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Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:39 pm**

Sidoh also has secret win conditions.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:40 pm**

7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:40 pm**

That's a really hard one. I wonder if we shouldn't count everyone except the detectives (ninja'd by MM). Then again, some of the detectives might have as well (L, Near and Mello come to mind right away).

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:40 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:40 pm**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:41 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

What about the detectives? There are still roles that haven't been completely revealed

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:41 pm**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:42 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

We haven't heard about Takada, but Snowman is actually indicative the Sympathizers might have individual win conditions. How Light can win, even if caught by Near, now that Matsuda is dead, is still not revealed, for instance.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:42 pm**

FZ. wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.
What about the detectives? There are still roles that haven't been completely revealed

Secret Win Conditions =/= Secret role powers

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:42 pm**

FZ. wrote:But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?

I'm going to yank my hair out.

Fortunately I have other things I have to do right now.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:43 pm**

FYI there are still 7 guesses, 1 for each player who hasn't yet taken a guess, remaining.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:43 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
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Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?

Am i dumb or has MP told us multiple times that nobody was given the secret win conditions in their PMs?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:43 pm**

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.

If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:44 pm**

FZ. wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?

So if someone survives one lynch that means they will survive every lynch after that?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:44 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

We have lynched 1 Sympathizer who turned up a clue. Let's not assume he is the only sympathizer with a secret win con. Why else would Takada's vote be worth extra for voting Misa (and vice versa). See what I'm saying?

Linki: @ DH If I remember correctly, secret win conditions are only revealed to the player they are for, and no one else.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:45 pm**

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?

"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:46 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.
We have lynched 1 Sympathizer who turned up a clue. Let's not assume he is the only sympathizer with a secret win con. Why else would Takada's vote be worth extra for voting Misa (and vice versa). See what I'm saying?

Linki: @ DH If I remember correctly, secret win conditions are only revealed to the player they are for, and no one else.

So you have a secret win condition you're not telling your teammates about?

Gonna be an interesting night in that BTSC.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:47 pm**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?
So if someone survives one lynch that means they will survive every lynch after that?

Uh no. The Shinigamis probably will survive every lynch (but they'll be outed). Near and Mello and Higuchi might still survive a second one, if their conditions to become lynchable are not met. (L dead, Higuchi owning a DN, respectively). Misa can be lynched after three Days. Light has not yet become unlynchable since he hasn't given up DN ownership.

This is assuming you're not caught up fully with the role reveals.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:48 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.
The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.
We have lynched 1 Sympathizer who turned up a clue. Let's not assume he is the only sympathizer with a secret win con. Why else would Takada's vote be worth extra for voting Misa (and vice versa). See what I'm saying?

Linki: @ DH If I remember correctly, secret win conditions are only revealed to the player they are for, and no one else.
So you have a secret win condition you're not telling your teammates about?

Gonna be an interesting night in that BTSC.

Is it news to you? Pretty sure I've commented on it in thread recently.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?
I'm going to yank my hair out.

Fortunately I have other things I have to do right now.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? I think I've tried to prevent unlynchable votes the entire game. And no, I didn't think MM was unlynchable. Not as clever as you, obviously

linki: Bass, not necessarily, but he wasn't going to be lynched no matter what, so it was a wasted vote either way

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:48 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?

What?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:49 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?

This question remains unanswered.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:49 pm**

Holy hell, I just hit 9,000 posts.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:51 pm**

Well, good luck with the answer and any further questions, guys, I'm off to sleep.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:51 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:Where did her boo suspicion go? Where did her llama suspicion go? B-A-D-D-I-E

My Boo suspicion was in the Fing post you quoted. If you are so sure then bloody well lynch me and be done with it. I could explain myself, but not to you, you don't care what I say anyways.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:51 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:Holy hell, I just hit 9,000 posts.

You've probably met your secret win condition as host of this game.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:51 pm**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?
What?

Why did you vote for MM using almost the exact reasoning of TH, who you are now claiming is your top suspect?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:52 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?
This question remains unanswered.

15?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:52 pm**

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?
"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.

I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:52 pm**

Ricochet wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Holy hell, I just hit 9,000 posts.
You've probably met your secret win condition as host of this game.

No, my secret host win condition is twofold: (1) to make sure not to commit any host errors and (2) to make sure everyone is having fun.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:53 pm**

Black Rock wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Where did her boo suspicion go? Where did her llama suspicion go? B-A-D-D-I-E

My Boo suspicion was in the Fing post you quoted. If you are so sure then bloody well lynch me and be done with it. I could explain myself, but not to you, you don't care what I say anyways.

You said you don't trust boo, but you voted Epi. Why is that?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:53 pm**

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?
"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.
I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?

Mello can't find the DN before the BTSC before he the one searching for it. Sidoh is!

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:53 pm**

BR, why did you basically waste a vote?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:53 pm**

Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?
This question remains unanswered.
15?

Correct.

Fifteen players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game. All of Yotsuba, all of Kira and his Sympathizers, and Sidoh.

You may not answer any more questions. A new question is forthcoming.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:54 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?
What?
Why did you vote for MM using almost the exact reasoning of TH, who you are now claiming is your top suspect?

I'm not sure.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:54 pm**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.

Bass, why did you vote for TH?
Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.
Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?
What?
Why did you vote for MM using almost the exact reasoning of TH, who you are now claiming is your top suspect?
I'm not sure.

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Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:55 pm**

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?
"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.
I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?
Mello can't find the DN before the BTSC before he the one searching for it. Sidoh is!

I meant Mello isn't searching*

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:55 pm**

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:56 pm**

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?
"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.
I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?
Mello can't find the DN before the BTSC before he the one searching for it. Sidoh is!

I get that, duh. I mean if SIdoh finds the DN before the BTSC, does it change anything? Do they both kill or only Mello when they have BTSC? What I'm trying to figure out is, do we need to fear Sidoh or not?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:56 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Where did her boo suspicion go? Where did her llama suspicion go? B-A-D-D-I-E

My Boo suspicion was in the Fing post you quoted. If you are so sure then bloody well lynch me and be done with it. I could explain myself, but not to you, you don't care what I say anyways.
You said you don't trust boo, but you voted Epi. Why is that?

Cause for days I have been reading Epig say vote FZ, vote FZ. I don't think she's bad and I think it's obvious she isn't. So I think he is and wants her lynched for a reason. I believe he does know something more and I believe it's in HIS best interest to lynch FZ. I do not think it's the rest of ours best interest at this point. Therefore he must be bad.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:57 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

If it were me answering this question,I would take into account that Misa and Takada likely do not have the same win conditions, and Demegawas (Snowman) was worded specifically for him.

Light and Ryuk are a pair as are Rem and Misa.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:57 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

MM, can you help a brotha out here?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:58 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

You're enjoying this, aren't you?

linki: Why do you think it's obvious I'm not bad, BR?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:58 pm**

FZ. wrote:BR, why did you basically waste a vote?

I wasn't feeling a FZ or Matahari lynch.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:58 pm**

Does anyone else find Bass's answer to my question to be complete bullshit.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:58 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?
MM, can you help a brotha out here?

Are you bad?

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:58 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:Does anyone else find Bass's answer to my question to be complete bullshit.

Yes

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:59 pm**

FZ. wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?
You're enjoying this, aren't you?

Who, me?

Yes!! I love game shows!!!! :yay:

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:59 pm**

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.
I don't know how to explain better than that.
If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?
"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.
I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?
Mello can't find the DN before the BTSC before he the one searching for it. Sidoh is!
I get that, duh. I mean if SIdoh finds the DN before the BTSC, does it change anything? Do they both kill or only Mello when they have BTSC? What I'm trying to figure out is, do we need to fear Sidoh or not?

Unless there is something not yet revealed, i doubt Sidoh would kill on his own.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:59 pm**

Black Rock wrote:
FZ. wrote:BR, why did you basically waste a vote?
I wasn't feeling a FZ or Matahari lynch.

Since Mata survived her lynch does that affect your thought process in any way?

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