The Syndicate

Matt F wrote:

Diiny wrote:Wait, I'm definitely missing something. You say he's mafia but you posted this:

Matt F wrote:I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

?

I'm not getting what your question is.

Diiny wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Diiny wrote:Wait, I'm definitely missing something. You say he's mafia but you posted this:

Matt F wrote:I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

?

I'm not getting what your question is.

You said radfuzz was mafia but you said you think he'll flip civvie.

Were you saying J was mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epi, any immediate thoughts on the matter of RadicalFuzz?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That doesn't account for SK candidacy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rainbow action, Day 9.

bcornett24
Strawhenge
Choutas

Epignosis
Diiny
Bullzeye
Elohcin
Matt F

Metalmarsh89
DrWilgy

I think you forgot to include your teamie Rico
Russtifinko
sig

motel room
RadicalFuzz

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rainbow action, Day 9.

bcornett24
Strawhenge
Choutas

Epignosis
Diiny
Bullzeye
Elohcin
Matt F

Metalmarsh89
DrWilgy

Russtifinko
sig

motel room
RadicalFuzz

sig wrote:Motel Room
Votes
Day 1 sig (Civ)
Day 2 Long Con (Mafia)
Day 3 Epignosis (Unknown Leaning civ)
Day 4 Sorsha (Civ)
Day 5 espers (Civ)
Day 6 Diiny (Civ)
Day 7 seaside (civ)
Day 8 Russtifinko (Civ)

Dusk Poll voted for Mac and Dr Wilgy just coz.

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Long Con's reasoning was worded pretty confidently for this early in the game. Seems like a legit response. Out of the two i had more of a gut feel against long con, his confidence and his defence of.

He thinks Bea's response to LC was okay.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I agree with Epi's random voting point, in fact this could be just as dangerous to the civilians as a no lynch for day 1.

so like if I pop a vote on sig here for piggybacking epi's point that to me seems misguided, am i all in or just having some RVS fun?

Votes since he think I'm piggybacking off of Epi only reason he gives will end the day with this vote.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

well we wouldn't want you to slip up now

I don't like this post, it pings me.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

I don't understand this post. He suspicious of me, yet would have switched to LC. He himself though never switches to LC and keeps his vote on me.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this MacDougal character.

Seems genuine to me so far. What about him makes you feel otherwise?

Defends Mac still early in the game so it could be nothing, but worth noting.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

What raises my brows about this one is that you say “make me slip up” as opposed to “make me say something that could be considered a slip up.” I don’t think civvies slip up.

Does that kind of caveat even need to be said? The latter would be the obvious read into it; actually, legitimate scumslips are very rare on RYM, and I'd imagine they are here as well. After all, the matter of who accused sig is an open record for anyone wanting to find it; it was mostly Zebra. Maybe he was afraid to admit that it wasn't really multiple people prior to motel/aokiji's pressuring? Otherwise, the only way I see even the potential for a slip would be if sig is trying to distance from Zebra, in the event that Zebra bussed him. I think that's very unlikely and pretty suicidal though; if sig was lynched and flipped scum, no one is going to go "A-ha, Zebra did bus him!" just because he made a good read on a very early game vote.

My issue with it is the mentality of not wanting to "slip up", wording aside. Town just does shit, scum are worried how they'll look. Mostly. Anyway sig's been more verbose and I guess willing to slip up in his defences so thats a thing.

Okay wait he is still giving a reason for lynching me, yet just awhile ago asked if I would be willing to switch to LC. I believe he asked this to appear more civvie if I flipped civ or if LC ended up getting lynched making him appear civvie also.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

Feels pressured and gross. Long Con's wording on his vote for bea was so confident. This feels like backpedalling.

Mentions LC more doesn't like him or his vote on me. Yet once again he doesn't switch from his current vote or pursues an LC vote yet.

sig wrote:On day 2 voted for LC switched to Choutas switches back to LC.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

Not much, some defense of Floyd but something that I'm probably just nitpicking at he says out floyd. Just a manner of speaking, our as in from RYM, or tiny scum slip up our as in on our team? Doubt it but figured I would mention it.

sig wrote:Day 3 starts vote on EPi for his defense of LC ends day with this vote.

motel room wrote:still reading through but i'm putting a vote on Sorsha so that I can see where the votes currently are cos otherwise it's just radio buttons.

Day 4 votes Sorsha but, I don't quite understand why he did this.

sig wrote:Calls out Mac for switching from Sorsha.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Matt F's theory is sketchy and I don't why he's so confident about it.

Mac's theory on epi seems more likely and more based in evidence but still just a theory. I'm not comfortable with epi - the Syndicaters are defending his style still but when he was under some attention earlier he came out and did just enough leg work to let it blow over and has returned to sitting pretty. Dunno about the SK but I have no probs voting epi.

Mac himself has mostly seemed towny to me, up until he jumped off his Sorsha wagon and started pursuing Matt F over what started as a mild ping or whatever he called it. After that it seemed like mac was in chaos mode and was less about "who is scum" and more about "what can I get away with". But I say "was" because I like how he responded to Matt F's accusation - I read some others are using this as evidence against but I see it as positive evidence.

One thing I may have missed in catch up - mac, why though are you less concerned with Matt? He's not even in your top 6 thingy atm.

Once again voices suspicions of Epi, still think Mac is towny, but has some misgiving. I can't tell if this is genuine or an attempt to distance himself from a fellow scum.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we make dead, aokiji?

espers or epi.
To a slightly lesser extent, Diiny or Devin.

esper who he later voted for, and Epi who he has multiply times expressed suspicion off.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.


Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?

He thinks Mac is town and does some soft defense of him. He also mentions the BK lynch asking what is up with it.

These post really ping me

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?

I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Day 6 votes Diiny over Mac however he then switches to BK

motel room wrote:I could do a black rock vote. Dunno if it'd pick up enough steam

motel room wrote:alrighty, Black Rock

But in about an hour he switches to Diiny again.
So he switches from Diiny to BK a scum to Diiny again.

sig wrote:He gives some defense of Floy but not much.

I've now defended two scums apparently. I'm having a baller game.

sig wrote:Defends himself against accusations about Mac, saying he thought he was town.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DIINY

DRWILGY

ELOHCIN

EPIGNOSIS

good

good

good

good

Why do you know think Epi and Diiny are clean what changed your mind about them?

Epi because of the way he was so firm against mac, and was correct. My suspicion of Diiny was mostly because his activity level dropped off, but when he came back his content seemed genuine.

sig wrote:Final Thoughts. I really don't like Motel's day 1 he voices some doubt about LC but votes with LC until day 2 when he lynches LC. I believe with Day 1 he was trying to keep his options open between Me and LC so he could switch to LC if he needed to.

Why would I have "needed to"? What does that mean?

sig wrote:His solid defense of Mac seems scummy to me, but he is so aggressive in his defense that it makes me pause. However, he also lynches Diiny and that was a close lynch. I think his defense of Mac makes him look slightly scummy.
Motel Room comes off as looking scummy to me, he pushes epi and diiny but in gun to head thinks they are clean, it seems with Mac's flip he dropped the Diiny lynch. I view this as a scum trying to distance himself from a teammate who flipped mafia. This along with Day 1 and his defense of Mac furthers my view that Motel room is mafia. Though I would like other peoples opinions on Motel Room before I place my vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:Morning all, I have some upcatch to perform.

Gonna need more than a joke.

Matt F wrote:Btw, with Epig and LC's games starting, I *might* be posting less then usual after tonight.

I know ya'll are devastated.

Elohcin wrote:

Matt F wrote:Btw, with Epig and LC's games starting, I *might* be posting less then usual after tonight.

I know ya'll are devastated.

I like to be in only one game at a time. Epi convinced me to sign up for LC's game as he said this one will probably be coming to a close by the time LC's game started. I always sign up for Epi's games. Now I am in THREE games!!! :o I don't have a clue how I am going to do this.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Matt F wrote:This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?

Elohcin wrote:

Matt F wrote:Btw, with Epig and LC's games starting, I *might* be posting less then usual after tonight.

I know ya'll are devastated.

I like to be in only one game at a time. Epi convinced me to sign up for LC's game as he said this one will probably be coming to a close by the time LC's game started. I always sign up for Epi's games. Now I am in THREE games!!! :o I don't have a clue how I am going to do this.

motel room wrote:Why am I so far down your list there?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:Why am I so far down your list there?

Beyond the evidence that I think you're aware of and admittedly in some cases you share with me, I think it's what appears to be a recent dive in your enthusiasm. You're making the posts you have to make, but you aren't really moving this thread very much that I can recall. It's like you're going through the motions. That lengthy response to sig is another example -- you're not defending yourself as much as critiquing his analysis.

Matt F wrote:I'm very happy with a 3J vs Motel Room duel

motel room wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm very happy with a 3J vs Motel Room duel

Sit back and watch two town (yes I think jjj is still probably town) duke it out appeals to you?

Actually you have a bunch of questions I remember reading and thinking there is no way Matt expects an answer for this. Is all of this effort investment just to stir in every single direction you can think of and sit back and watch the fireworks?

Matt F wrote:

motel room wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm very happy with a 3J vs Motel Room duel

Sit back and watch two town (yes I think jjj is still probably town) duke it out appeals to you?

Actually you have a bunch of questions I remember reading and thinking there is no way Matt expects an answer for this. Is all of this effort investment just to stir in every single direction you can think of and sit back and watch the fireworks?

I've actually done this as Mafia quite a few times.

But no. I'm a lonely civvie who just wants to catch the bad guys.

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

motel room wrote:I don't feel like there's anything to defend against. Out of my vocal opposers sigs case is the laziest, Russ' is the most opportunistic and Matt's is thumb-suckingly narrow minded but I think he's being genuine although he seems to be ignoring my responses.

That enthusiasm thing isn't right though. I'm still in this despite vanishing for weekends. Coming back to a mountain of pages makes it hard to narrow down what to do next. Defend myself is first. Comment on current shit is second I think cos at least then I have a frame of reference for other things and I feel like you get a better sense of instinct when posts are playing out in front of you. After that its a matter of time which is something I don't have a lot to prioritise to mafia anymore. I still enjoy it (and you know I enjoy it most as vanilla town puzzle solver so I think that's where your enthusiasm check is coming from which is fair) but yeah constantly playing catch up at work puts me on the back foot fairly often these days.

Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If a civilian is recruited to the Mafia or with the SK, if lynched, will the town be told they have been recruited or will the role just be revealed?

Matt F wrote:Linki - I still have my pitchfork, 3J!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:Linki - I still have my pitchfork, 3J!

I know Matt. I know. One day when I flip town you're going to wonder about seemers.

Matt F wrote:If you're town, surely either Epig, MM, or Motel Room are not. Of those three, who do you pick?

motel room wrote:...and read up on the cases against RadicalFuzz cos thats new to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:If you're town, surely either Epig, MM, or Motel Room are not. Of those three, who do you pick?

I don't agree with that or understand why you feel that way, but motel room is more suspicious to me than MM or Epi.

Matt F wrote:

motel room wrote:...and read up on the cases against RadicalFuzz cos thats new to me.

Yeah, Fuzz won't be here for awhile, so civilian 3J thought it best to run a train on him.

DrWilgy wrote:Just look at my in topic posts. I don't have that many.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:

motel room wrote:...and read up on the cases against RadicalFuzz cos thats new to me.

Yeah, Fuzz won't be here for awhile, so civilian 3J thought it best to run a train on him.

Meanwhile, civilian Matt is cool with extending the lifespan of potential bad guys for absolutely no reason relevant to thread content.

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:If you're town, surely either Epig, MM, or Motel Room are not. Of those three, who do you pick?

I don't agree with that or understand why you feel that way, but motel room is more suspicious to me than MM or Epi.

They were the three who started the bandwagon on seaside

But I suppose your theory of the Mafia doing that to seaside only to get you later...no longer thinkin' that?

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:

motel room wrote:...and read up on the cases against RadicalFuzz cos thats new to me.

Yeah, Fuzz won't be here for awhile, so civilian 3J thought it best to run a train on him.

Meanwhile, civilian Matt is cool with extending the lifespan of potential bad guys for absolutely no reason relevant to thread content.

I lol'd at this, but it went over my head. Who's lifespan am I cool with extending? Also everyone is a potential bad guy

Matt F wrote:Actually, though, I said I was cool with a Fuzz lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The fact that few people have been willing to pursue my lynch since that development stands against that notion. It was only one possibility I raised and not The Theory I Officially Stood For Above All Other Theories Which Would Determine The Course of All of My Votes Forever After as you keep insisting it was.

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:If you're town, surely either Epig, MM, or Motel Room are not. Of those three, who do you pick?

I don't agree with that or understand why you feel that way, but motel room is more suspicious to me than MM or Epi.

They were the three who started the bandwagon on seaside

But I suppose your theory of the Mafia doing that to seaside only to get you later...no longer thinkin' that?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt F wrote:If you're town, surely either Epig, MM, or Motel Room are not. Of those three, who do you pick?

I don't agree with that or understand why you feel that way, but motel room is more suspicious to me than MM or Epi.

They were the three who started the bandwagon on seaside

But I suppose your theory of the Mafia doing that to seaside only to get you later...no longer thinkin' that?

At this moment, I'm glad it happened. Nothing against seaside, but Jay would not be with us, and currently, there are more players I think have a better chance of being mafia than Jay.

Matt F wrote:Who would those players be?