The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:59 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:07 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:03 am ok, so the carrotte lie isn't really a lie and i can feel better that she's town now. n3, when she claimed to have checked macdougall, a member of her tri was killed (KZA). usually that means half your glory disappears. but it was confirmed her action would go through n3 and she'd lose it after. @Carotenoid were you buffed by someone? epi confirmed when someone gives us sols or stats, we are alerted. if you were, can you tell me which night?

macdougall only managed to get enough glory on n3 despite having 2 alive members in his tri until yesterday? do we actually believe that? that's 15 sols he had earned by that point. he has 1.0 on night 3, if his claim is to be believed. tony is mislynched, bringing the total sols he can earn in one phase to 2. macdougall loses half his glory at the end of the day phase going into night 4 because of tony's demise so he's at 0.5 glory. he needs 0.5 glory which costs...well 0.4 glory costs 9sols and 0.1 glory costs 3 sols so if i'm doing the math right, that's a lie. he doesn't have enough glory to check anyone therefore his red claim is BS. and i also don't believe he didn't have enough glory before n3 to use his action in the first place. he's an "alignment cop" that's the only thing he should have been wasting his sols on so i don't believe him saying otherwise like "oh i buffed up my presence" -- come on.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think of my attempt at mechanically solving something for the first time in my life.
I’ll have to run through your numbers but looks fine on surface? If Mac is lying maybe should’ve waited to see who he red checked but not a big deal. Lemme run through numbers and see if this is solid or if I can break it. As in typing this I think I can break it maybe, we’ll see

oh hmmm

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:01 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:23 am Oh yeah that’s a good catch from carot, thanks

Sorry dunia most mechanical play looks like this, one person having a good looking idea and a couple others well actually-ing it

lol k

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:02 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:24 am nah no result

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:02 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:36 am Also, whoever smashed my stuff had better have been scum - very good decision, if so. If you're town, then it's mostly your fault if we lose the game.

???

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:03 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:56 pm why would you assume he voted his red check when he specifically said he didn't want to claim who it was yet

this is very weird dunya

Tbf it’s not usually a bad assumption

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:05 pm**

i just ignore nutella's read and development on me when i know she's town. it makes...my life easier and less stressful.

nothing you say will convince her otherwise, so why bother?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:05 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:08 am
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:03 am what do you think of mac's "alignment cop" claim?
Honestly I just feel really clueless, especially since moth also claimed to be a cop?
moth claimed role cop, so he targets people and knows their roles

but both of you and mac have claimed traditional cops. did you start with 0.4 or 0.6 glory, if you dont mind me asking?

technically moth claimed that he sends other people roles
he said something like his target learns the role of the person they voted for

ftr a straight role cop is traditionally more commonly a scum role so would be kinda silly to claim but his claim is just oddly specific enough that I believe it. whether it can't still be a scum role, I haven't thought much about

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:08 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:15 am Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels
My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.
what have you been doing with all your sols?
Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:

Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

oh wild

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:09 pm**

From OP:

"Each choice you see may have three and exactly three selectors. Anyone failing to satisfy this simple requirement will be dealt with severely."

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] what happened when you didn't vote in the day 0 poll?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:11 pm**

probably better not to answer that tbh

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:13 pm**

Probably, he didn't get the benefit of being in a triumvirate, extra Sol every night. He probably gets one Sol every time.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:14 pm**

yeah I'm p sure epi essentially confirmed wilgy simply didn't get a trium

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:14 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:34 am
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:12 am
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:38 pm [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out
You don't accept his reasoning? I find Tony's overall vibe scummy to this point but I don't take issue with him prodding someone that was barely noticeable. You'll notice that Nanook showed up too, and his posts didn't exactly impress me. Since you like asking questions I'll ask you one; any thoughts on Nanook himself?

Oh and I think you asked me about Moth earlier but I got distracted; he is still town.
It’s because Tony was happy to suspect people and cast shade on them, but wasn’t willing to actually back it up with a vote. Like from reputation I know sloonei and nutella are fairly experienced players, so it’d probably be hard to get either banished d1. Nanook is a really easy, random, low-commitment vote. Who’s gonna defend someone with low thread presence that hasn’t really gotten “serious” about solving yet? Like in a vacuum I don’t think someone voting Nanook is necessarily scummie, but it doesn’t really fit with the mindset Tony’s shown so far.
Like Tony: “This might be a wolf tactic because most people just leave these sort of mutual tunnels alone d1. be cautious of this”
Also Tony: leaves mutual tunnel alone, makes an easy, low-commitment vote
Why isn’t he pushing at the tunnel? It just makes me go ???

Re: Nanook is probably just lazy civilian getting pushed for a miselim.

i'm going through marcher's iso now for clues, and i do find it super left field that he basically hard defends nanook out of the blue without any prior communication with him.

it feels like he had a lot to say about nanook, but never bothered saying them till he wanted to cast shade on tony.

it could be pocketing attempt, haven't finished the iso to determine but want to point out things that ping me like his insistence on calling moth out to tell him why OW is a tr doesn't read w/w for me (w/w for marcher and moth).

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:17 pm**

i must be dreaming then because i thought cayvie included drwilgy in her tri with moth huh. gotta check that out

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:32 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:17 pm i must be dreaming then because i thought cayvie included drwilgy in her tri with moth huh. gotta check that out

i mean im getting 3 sol a phase, so i hope there's 3 of us!

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:35 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:14 pm yeah I'm p sure epi essentially confirmed wilgy simply didn't get a trium

naw i asked, wilgy & moth are in the accusers w me

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:38 pm**

oh huh ok

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:39 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:15 am Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels
My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.
what have you been doing with all your sols?
Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:

Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

not even a check?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:41 pm**

if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:41 pm if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

i like this

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:45 pm**

frankly, that clear applies to moth w too. enough associative clearing for me to move off of lc entirely rn

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:47 pm**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:51 pm**

actually, [VOTE: motobot] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:56 pm**

Mac should claim his n4 result before too long.

If he waits until the last minute for eod chaos I'm just voting him

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:59 pm**

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:15 am Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels
My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.
what have you been doing with all your sols?
Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:

Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.
not even a check?

that just struck me as one of those elaborate schemes people were saying long con does as a wolf

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:14 pm**

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:15 am Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels
My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.
what have you been doing with all your sols?
Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:

Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.
not even a check?

Two checks last night, actually.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:41 pm if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

But I've been townreading Wilgy all game. Vocally.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:59 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:15 am Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels
My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.
what have you been doing with all your sols?
Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:

Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.
not even a check?
that just struck me as one of those elaborate schemes people were saying long con does as a wolf

It was an elaborate scheme, but it was a town elaborate scheme. I was genuinely excited to start doing it, which is why I acted that way at the end of last lynch... if I hadn't had my stuff all smashed, I would have been outing myself today and shoving it in the face of my accusers.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:16 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:03 am ok, so the carrotte lie isn't really a lie and i can feel better that she's town now. n3, when she claimed to have checked macdougall, a member of her tri was killed (KZA). usually that means half your glory disappears. but it was confirmed her action would go through n3 and she'd lose it after. @Carotenoid were you buffed by someone? epi confirmed when someone gives us sols or stats, we are alerted. if you were, can you tell me which night?

macdougall only managed to get enough glory on n3 despite having 2 alive members in his tri until yesterday? do we actually believe that? that's 15 sols he had earned by that point. he has 1.0 on night 3, if his claim is to be believed. tony is mislynched, bringing the total sols he can earn in one phase to 2. macdougall loses half his glory at the end of the day phase going into night 4 because of tony's demise so he's at 0.5 glory. he needs 0.5 glory which costs...well 0.4 glory costs 9sols and 0.1 glory costs 3 sols so if i'm doing the math right, that's a lie. he doesn't have enough glory to check anyone therefore his red claim is BS. and i also don't believe he didn't have enough glory before n3 to use his action in the first place. he's an "alignment cop" that's the only thing he should have been wasting his sols on so i don't believe him saying otherwise like "oh i buffed up my presence" -- come on.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think of my attempt at mechanically solving something for the first time in my life.

the day banish halves hope, not glory

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:26 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:56 am I don't know what's ideal, that's probably Nanook's territory. I actually don't much like that he revealed his green check on Sloonei at all, because it got him killed whether Mac is good or bad.

I'm not considering deeply whether Mac is good or bad, what I'm considering is that I'm not rushing towards killing another awesome role's claimant by assuming a lie again.

i keep staring at this

what else was he supposed to do with it exactly

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm**

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:31 pm**

Yeh I’m not sure what he was supposed to do either lol, you gotta out the green check if you’re town cause otherwise you die and nobody knows what it was

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:32 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

These are the kinds of questions we should be asking. We've gotta find this jerk and punch him.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:56 am I don't know what's ideal, that's probably Nanook's territory. I actually don't much like that he revealed his green check on Sloonei at all, because it got him killed whether Mac is good or bad.

I'm not considering deeply whether Mac is good or bad, what I'm considering is that I'm not rushing towards killing another awesome role's claimant by assuming a lie again.
i keep staring at this

what else was he supposed to do with it exactly

Maybe blink a little. Two or three times a minute.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?
i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?
i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real
Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

i didn't say i did?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:50 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?
i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real
Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?
i didn't say i did?

Oh, so it's like an imagination journey. Got it. Let me know what you find please!

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:51 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?
i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real
Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

bold/underline especially is such a strange thing to say. it's YOUR claim.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:53 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:35 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 pm why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?
i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real
Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?
bold/underline especially is such a strange thing to say. it's YOUR claim.

Yeah, but it's Lissa talking. She's supposed to say "Long Con is lying, don't waste my time with these fake ploys", vote for me, and move on.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:07 pm**

True this is what I would do.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:15 pm**

What would you do?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:24 pm**

say "Long Con is lying, don't waste my time with these fake ploys", vote for me, and move on.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:26 pm**

Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:32 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:26 pm Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Nutella
Cayvie
Moth

From goodest to baddest

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:34 pm**

Why do any have to be

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:22 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:26 pm Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Is this a random list of players, or what?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:42 pm**

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:26 pm Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.
Is this a random list of players, or what?

Nope. There is a commonality.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:45 pm**

do you think moth's roleclaim is BS, wilgster? it's very, uh, elaborate and can be verified i guess.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:56 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:45 pm do you think moth's roleclaim is BS, wilgster? it's very, uh, elaborate and can be verified i guess.

I think it's the most believable of the claims but it also suffers from the "it doesn't have to be real if it has no impact" fallacy.

Moth claim also was in effort to give Mac validation and I dislike that.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:58 pm**

didn't ow corroborate moth's claim?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:21 pm**

No

I didn't really corroborate Mac's claim either

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