X-Men [ENDGAME]

[SmashKings]

What they did (The BrotherHood) and what I said is exactly what happened. In a game with 7, I needed to stay alive and they seized the opportunity to buy them another day and kill. Unfortunately for those 7, they didn't get to kill last night though. I honestly don't think all the people gunning to get me out ARE part of the Brotherhood today, but obviously they want to chime in and put a nail in my coffin. But, what are they going to do when I'm gone? They have no one knew to target and can hide for only so long. Why would I risk this early in the game being so ballsy and talking as much as I did? Some people are being very smart and realizing what I have been saying can be true, and it is.
Call me "phony" and whatever else you want, but these Alpha male players like Avalanche and Sunfire need to open their eyes. I appreciate Havok and Sebastian for at least considering when I post and not treating me like how some people have when I try to reason. But you can only defend so long until the people gunning for me realize they were wrong if I die. I hope Beast is on my side and does a Rez, I would really appreciate it so you guys don't lose a valuable player if I die tomorrow.

Don't the Brotherhood only kill on odd nights though? Looking at their roles I'm not seeing an even night killer. I don't see what you're suggesting having happened, I think it's far too complex of a plan for baddies to bother with. I've never seen it before tbh and I think the far more likely thing is that, on day 2, a couple of baddies latched on to a fairly weak case in order to try and protect a teammate. In all fairness, even if you're lynched and turn out to be a civ, I might still look to T-Bird voters because I really don't see how he ended up lynched.

Furthermore, those who think I "fabricated this theory" need to take a step back to realize it's a logical answer and can happen, and DID happen. If you could believe "my teammates saved me", why can't you try to acknowledge what I said could happen also? Take the blinders off X- men if we want to win this game and stop over thinking it guys. I don't think Dazzler is half of what she is cracked up to be and find my vote possibly going in her direction today or Vision or Spiral. All 3 have been acting shady and pressing for me hard this whole game IMO. Those are 3 to be weary of.

What am I cracked up to be? Today is the first day I've really been active and not long ago I had a couple of people calling me bad for voting you last time. I don't think I'm cracked up to be much really. Also, as for 'this whole game', I'm pretty sure I'd never mentioned you up until day 2. For the NO U defense, as well as thinking you were saved by teammates yesterday, I'm gonna *Vote Quicksilver*.

[Ned Flanders]

Quicksilver's response here doesn't sell right to me. And seeing some of the responses to it makes me quite uneasy about Havok and Sebastion. Also, why go after voters when we are unsure which of them are bad. Why not go straight for Quicksilver? *votes quicksilver*

It could be a trap? I agree that the timing of the votes point towards a baddie save as opposed to just a civvie lynch train. BUT, with a 7-player mafia-team, I find it even harder to believe that they would try to save a partner on Day 2 through such a method. There is most assuredly a mafia member or two on the T-Bird lynch (just by probability, there was 1.68 mafia members on that lynch), but I'm finding it a tough case to believe that it was a baddie save.

Why? With 7 members, with a few missing votes probable from barely playing players, and two silenced (non voting) players, not many votes would be needed to save him (and this isn't even taking the heavy manipulation the host has led us to believe is happening into account). And it would have been a fairly easy situation to WIFOM out of, IMO. Especially had someone not dropped a vote on QS so early, but once that vote was down it was inevitable, IMO. Plus throwing that 1.68% figure out there is wildly misleading, that could be true IF and ONLY if everyone randomized, and if the baddies were absent to the same percentage as the civvies. There were only 17 voters that lynch.

Plus I know that when I am bad, I do try to save partners if feasible. Not sure why you would think it is so out of the norm.

I have had connectivity issues all weekend, so I am going to vote now, just in case. Voting Quicksilver

And looking back on the poll thread, I CAN kind of see why the civvie killer might have killed SW without misdirection. That was one bad looking vote there at the end, if QS does come up bad. SWs posts did not seem particularly bad to me, but, yeah, if we think that there was a baddie push to save QS, then SW had to be one of the savers, since she broke the tie and put T-Bird over the top. I had not thought about that before. So if QS does come up bad, I am going to think Psylocke made a good call.

[Lunatella]

Quicksilver is good. Vote for Polaris instead. She's a monster inside.

I saw Sebastian Shaw with the devil...

But really, that's exactly what your vote there sounds like.

I don't know what this means.

I think Quicksilver and Sunfire are good and should not be lynched.

[Chuck]

Quicksilver is good. Vote for Polaris instead. She's a monster inside.

I saw Sebastian Shaw with the devil...

But really, that's exactly what your vote there sounds like.

I don't know what this means.

I think Quicksilver and Sunfire are good and should not be lynched.

I'm thankful that you see me as good. But again, saying so-and-so is good or bad doesn't help any of us if you give no explanation as to why you think it. Please provide quotes and/or explanation.

[Chuck]

@ Mikhail - I'm sorry you see some of my posts as a bit uncaring. I do care. If you knew me personally you'd know that life circumstances have made me the type of person to say, "it is what it is" and move on to try to do better next time. Day 1 lynches are usually townies. Scum have the advantage early on in the game. They know who their teammates are and who is a townie. Of course there are independents but those are usually very few. Anyway, I am a realist and I don't ever expect to lynch scum on Day 1. This doesn't mean I am one of them.

[Rachel Green]

Quicksilver is good. Vote for Polaris instead. She's a monster inside.

I saw Sebastian Shaw with the devil...

But really, that's exactly what your vote there sounds like.

I don't know what this means.

I think Quicksilver and Sunfire are good and should not be lynched.

First, "I saw x with the devil" is a throwaway line that was used all during the Harry Potter game. It was funny there and I saw it as a humor line here. Don't know though, maybe Polaris can clarify.

Also, I've asked you several times - I think 3 - why you voted for Cable last lynch and though you have posted you have not answered my question. I can't help thinking you are trying to dodge the question.

I also agree with Sunfire. It's nice that you think these players are good but why? What do you have that backs up your position that they are good? I note you are not saying you are leaning good on them but that they are good.

As for Quicksilver today I've got some thinking to do. I didn't buy yesterday's arguments but today Quicksilver came up with that totally implausible imo scenario that would make both the T-bird voters bad and him good and is sticking to that explanation. It felt as twisted as a pretzel and I agree with whoever said it sounds like it was born in a chat room. It also sounds like he's saying he knows it's true - how would that be the case? So actually, now that I'm typing this out, I'm going to go ahead and vote now for QS and then possibly change my vote later if I change my mind. *vote Quicksilver*

[Gunther]

Ripiywg SW

Given the timing of the TB votes, it does make the most sense that there might have been a baddie save for QS. I still haven't heard what the case on TB was. Was there even a case?

It seems to be purely that he was quiet and voted White Queen without explaining why.

Linki - That.

I voted for him because he voted early, a drive by vote - no reasons given, for someone who was silenced. It was obvious to everyone that White Queen was silenced and even if you voted for her early in the lynch day you should have changed your vote once that became obvious. TB did not say he was randomizing when he voted and frankly, I would have never guessed that since it was day 2. I asked him to respond as to why he voted for White Queen at 10:00 am and did not have a response by the time I voted at 5:27 pm. Instead, he waited until 6:30 - when the lynch ended at 6:32 - to come on and say he randomized. If I had been at my computer at that time I might have tried to change my vote after he said that but even if I had been here I don't know who I would have changed it to. I felt like my vote was a solid vote and didn't know it was a randomization until the lynch was closed.

Can we change votes?? I didn't realize that was allowed. That also would somewhat explain why some people (Sunfire, ahem ahem) feel comfortable voting so early.

i think i'm most likely to vote for avalanche tonight, there seems to be the most to gain from that, and the tbird lynch was still just so weird and out of the blue. it's hard to believe that there wasn't some kind of ulterior motive involved somewhere.

What do you think the gain from an Avalanche lynch would be? And what's the relation between that and Tbird's lynch? He didn't vote for QS or Tbird yesterday.


Spiral, I also don't see your point here about how Hawkeye's discussion of Storm's power could hurt the civs. I got the whole "helping baddies find Cyclops" thing that happened earlier with Havok, but this seems a stretch. Also, you say that the other role he discussed, Mystique, was a baddie role, and seemed to imply that this was a strike against Hawkeye. Isn't it actually in our best interests to discuss and try to figure out baddies' secrets?? I haven't been getting good feels from you. I'll be rereading you today to see if I can pinpoint why, but this certainly pings me all on its own.

OH! I was meaning to say: I think the whole pronoun thing that happened on Day 1 was overblown. I'm actually beginning to suspect that every player got assigned a sock with the same gender as them, so someone coming out as a different gender in BTSC would be impossible. Idk if that helps, just wanted to say it.

Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

[Young Lady]

I believe I find myself in agreement with pretty much everything in Rasputin's recent posts, which is a bit freaky, but well done there. I was hoping to hear more from Spiral though.

Havok, I think we still need someone to vote for you as a precaution. I'm not getting any baddie vibes from you, but I caught a glimpse of Vision earlier, who I think might be silenced, and remembered his theory.

That being said, QS it is today.

[Prisoner 509378]

Sorry my power has been out since yesterday, I'm posting on my phone. I want to catch up before I vote if it doesn't come back by tonight I'll try to on here

[Gunther]

I believe I find myself in agreement with pretty much everything in Rasputin's recent posts, which is a bit freaky, but well done there. I was hoping to hear more from Spiral though.

Havok, I think we still need someone to vote for you as a precaution. I'm not getting any baddie vibes from you, but I caught a glimpse of Vision earlier, who I think might be silenced, and remembered his theory.

That being said, QS it is today.

I have no problem with that.

[Operator]

Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

[Operator]

@ Mikhail - I'm sorry you see some of my posts as a bit uncaring. I do care. If you knew me personally you'd know that life circumstances have made me the type of person to say, "it is what it is" and move on to try to do better next time. Day 1 lynches are usually townies. Scum have the advantage early on in the game. They know who their teammates are and who is a townie. Of course there are independents but those are usually very few. Anyway, I am a realist and I don't ever expect to lynch scum on Day 1. This doesn't mean I am one of them.

Thanks for the response. I hope you won't mind me keeping a close eye on you, but like I said, I don't yet get a strong feeling that you're bad, given your other contributions.

It could be a trap? I agree that the timing of the votes point towards a baddie save as opposed to just a civvie lynch train. BUT, with a 7-player mafia-team, I find it even harder to believe that they would try to save a partner on Day 2 through such a method. There is most assuredly a mafia member or two on the T-Bird lynch (just by probability, there was 1.68 mafia members on that lynch), but I'm finding it a tough case to believe that it was a baddie save.

And looking back on the poll thread, I CAN kind of see why the civvie killer might have killed SW without misdirection. That was one bad looking vote there at the end, if QS does come up bad. SWs posts did not seem particularly bad to me, but, yeah, if we think that there was a baddie push to save QS, then SW had to be one of the savers, since she broke the tie and put T-Bird over the top. I had not thought about that before. So if QS does come up bad, I am going to think Psylocke made a good call.

I just reread this and it caught my eye. Polaris, does this mean you believe QS that the baddies stepped in to kill Tbird and thus to set QS up to be lynched today, at risk to themselves? I have more to say about this after I hear your response.

WQ, interesting point about Psylocke. I was getting civ vibes from Scarlett Witch, but this makes a lot of sense. And Occam's Razor favors it over the manipulation theory. If you're right, it may be worth keeping a closer eye on those who said they thought Psylocke had made a mistake or was manipulated this morning. It's possible they'd be trying to mislead us to throw off our baddie count.

[Gunther]

Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

That's right. I had forgotten about the couple of players saying they were female and they had female avatars. You could be right. I'm not really worried about it. I prefer to not identify players in sock games. I've found that it throws me off my game to know who someone is.

As for Quicksilver, I have gone back and forth over his alignment. I'm starting to lean more so to him being a baddie, though.

[SmashKings]

Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

Not everyone is the gender of their avatar. Just gonna throw that out there...

The QS thing I think could just be a case of distancing, as you say. If he were to come out and say everyone who voted TBird was a civ, and then get revealed bad, it's gonna tell us he had teammates among the TBird voters. He's trying to protect them IMO.

[Nicol Bolas]

dayyummm im diggin the new n improved rasputin!! u managed to put a lot of my own thoughts into words, gj raspy an welcome to the game son

im votin 4 quicky

[Spooky Ghost]

Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

This.

I haven't seen one satisfactory answer to this. The sudden pile-on on top of Quicksilver doesn't really sit right with me. I'm probably not going to vote for him.

[Operator]

Linki: Haha, thanks Deadpool. And thanks for the input on gender, Dazzler.

OK, reread Spiral. Summary:

I'd describe general tone as very...bulldoggish. There are many posts where he asks people to respond to things that were said a while back, and he has mostly kept his thoughts to a few very specific topics.

His first few (on-topic) posts on Day 1 are all about Avalanche and how he suspects him because of the whole Morlock thing. Then he says he'd likely vote Rasputin, for having one post and voting Morlock Tunnels with Avalanche. He ended up going with Deathlok because of the pronoun thing.

The weird thing to me about this is, he keeps continuing to say on Day 1 that he thinks Rasputin is suspicious, but ends the day being only "unsure" about Avalanche. The suspicion makes no sense. White Queen brought this up at the time, and I think she was right to do so: if his suspicion of Rasputin was predicated on his suspicion of Avalanche, why still believe Rasputin was bad after deciding Avalanche was good? And if the suspicion WASN'T predicted on an Avalanche suspicion, why not all of the other one-posters on Day 1?

He then asked White Queen 5 times what was contradictory about his posts, without ever getting a response. Just seems an odd fixation.

Day 2, however, everything from Day 1 was dropped. He was very suspicious of QS from the beginning, because QS was suspicious of Polaris but also thought Havok was "setting up" Polaris. I think that's reasonable, and I hadn't really noticed it before. He thinks QS was saved by baddies.

*Warning: this part is extremely subjective. It come from looking at Spiral's posts in toto and my gut, and as such I acknowledge that it may not be based in reality. However, I said I'd look at Spiral and report, and I think giving my impression is necessary.*
When I reread Sunfire, I actually started feeling somewhat better about him than I had, even though I saw some slightly pingy things I hadn't before. The opposite is true here: there's actually less to go on than before, but my gut feels worse than it did. I can't put my finger on why. I guess it just seems to me like Spiral is just choosing one post/exchange at a time and just kind of picking at it insistently, not really looking at the bigger picture in most cases. It just feels to me like he's pulling at threads, waiting to see what comes loose, or what others will hop onto.

So Spiral being all for a QS lynch makes me nervous about that. I don't trust Spiral, but I also don't know if I can reasonably justify voting him without more concrete evidence.

[Operator]

Dazzler and Marrow both have good points. I'd love to hear from Polaris specifically on this before saying more, if that's possible.

I thought today would be an easy lynch choice, but I'm finding myself getting more muddled as it goes on. It's complicated by the fact that most of the discussion has been about QS. Anyone have a new case/suspicion to bring up, just to diversify the conversation?

[Operator]

Oh! I meant to say: Spiral agreed with Scarlett Witch about some stuff, mainly very early suspicions of people. I can pull quotes if necessary. If Scarlett Witch was really bad, it seems highly likely to me they were working together.

[Epignosis]

Cable has been reset.

[Joe Who?]

the psylocke thing makes a lot of sense, i can see that being the line of thought going through that players head when killing scarlet witch, her vote was the most crucial in saving quick sliver after all.

i might as well vote now, i guess votes are changable so if i change my mind later it's no big deal, right?

linkitis: what? we have cable?

[Ned Flanders]

You know, Mikhail, you are right, I did not answer Spiral the 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th times he asked. I did answer the first, though. I meant to remind him of my answer, thanks for the nudge.

He said that he was suspicious of YOU, Mikhail, for quick like voting to join Avalanche in the Morlock Tunnels. Did not mention a direct suspicion of Avalanche, though, or a reason that Mikhail was vote worthy, but not Avalanche. I thought this was contradictory as he suspected Mikhail for buddying up with Avalanche, but did not seem to suspect Avalanche (although he had brought up his name a few times) enough to include him in the "People I Might Vote For" short list. His subsequent explanation made sense to me, and I subsequently dropped it.

I then was silenced, and had technology issues, so kinda forgot to reply to him again.

I have already explained this, and am not sure what else Spiral wants/wanted me to say.

[Young Lady]

Havok, I think we still need someone to vote for you as a precaution. I'm not getting any baddie vibes from you, but I caught a glimpse of Vision earlier, who I think might be silenced, and remembered his theory.

I have no problem with that.

Thanks for being a good sport. If QS has enough votes and you have none, and I'm still around when the poll ends, I'll change my vote to you. Should QS flip civilian and I change my vote to Havok, please consider me a QS voter.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

This.

I haven't seen one satisfactory answer to this. The sudden pile-on on top of Quicksilver doesn't really sit right with me. I'm probably not going to vote for him.

Attempting to save someone does not necessarily imply all teammates bandwagoning on the other guy because that is obviously suicidal. With a team of 7 you only need 1 or 2 credible individuals + QS to convince several civilians who are not paying too much attention that one case is better than the other. If QS flips bad and we then turn our attention to the T-Bird voters, we are probably searching for 1 individual out of 5 (4 now), 2 tops which will probably take some time.

[Jack Shephard]

Quicksilver is good. Vote for Polaris instead. She's a monster inside.

I saw Sebastian Shaw with the devil...

But really, that's exactly what your vote there sounds like.

I don't know what this means.

I think Quicksilver and Sunfire are good and should not be lynched.

T'was a reference to the Harry Potter game, where people that had their votes forced often said such a thing.

Anyway, I'm voting Quicksilver. I unfortunately don't have time to look others over like I intended to.

[Operator]

Polaris! I hope I didn't miss you.

You obviously feel QS is bad, or that he has a better chance to be than "others" you don't have time to examine. What do you think of the theories that were put out regarding the late lynch votes for Tbird yesterday?? I've been wanting to hear from you.

[Operator]

EBWOP: You seem skeptical of a baddie save, but may or may not believe QS's story.

Do you believe it, and if not, what's your theory?

[Prisoner 509378]

I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

[Ned Flanders]

I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

I have played games where there has been a unanimous vote, and for the most part, the person lynched was bad. Once it was me, and even I voted for me

Good times...

And how many forced votes do you think there are?

Anyone keeping track of who has not posted today?

[Ned Flanders]

Besides Cable & Domino, neither of whom has posted since the one vote post, neither Mojo nor The Vision have posted today. Did I miss anyone else?

[Prisoner 509378]

I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

I have played games where there has been a unanimous vote, and for the most part, the person lynched was bad. Once it was me, and even I voted for me

Good times...

And how many forced votes do you think there are?

Anyone keeping track of who has not posted today?

I don't even remember if there are roles that can force votes this game? My point was to say it's strange and seems kind of convenient to me. On one hand I agree with the aspects of the QS suspicion, personally my biggest problem was that I felt he was posting emotional appeals but I am just thrown back by it because most of my experiences have been a large division in the votes. If he is baddie, are his baddie partners just too afraid to propose an alternative again? I'm not sure.

[Prisoner 509378]

Sorry, not silenced (again! just busy

Honestly, I went (wrongly) with my gut and threw my vote in the other direction of where my bleeding heart wasn't where it could actually count (towards T-bird. Yikes, that was a mouthful). At least for me, it wasn't part of any conspiracy that I was aware of. And trust me, I feel terrible about lynching one of my own RIP again Thunderbird

I'm not sure if I should retaliate and go the other direction and see if Quicksilver WAS the right way to go, but I think I'll wait til tomorrow when my head is clearer to vote. My gut doesn't do a very good job of finding scum so far...

I'm getting pretty suspicious of you, Phoenix.
This is becoming too repetitive to sound genuine. You keep mentioning how your gut was wrong (you do it multiple times in this post) and I remember you doing it in previous posts. I feel you're kind of excusing yourself when it isn't even necessary. To me, it comes across like you have a guilty conscience and know it is a matter time before someone calls you out so you want to defend yourself before people actually do. You also seem to be relying on emotions an awful lot, if it be not wanting to vote someone or reacting to someones death.

[Operator]

I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

That's why I urged everyone to think carefully today. Feels almost too unanimous.

I also am not getting good feels from Phoenix, and I think I can pinpoint them more solidly than my feels on Spiral. I know she cited being busy, but I wish she'd come back on and answer my question.

[Snapshot]

Okay, so breakung news, I'm actually not silenced lol, Epig will confirm that an error was made when he's in next. I thought I was but apparently no. Off to catch up, but I'm feeling good about things as they sit.

[Epignosis]

Danger Room Error...Code 621311

The Vision was informed he was silenced and not permitted to vote.

...False.

[Operator]

Oh cool! I thought you were one of the silenced ones. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[Gunther]

vote Quicksilver

[Snapshot]

So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

[Epignosis]

So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

Launching Danger Room Training Module M-2

...

Magneto targets Player A on Night 2.

Magneto secondarily targets Player B and Player C

...

On Day 3, Player A receives 10 votes.

Instead:

Player A receives 0 votes.

Player B receives 5 votes.

Player C receives 5 votes.

[Prisoner 509378]

So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

Ohh, good question. This would fit my theory as to why the vote is not divided perfectly. I would like to see the answer to this. This lynch is not making me feel comfortable. I might place my vote on Phoenix.

Linki - Ok. If the baddies are smart I would think QS would be a target too.

[Snapshot]

Shit. So no one else vote for qs please!!!!

[Spooky Ghost]

Sorry, not silenced (again! just busy

Honestly, I went (wrongly) with my gut and threw my vote in the other direction of where my bleeding heart wasn't where it could actually count (towards T-bird. Yikes, that was a mouthful). At least for me, it wasn't part of any conspiracy that I was aware of. And trust me, I feel terrible about lynching one of my own RIP again Thunderbird

I'm not sure if I should retaliate and go the other direction and see if Quicksilver WAS the right way to go, but I think I'll wait til tomorrow when my head is clearer to vote. My gut doesn't do a very good job of finding scum so far...

I'm getting pretty suspicious of you, Phoenix.
This is becoming too repetitive to sound genuine. You keep mentioning how your gut was wrong (you do it multiple times in this post) and I remember you doing it in previous posts. I feel you're kind of excusing yourself when it isn't even necessary. To me, it comes across like you have a guilty conscience and know it is a matter time before someone calls you out so you want to defend yourself before people actually do. You also seem to be relying on emotions an awful lot, if it be not wanting to vote someone or reacting to someones death.

I'm willing to go with Exodus on this one, I have to vote now so I'm going with Pheonix.

[Prisoner 509378]

vote Quicksilver

I find it interesting that you decided to vote right after I brought up the idea that this was too convenient, and didn't even comment on it.

[Operator]

Oh. I get it.

So if Magneto did target QS, either Polaris or Shaw will die, depending which one got more other votes.

Well that makes this easy. Shaw is acting weird, but I think Phoenix is much more likely to be bad.

tbh I don't see the harm in more people voting QS, though. Maybe I'm missing something.

*votes Polaris*

Linki: That exchange made me realize I had Phoenix and Polaris mixed up. So in my earlier post where I agreed Phoenix looked bad, I was mistaken, Exodus. I think Polaris looks bad, and have no particular feelings on/suspicion of Phoenix. I don't think agonizing over your vote publicly is necessarily a baddie thing, and I can hardly call someone out on it after I accused Sunfire of not being sad enough. :P

[Phoebe Buffay]

I didnt feel like Phoenix was genuine when she posted "Oh my bleeding heart etc." And then showed up so sudden this vote and last. Not like I am going to survive, but i will vote her anyway and hope if the Magneto theory is true, it would backfire on them.

[Ned Flanders]

Shit. So no one else vote for qs please!!!!

Very awesome point you have brought up.

We can also change votes. But we don't have a lot of time.

[Young Lady]

I came to give Havok the just-in-case vote, unless he's not one of the priorities at the moment.

[Grand Scheme]

Hi!

I am feeling soooo refreshed!

All this Magneto talk - we have to assume the baddies picked QS night 1 but that would have been before Scarlet started all the stuff about Quicksilver.So he had little to no suspicion onhim at the time.

I still think QS is bad. I think the case was made very nicely.Alot of QS"s answers were very wifom and a bit of appealing to emotion.

I believe I am allowed to vote so I am. Vote QS

[Snapshot]

Yeah, me too.

Let's assume Magneto did split off qs' vote. There are now potentially two civs with 5 votes each, 6 each if Cyclops voted in there. That's enough to take out Wolverine and means this lynch is likely a disaster.

eta... we can change votes?

[Grand Scheme]

My meaning is I doubt very seriously we have any worries over a QS lynch he had no suspicion why would they target him?

[Young Lady]

Yes, we can, V. I know there's not much time left, but shouldn't we have a strategy about vote re-distribution?