The Syndicate

I reckon Bea was Falcone in light of this lynch result.

For two reasons...

1. When I made a case on Sabie it was directly at bea asking for her input, which she declined to offer in the significant time between me doing so and her death.

2. After her death she specifically called out the Marconi's. It seems strange that her post death comment would specifically mention the name of the faction rather than just baddies in general.

Hey, it's just my opinion though so you can take it or leave it.

bea wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:sabie12 had been seemingly having a great time just scratching around in the dirt like a speckled hen. Not really doing much, then out of the blue sabie decided to have a crack at some case building.

sabie12 wrote:There's no link to me because I was a replacement so I guess Epi forgot to put me in. I am finding this whole Matt situation suspicious. Not sure why Enrique is all of the sudden out of nowhere changing his mind about him. Seems kind of weird. And why is Matt telling people to vote for him?

This is the sort of commentary that nub scum always make. Always emphasising their confusion. "Not sure... Seems kind of...".

sabie12 wrote:Actually I feel as though there has been an entire day to respond but you haven't because you can't I guess. Shouldn't Matt be the one defending himself rather than someone else?

Here sabie continues pressing Matt.

sabie12 wrote:I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the Matt vote. Today has been very confusing but Matt's posts even without the knock knock things were strange. Enrique all of the sudden changed his mind with not a great explanation regarding Matt, which is odd. Even though I have been keeping up I still find it difficult to figure out exactly what's up with the whole situation.

And here sabie votes for Matt, despite Enrique the case pusher actually changing his mind. Sabie's vote for Matt on this day was really unusual.

Now, where's sabie's Matt suspicion gone? Nubcivs get real tunnely imo when they get the scent of a scum. Evidently sabie did... but she completely dropped the suspicion of Matt. Because why? Because he started posting like Shakespeare? She didn't just drop suspicion, she has somehow managed to avoiding posting about or to him during this entire Matt kerfuffle.

Sabiescum y'all.

How bout it bea?

*ahem* bea I am waiting for your agreement.

Honestly, she was who I had in min with inexperienced with cursing roles so maybe? I'm like super drunk
My hubby decided like 4 beers ago he was driving me to work. Nappy now. Cuddle with the hubby. I tried to mafia as long as I could....

I see what you are saying mac, just to drunk atm to be 100 on it ya know?

Well she did a little bit, but it's very like sideways glancing chuckling while slowly backing out of the room.

Pointless to dwell on it anyway.

Hey SVS, meet you at the Docks?

I'm going to the Docks, because I have not been there yet.

God bless you, God bless the city of Gotham, and God bless the United States of America.

Anyway I told you guys I was Superman. Now do you believe me?

MacDougall wrote:If Marmot missed it on purpose, wouldn't he just infer at worst that he missed it on purpose?

I don't think he missed it on purpose.

The thing that makes me suspect you of being nefarious Dom, is that I have perceived you to be rather quick to chase leads for flippant reasons in this game. Like a mafia player who doesn't have genuine mafia leads would to emulate scumhuntery. We have now another demonstrated reason.

But that's just my view. You might be playing the role of civ taskmaster.

I would never intentionally miss a lynchvote. It's one of the rules of playing.

But if I had made it, I would have voted for sabie.

Called that one Nice job gang.

Dom, I meant "down" in the cool person way, like "I'm down wit dat dope ass plan yo". But yeah, that curse was a bitch

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:If Marmot missed it on purpose, wouldn't he just infer at worst that he missed it on purpose?

I don't think he missed it on purpose.

The thing that makes me suspect you of being nefarious Dom, is that I have perceived you to be rather quick to chase leads for flippant reasons in this game. Like a mafia player who doesn't have genuine mafia leads would to emulate scumhuntery. We have now another demonstrated reason.

But that's just my view. You might be playing the role of civ taskmaster.

I would never intentionally miss a lynchvote. It's one of the rules of playing.

But if I had made it, I would have voted for sabie.

When I say on purpose my inference was that you had some reason beyond "lol derp".

Oh I see. I realize I wouldn't be allowed to tell you anyway if there was another reason, but it was a complete derp.

I was scrambling for my phone to try to load the page, but still couldn't get on in time.

Who bucked the Sabie wagon in favour of trying to push Macwagon?

Because there's your huckleberry.

MacDougall wrote:Who bucked the Sabie wagon in favour of trying to push Macwagon?

Because there's your huckleberry.

sabie12 wrote:Sorry for playing poorly. My life's been crazy and my meds cost like 200 dollars and I can't afford them.

I hope everything is ok with your life sabie

MacDougall wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Sorry for playing poorly. My life's been crazy and my meds cost like 200 dollars and I can't afford them.

I hope everything is ok with your life sabie

This See you in the next game sabiebaby.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Most excellent lynch result!

MacDougall wrote:If Marmot missed it on purpose, wouldn't he just infer at worst that he missed it on purpose?

I don't think he missed it on purpose.

The thing that makes me suspect you of being nefarious Dom, is that I have perceived you to be rather quick to chase leads for flippant reasons in this game. Like a mafia player who doesn't have genuine mafia leads would to emulate scumhuntery. We have now another demonstrated reason.

But that's just my view. You might be playing the role of civ taskmaster.

I don't think you know how I play this game at all, Mac. I don't think it's rather flippant that MM posted an hour and a half before the lynch asking WHO TO VOTE FOR and then proceded to not vote. This is a player who normally votes early. It does give me pause about him, yes.

I know how you play very well Dom. I have been in your crosshairs enough to know better than most.

You've played maybe 3 games with me. I wouldn't say you know anything about me very well.

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, I meant "down" in the cool person way, like "I'm down wit dat dope ass plan yo". But yeah, that curse was a bitch

Got it.

Well... none of them (Matt, Bullz, Typh, SVS) had brought any kind of heat down on Sabie. Matt inexplicably included sabie in his request list of Freezeblock but like, never talked about her or two her or anything. So his "suspicion" there seems pretty fabricated.

They could feasibly all be scum teammies of the sabester tbh based on the fact that none of them had significant discussions on the subject of sabie. So analysing them in that way achieves zilch.

I reckon it's most likely to be SVS because...

Was the last of the four to cast the vote. I would expect a save vote to not come until it looked potentially likely to work. Bullzeye and Typhoony's seemed too blatant to be save votes.

Her reaction to me posting my crumb was genuine annoyance, despite it being evidence to prevent a mislynch. Having just blown her cover by voting me to save Sabie and having it blow straight up in her face would be very annoying.

Mac out.

Dom wrote: You've played maybe 3 games with me. I wouldn't say you know anything about me very well.

FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

Turnip Head wrote:FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

Do we really?

Dom I don't think we need to be fucking for me to understand the sort of mafia player you are. 3 games with you is far more than required to get a grip on your play to any level any number of games would ever reveal.

And regardless, the way you play is irrelevant to the point I was making. You don't need to have a 100% confirmed meta on someone to read them based on general scum tells. Otherwise a new player might as well not even try. Do you really think saying "you don't understand how I play" is an adequate defence? It's wifom. You aren't giving me access to your actual mentality to help me understand why you are doing the things that are suspicious to me. It's just blocking it out and putting your fingers in your ear saying "lalala".

Turnip Head wrote:FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

I would have thought so too but the way she immediately backtracked seemed like she was conscious of what she had done.

I think she would have tried to get the sprityo wagon up and running rather than go after the breadcrumber but that's just my opinion.

S~V~S wrote:linki, whatever.Golden asked why I suspected you. this is part of the reason why. Telling people things like "you are wasting your time" doesn't help. I give up. Why don;t we all just out ourselves.

She was smashing her keyboard here. You can tell by the missing capitals, the out of place semi-colon and the missing space after the first full stop. Either that or she is drunk as fuck.
Drunk, or super frustrated.

So yes, fair to say being blatant in the thread like this would be a fairly stupid thing to do if you were Sabie's partner.

S~V~S wrote:I don't know that I want to play Mafia anymore. I will hang until my role hint is required.

Continued snark.

But I think she was aware of what she had done and tried to backtrack.

S~V~S wrote:No, not you, stop. I am being a bitch, lol.

S~V~S wrote:I just really dislike role hints. It isn't you, don;t take it that way.

And then got immediately defensive, but really half assed defensive. And hasn't posted since.

S~V~S wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:I don't think SVS is an inmate, no more than Bullzeye at least.

Mmm why?

I don't trust you so I'm bad?
M'kay.

Turnip Head wrote:I think she would have tried to get the sprityo wagon up and running rather than go after the breadcrumber but that's just my opinion.

I had just received three straight votes. It was riding a fucking tidal wave at that point. How was she to know I was going to arrive out of the aethyr and make the post I did? I think in that scenario a sabie teammate would go me over Spirit for sure.

If SVS is drunk I recant everything btw.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think she would have tried to get the sprityo wagon up and running rather than go after the breadcrumber but that's just my opinion.

I had just received three straight votes. It was riding a fucking tidal wave at that point. How was she to know I was going to arrive out of the aethyr and make the post I did? I think in that scenario a sabie teammate would go me over Spirit for sure.

She had to have known you'd fight back harder than sprityo, that's for damn sure.

She's also infamous for her shitty phone typing.

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think she would have tried to get the sprityo wagon up and running rather than go after the breadcrumber but that's just my opinion.

I had just received three straight votes. It was riding a fucking tidal wave at that point. How was she to know I was going to arrive out of the aethyr and make the post I did? I think in that scenario a sabie teammate would go me over Spirit for sure.

She had to have known you'd fight back harder than sprityo, that's for damn sure.

She's also infamous for her shitty phone typing.

Spirityo had no lynch momentum. I had shit loads. And I hadn't posted today yet either.

That being said, if you believe what you are saying what do you think of the Faraday and Lorab votes?

I saw that Lorab drive by as I was in the middle of another conversation and I did look at it cock eyed, but by the time Lorab voted it was a foregone conclusion.

Faraday voted for Spirityo before sorsha, Dom, Enrique and Lorab... and would have needed all of them to get Spirityo lynched over Sabie too.

I don't see either of them being Sabie saves? Both came at a point when a more astute vote would have been a bus vote. So if they didn't vote for Spirityo as a save, where did Sabie's partner vote?

Or did Sabie's partner vote at all?

Btw why did you vote for DharmaHelper?

MacDougall wrote:Btw why did you vote for DharmaHelper?

I had a momentary lapse where I thought votes were changeable and tried to signal that I wanted him to stfu about juliets. I thought he was being opportunistic going after her; I still think that, I just think he was being opportunistic in the civilian kinda way.

And I have a juicy case for a potential sabie teamie just waiting for me to type it up.

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Btw why did you vote for DharmaHelper?

I had a momentary lapse where I thought votes were changeable and tried to signal that I wanted him to stfu about juliets. I thought he was being opportunistic going after her; I still think that, I just think he was being opportunistic in the civilian kinda way.

You forgot votes weren't changeable?

And I totally agree with you about DH.

Turnip Head wrote:And I have a juicy case for a potential sabie teamie just waiting for me to type it up.

Let's hope it's better than your nero teammie case.

Turnip Head wrote:FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

This.

Mac, I don't think you know how this topic has... rattled... some of us.

MacDougall wrote:Dom I don't think we need to be fucking for me to understand the sort of mafia player you are. 3 games with you is far more than required to get a grip on your play to any level any number of games would ever reveal.

And regardless, the way you play is irrelevant to the point I was making. You don't need to have a 100% confirmed meta on someone to read them based on general scum tells. Otherwise a new player might as well not even try. Do you really think saying "you don't understand how I play" is an adequate defence? It's wifom. You aren't giving me access to your actual mentality to help me understand why you are doing the things that are suspicious to me. It's just blocking it out and putting your fingers in your ear saying "lalala".

This is a nice way to erase my defense where I talked about why my point wasn't flippant in the first place, but okay.

MacDougall wrote: Or did Sabie's partner vote at all?

Didn't I just this?
Didn't I just postulate that maybe someone who missed the vote was potentially bad?
But you... called... me... out... for... it?????????

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Btw why did you vote for DharmaHelper?

I had a momentary lapse where I thought votes were changeable and tried to signal that I wanted him to stfu about juliets. I thought he was being opportunistic going after her; I still think that, I just think he was being opportunistic in the civilian kinda way.

You forgot votes weren't changeable?

And I totally agree with you about DH.

At least I remembered that votes are not changeable. :P

Yeah I usually try to use my vote to convey my thoughts when cursed and I derped.

linki @ Mac:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

This.

Mac, I don't think you know how this topic has... rattled... some of us.

MacDougall wrote:Dom I don't think we need to be fucking for me to understand the sort of mafia player you are. 3 games with you is far more than required to get a grip on your play to any level any number of games would ever reveal.

And regardless, the way you play is irrelevant to the point I was making. You don't need to have a 100% confirmed meta on someone to read them based on general scum tells. Otherwise a new player might as well not even try. Do you really think saying "you don't understand how I play" is an adequate defence? It's wifom. You aren't giving me access to your actual mentality to help me understand why you are doing the things that are suspicious to me. It's just blocking it out and putting your fingers in your ear saying "lalala".

This is a nice way to erase my defense where I talked about why my point wasn't flippant in the first place, but okay.

MacDougall wrote: Or did Sabie's partner vote at all?

Didn't I just this?
Didn't I just postulate that maybe someone who missed the vote was potentially bad?
But you... called... me... out... for... it?????????

Show me where you said Metalmarsh is a potential sabie teammate?

All I saw from you was vanilla flavoured accusation at Metalmarsh for missing the vote. There's a difference between that and the series of synapse connections that led to me saying what I said.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:FWIW Mac I think SVS would have kept her annoyance contained to BTSC if that's how she really felt. Her reaction ironically makes me feel better about her being civ This site has a long and complicated history with role hinting/outing.

This.

Mac, I don't think you know how this topic has... rattled... some of us.

MacDougall wrote:Dom I don't think we need to be fucking for me to understand the sort of mafia player you are. 3 games with you is far more than required to get a grip on your play to any level any number of games would ever reveal.

And regardless, the way you play is irrelevant to the point I was making. You don't need to have a 100% confirmed meta on someone to read them based on general scum tells. Otherwise a new player might as well not even try. Do you really think saying "you don't understand how I play" is an adequate defence? It's wifom. You aren't giving me access to your actual mentality to help me understand why you are doing the things that are suspicious to me. It's just blocking it out and putting your fingers in your ear saying "lalala".

This is a nice way to erase my defense where I talked about why my point wasn't flippant in the first place, but okay.

MacDougall wrote: Or did Sabie's partner vote at all?

Didn't I just this?
Didn't I just postulate that maybe someone who missed the vote was potentially bad?
But you... called... me... out... for... it?????????

Show me where you said Metalmarsh is a potential sabie teammate?

I literally insinuated he missed the vote on purpose.

MacDougall wrote:All I saw from you was vanilla flavoured accusation at Metalmarsh for missing the vote. There's a difference between that and the series of synapse connections that led to me saying what I said.

And this is where you have a fatal misunderstanding of how I play mafia.

Hey Mac, why weren't you on Dharmahelper's ass when he insinuated that SVS missed the vote on purpose?

Dom wrote:Hey Mac, why weren't you on Dharmahelper's ass when he insinuated that SVS missed the vote on purpose?

I dunno. I can barely remember what I had for breakfast.

Dom wrote: I literally insinuated he missed the vote on purpose.

MacDougall wrote:All I saw from you was vanilla flavoured accusation at Metalmarsh for missing the vote. There's a difference between that and the series of synapse connections that led to me saying what I said.

And this is where you have a fatal misunderstanding of how I play mafia.

Okay Dom. Your forums mafia game is so transcendent that my feeble mind is incapable of understanding the complexity with which you approach it. If my mind were ever capable of understanding the myriad complexities that Dom cycles through with each passing analysis my brain would become goo and leak through my eyeballs. My hair would stand up on it's ends and turn to ash. For Dom is the wizard of Mafia and I am but a foolish peasant, destined to want for more than what my fickle mind is capable of accomplishing.

Allow me to regale you with tales of the sharp, discerning mind of Dom. Why, not four score moons ago, he observed a toad supping upon a crawling insect nearby to a mire. The pulleys and levers of the well greased mind of Dom, Wizard of Mafia, quickly sprung forth into life as he in a fleeting moment was able to calculate that this was no ordinary toad. This was actually a Marmot, dining on the shapeshifted remains of an unfortunate. The evil Marmot was immediately grabbed by Dom, his long well defined limbs rendering him far too agile for the cumbersome Marmot-toad.

The toad gasped as the Wizard of Mafia stuffed him into his sack and whisked away to his woodland cave, where he humanely euthanised it, and studied it for clues of other such outlandish fables.

This is no ordinary Mafia Wizard, this is Dom!

Glad to know where you and I stand TH

Enrique wrote:Hey SVS, meet you at the Docks?

Nah nvm.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Turns out she did kill sig. Awesome result.

Turned out to be a great case.

Dom followed me to the Docks. He's going to get me!

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, I meant "down" in the cool person way, like "I'm down wit dat dope ass plan yo". But yeah, that curse was a bitch

You did amazingly well with it, although that could well be Enrique's doing.

DharmaHelper wrote:Glad to know where you and I stand TH

Are you? I threw chrysanthemums in your face and you barely even blinked

MacDougall wrote:Who bucked the Sabie wagon in favour of trying to push Macwagon?

Because there's your huckleberry.

Yeah, I feel there are definitely people who weren't genuine in you wagon. But hey, I felt that at the time.