needs to claim. The only way that is gonna happen is if we put him in the lead. If I have to case him, fine but I think a lot of his posts are words with no substance. He's a cylon hiding among the non-claimers and odds are good he's not a good one. Now, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over. He needs to claim today.

And in the spirit of not repeating ourselves, this will be the last time I attempt to get this through your head: He. Won't. Claim.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:39 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?
Glorfindel needs to claim today. Even if he does it at the last minute and the lynch is diverted to someone else he needs to claim. The only way that is gonna happen is if we put him in the lead. If I have to case him, fine but I think a lot of his posts are words with no substance. He's a cylon hiding among the non-claimers and odds are good he's not a good one. Now, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over. He needs to claim today.
And in the spirit of not repeating ourselves, this will be the last time I attempt to get this through your head: He. Won't. Claim.

Then we put him up as the number one lynch, and he dies.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:40 pm**

It. Won't. Work.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:47 pm**

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:49 pm**

ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:53 pm**

ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

Certain yet again?

a2thezebra wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.
You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

Wilgy can no longer claim;
Are they the others?

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2016 3:57 pm**

ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

OA, what makes you think I'm mafia? anything to comment on regarding my content other than what I've stated about you?

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