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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 7:29 am
she just got here, martin has more content to analyse and more info if he flips. Spew and all that.
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she just got here, martin has more content to analyse and more info if he flips. Spew and all that.
I don't care about this. I want a red flip.bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:29 amshe just got here, martin has more content to analyse and more info if he flips. Spew and all that.
Probably should have read this post sooner... whoever said it was weird is kinda right.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:16 pm @Long Con
Unless there's another 1-shot healer, I want to put you on notice that you may be actually dying from poison.
I don't think there's fake poisons given that I'm 1-shot, though I realize that can also be indicative of having the healing ability split up. I doubt that though because there's, to my knowledge, no way to prevent two healers from accidentally healing the same person on the same day.
So we should kill Martin for the simple fact that he would leave more information?bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:29 amshe just got here, martin has more content to analyse and more info if he flips. Spew and all that.
the problem with that theory is that it involves scum alison razing her own team to the ground to go deep, then chaining herself to her mech outed scum buddy, and then committing to an incredibly tight POE that will be obviously refuted if it is full of shit thus making her no longer deep and leaving her in a position of having killed 2 teammates for nothing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:33 am Hypothetically speaking...
Poisoner is 3p (or town I guess). They poison scum Alison. Martin the Mafia poisoner heals scum teammate.
That's the only world in which Martin is mafia I think? I don't think he fake claimed the heal.
How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:34 amthe problem with that theory is that it involves scum alison razing her own team to the ground to go deep, then chaining herself to her mech outed scum buddy, and then committing to an incredibly tight POE that will be obviously refuted if it is full of shit thus making her no longer deep and leaving her in a position of having killed 2 teammates for nothing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:33 am Hypothetically speaking...
Poisoner is 3p (or town I guess). They poison scum Alison. Martin the Mafia poisoner heals scum teammate.
That's the only world in which Martin is mafia I think? I don't think he fake claimed the heal.
this was juliet's role card in cov:
it's basically a vig shot, you just use it on someone in the POE, they get auto hammered because it's free to kill them, and they flip just like you had shot them in the night.You belong to the Town Faction. You win when all threats to the Town Faction have been eliminated.
1) u wot m8: As a man of influence, you may each night choose a person who will be openly suspected in thread. If this person receives half the votes of the thread at any point before day action deadline, they will be eliminated. This will all be announced in thread. The day will proceed normally with another elimination after this has happened. If this person is main wagon without having more than half of the votes, they will be the only elimination that day.
If I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Target owner. Flip a mafia. Claim. Clear yourself. Dab?bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 amIf I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.
To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
eh idk, whats the rush in using it? how would i know claiming would clear me? role claiming doesnt usually say anything about alignmentMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 amTarget owner. Flip a mafia. Claim. Clear yourself. Dab?bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 amIf I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.
To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
I think you missed the key part of the question?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 amprobably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.
yes so it's a vig shot.bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 amIf I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.
To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
It'd have cleared you probably even if you flipped a town tbh.bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 ameh idk, whats the rush in using it? how would i know claiming would clear me? role claiming doesnt usually say anything about alignmentMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 amTarget owner. Flip a mafia. Claim. Clear yourself. Dab?bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 amIf I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.
To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
Which partMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amI think you missed the key part of the question?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 amprobably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.
Apparently (as I’ve recently learned), red herring roles exist. Jay thinks there are red herring roles in this game, do you think this healer business could be one of them?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 am It is strange that they have exactly the same role both as town. There is little precedent for it in my experience. It is salient to be concerned. I am not sure I have seen two identical town PR in any game. If I have it'd be exceedingly rare. Though I have an appalling memory.
why tf would anyone follow up on that? no one has agreed with my scum reads. Only owner who flipped pretty quickly and easily. And orangecrush and martin only got more in PoE today afaik, and now its too late for that.Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amyes so it's a vig shot.bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 amIf I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.
Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.
To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
you don't have to "know who is a wagon", you just target some POE person (such as orangecrush, or even martin if you disbelieve the double healer claims), and claim it, and town will automatically hammer that person because it's free KP.
didnt say they would, im a bit confusedActvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 amWhy would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?
The healer claims came after D1 in which Alison was poisoned and healed.bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:43 amdidnt say they would, im a bit confusedActvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 amWhy would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?
i'm saying if a wolf got poisoned, they are more likely to get healed.
well its not easy if i am IN the consensus PoE.
You get poisoned n1. You have a poisoner teammate. What do you do?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amWhich partMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amI think you missed the key part of the question?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 amprobably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.
it doesn't matter that's the mech optimal play.
i just said. I'd try to push townies and float through the game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:48 amYou get poisoned n1. You have a poisoner teammate. What do you do?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amWhich partMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amI think you missed the key part of the question?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 amprobably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.
My point is that I am not entirely sure your objection isn't just a description of what you'd do after you bus.
newsflash, when someone is in the POE, they are more likely to flip wolf and their flip progresses the game, either way.
Tbh it makes sense to heal Alison. I have no issue with it.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 amWhy would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?
So you are saying you wouldn't have played day 2 the way you did?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:50 ami just said. I'd try to push townies and float through the game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:48 amYou get poisoned n1. You have a poisoner teammate. What do you do?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amWhich partMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 amI think you missed the key part of the question?Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 amprobably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?
the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.
My point is that I am not entirely sure your objection isn't just a description of what you'd do after you bus.
with a rogue killer in the game I can't afford to bus.
well sorry but im not a tryhard at mafiaAlison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 amit doesn't matter that's the mech optimal play.
you pick someone other than you who you think town will agree to kill for free and select them.
anything else is straight griefing, there is legitimately 0 reason to ever do otherwise.