Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[ika]

the rest i mostly agree.

@rico, ifs funny that you dont know null scum if you have been more then 4 years

What are you talking about?

Is it that hard to explain a mashup of two concepts, namely null and scum?

you said you played more then me, that would mean you have been playing more then 4 years.

[Ricochet]

Oh, about the question regarding G-Man. I think his post included partial judgements that could veer towards a read, whilst also being structured in the form of a recap. I post recaps myself in (granted, more elaborated) ISOs, so not inherently suspicious of his approach.

Besides, he said he had "notes". It sounds like you were expecting "reads" from him in retrospect.

[Ricochet]

the rest i mostly agree.

@rico, ifs funny that you dont know null scum if you have been more then 4 years

What are you talking about?

Is it that hard to explain a mashup of two concepts, namely null and scum?

you said you played more then me, that would mean you have been playing more then 4 years.

I did not say such a thing.

[Ricochet]

Also, what is null scum?

[ika]

Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~

Sometimes cookies go missing from the pantry but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start suspecting the vacuum cleaner.

god you liek firebringer...... you make that kind of post that i have to town read....

[Silverwolf]

Also, can we look into one of my earliest in-game points, which was about MetalMarsh89 locking a vote early on with zero argumentation, to which he has thus far added nothing but fluff and banter?

What I've noticed with MM-he does this a lot early game and it's NAI-not alignment indicative for him.

Would it matter that a fair amount of times he didn't exactly flip civilian?

That would just mean he could go either way for me right now and is null.

[Scotty]

Also, what is null scum?

Null scum. Can't you read?

[ika]

the rest i mostly agree.

@rico, ifs funny that you dont know null scum if you have been more then 4 years

What are you talking about?

Is it that hard to explain a mashup of two concepts, namely null and scum?

you said you played more then me, that would mean you have been playing more then 4 years.

I did not say such a thing.

someone said that they have been playing longer then me

null scum is null scum

[S~V~S]

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

It's busy work and I don't get the point of it. It looks helpful but is it?

no, realistically its not helpful. to further explain, in the FM games people would just make a giant chart of everyone's claims/flips/ect and thats all they would do. when they got suspicion thrown on them they would just do "OH IM MAKING A LIST"

i know i have done it before as well as scum

Yeah, I have to agree. Sometimes it is sincere, but I don't give autocred for rainbow lists, and I don't do them myself.

Ok, so after catching up, I'll do a basic 3/3 list as well for information's sake.

Good:

JJJ
ika
G-Man

Toastery:

Rico
Vompatti
LoRab

FoS: Ricochet

Richochet has been arguably the most vocal player this game, but looking back, Ricochet has provided nothing with his/her many posts. The only thing Rico did was attempt to discredit basically every other post. This is a very proscum approach because its sole purpose is to reduce town information. Rico has not provided a single town/toaster read iirc. In all of those posts, there is no reason to have no reads at all imo. I don't know meta, so I can't judge based on that, but nothing about this behavior strikes me as protown.

We're only about halfway (?) through the day though, so I'll hold my vote for now until later. Currently, my vote would rest with my FoS unless there is a convincing argument for somebody else later in the day.

@ Epi can you explain your read of Drumbeats? Even though I show up on his list, I feel pretty good about him.

This is my three bads:

Rico
G-Man
OA (somewhat less than the rest) for her unexplained Polo vote. Was it random? Was there a reason? Did no one at all catch her eye?

I gotta feed the dog, will be back before finishing my catch up and voting. I have to leave about 1 ish, and may not be back until after the poll ends.

Linki, I thought JJJ said that about playing longer than ika?

So Rico, you feel good about G-Man?

[Silverwolf]

Two changes here.

Town or leaning that way:

ika
JJJ
polo
Drumbeats
Zebra
Matt
Indiglo

Null town-meaning nothing pings but not enough to say town for sure:

LoRab
Marmot
nutella
SVS-I realize this is a change but I like her recent posts as I agree with her on a couple points
sig
Scotty-carefree posting slightly reminds me of town game

Ones I can't read and am not gonna try:

Black Rock-no posts
bea-not enough to go on
D'Faraday-one post that says nothing
Glorfindel-not enough to go on
juliets-need more time
Long Con-need more time
Neurolunar-need more
Scotty-need more
SokothQultuq-one post
SpaceDaisy-busy with RL
Vompatti-unreadable enigma
Marmot-As I explained is doing NAI things that could go either way

Possible Scum:

Epi-not enough posting or interest in the game
Rico-still pings despite seemingly genuinely frustrated with me-I'm wavering a bit but not enough to take him off the list yet
Gman-Those summaries and nothing else are not sitting all that well
INAWORDYES-was inactive as scum in previous game
ObscureAllure-polo vote pinged a bit

[Ricochet]

Also, what is null scum?

Null scum. Can't you read?

Ahh... null scum! But of course!

[Scotty]

Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~

Sometimes cookies go missing from the pantry but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start suspecting the vacuum cleaner.

god you liek firebringer...... you make that kind of post that i have to town read....

[Long Con]

Also, given that it's very possible humans could be mafia, slight scum read on Long Con for suggesting Dee use her power every single night until it's used up.

Can you imagine? LC brings that idea up. Dee follows through. Mafia hopes that Dee goes along with this, targets one of their own Night 1, and BOOM, skates the rest of the game.

This read doesn't make sense to me. Why would the scum ever target one of their own based upon this knowledge? If Dee did not use her power, a scum would die. If Dee did, there would be no kill. Now consider this on a real human target. Should Dee not use her power, a civ dies, and if she does there would be no kill. Same outcome for less risk. I do not see anything to logically validate this read.

Exactly!

Per the underline...

Why not? I think it'd be a neat plan. Everyone is under the assumption that only Cylons are bad guys at this point, with only the Mafia(s) truly knowing. LC comes in, says Dee should just use her power every night until it's used up. When I originally read that idea from him, I thought it was pretty cool, until I realized it's possible humans could be mafia too. Long Con, let me ask you, do you think you're capable of pulling a gambit like that?

But anyway, yes big risk, but the reward is pretty outstanding. Instant civvie cred.

Also, what is the point of giving Dee the option to use her power if there are no humans who are Mafia? Why not just make her role "While Dee is alive, the first human to be targetted at night will be auto saved." Why give Dee the option to use her power? We assume to see the pro in Long Con's plan, "oh yay no matter what we will save a civvie", but considering Dee is actually given an option to use her power, I'm thinking there's a downside as well, ie "oh oops you saved a human but he's bad m'kay".

Long Con wow did you really vote me already? Really tho, I don't care, you're still cool in my book. Put 'er there champ! *fist pumps LC* I still think you could be bad, but you coming at me like that kind of makes me do an opposite No U where now I'm curiously wondering if you're civ. Derp. But all in all, you're still my second topsie suss after Rico.

*fist pumps Matt, but Matt sees that LC's smile does not include his eyes, which still intently stare at Matt's*

I believe there could be humans in the Mafia. I believe that filthy Gaeta would probably betray the Civvies. The problem with your point of view is that you say that the saved person would get Civ cred. The saved person would not be publicly known, so no cred would be given. PLUS there's no frakking way that the baddies would target one of their own humans on the off chance that Dee chooses to follow my cool plan. You wanna talk about risk, THAT plan is way too risky - only in the most zany situations should the baddies target one of their own for a kill, and tricking Dee certainly doesn't qualify.

Also, can we look into one of my earliest in-game points, which was about MetalMarsh89 locking a vote early on with zero argumentation, to which he has thus far added nothing but fluff and banter?

My favorite was his explanation akin to "I wanted to vote you in another game so here it is" and even more lol-able is Epi's lay down of "oh, no problem then!" Epi even labels Mm as town after that, if I recall. What the frak, Helo!

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

[ika]

Linki, I thought JJJ said that about playing longer than ika?

was it? i seem to be thinkging they are the same person right now....

ill let jjj answer rico question :P

[Ricochet]

So Rico, you feel good about G-Man?

I don't feel pinged by the format of the informations he posted. Neutral, otherwise.

[ika]

So Rico, you feel good about G-Man?

I don't feel pinged by the format of the informations he posted. Neutral, otherwise.

got a read on me yet?

[Silverwolf]

Town or leaning that way:

ika
JJJ
polo
Drumbeats could you explin this one i dont recall him
I explained it earlier but I like his early game solving and his scumhunting-trying to develop reads
Zebra
Matt
Indiglo

Null town-meaning nothing pings but not enough to say town for sure:

LoRab could you explain
Town-like paranoia, mixed with some stubborness but I do question the discrediting of your read on me to a point where I can't townread
Marmot
nutella explain this one?
Well, nothing pinged but I'm changing this to null now because the suspicion on you seems ill-placed
SVS-I realize this is a change but I like her recent posts as I agree with her on a couple points
sig i put him a light town
Makes sense but I need to see more to do that

Ones I can't read and am not gonna try:

Black Rock-no posts
bea-not enough to go on
D'Faraday-one post that says nothing
Glorfindel-not enough to go on
juliets-need more time
Long Con-need more time
Neurolunar-need more
Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~
Disagree, looks somewhat like his regular carefree townish self
SokothQultuq-one post
SpaceDaisy-busy with RL
Vompatti-unreadable enigma

Possible Scum:

Epi-not enough posting or interest in the game
Rico-still pings despite seemingly genuinely frustrated with me-I'm wavering a bit but not enough to take him off the list yet
Gman-Those summaries and nothing else are not sitting all that well
INAWORDYES-was inactive as scum in previous game
ObscureAllure-polo vote pinged a bit

ika: My answers are in this color.

[Ricochet]

I'm off.

So Rico, you feel good about G-Man?

I don't feel pinged by the format of the informations he posted. Neutral, otherwise.

got a read on me yet?

I'm off.

[ika]

thank you!

as for the scotty, after his post i have light town so im just gonna use your lsit for a bit

[S~V~S]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

[Black Rock]

So say we all.

I'm here, finally! My schedule didn't leave room for Mafia this weekend. In fact weekends are going to be hard for me going forward. I just thought I'd post and say I'm catching up, as well as I can today.

[S~V~S]

I just like to keep tabs on who suspects me.

Why is that?

Astute note-taking on suspicions can be helpful. I've called a few people out in games past for suspecting me early and then buddying up to me later or vice versa. They aren't always baddies but it's nice to call people out on BS from time to time.

Town read on G-Man.

Now see,I got the exact opposite from this. G Man wis not a punch puller, and these reads are ALL pulled punches. The more I ISO the pair, the more I put G-Man in front of Rico.

Why do you think this is town?

[ika]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

why is epi town?

[sig]

remind me never to play 5 games at once again pls

I think I'm caught up, and I'm just gestating. There's a lot of one-off votes this day 1 which is going to make it a rando Where's Waldo sort of vote off, I can tell.

No one has mentioned me at all in like 10 pages. which is exactly how I like it it's not like I've said a lot anyway.

I'll be looking at low posters today, per usual. I'm calling the kettle black in that regard, but RL's gonna be RL.

Only five? Noob. :P

[ika]

remind me never to play 5 games at once again pls

I think I'm caught up, and I'm just gestating. There's a lot of one-off votes this day 1 which is going to make it a rando Where's Waldo sort of vote off, I can tell.

No one has mentioned me at all in like 10 pages. which is exactly how I like it it's not like I've said a lot anyway.

I'll be looking at low posters today, per usual. I'm calling the kettle black in that regard, but RL's gonna be RL.

Only five? Noob. :P

try doing double that, thats easy

[Long Con]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

[S~V~S]

This is G-Mans list again.

Spoiler: show

All this back-and-forth reminds me of my tinnitius-it's distracting and even annoying at times but there's no avoiding it so you just have to work through it. I've got notes on only about 1/3 of the players so far. I'm in no position to judge because my participation has been minimal up to now but sheesh. Big game is big and quiet players are quiet.

If you're willing to share those notes, assuming they're about reads alone, then that'd be swell. It'd be something substantive to discuss instead of whatever we've had for the last 600 posts.

As long as me posting my notes gets me at least a mild town read from the mighty JJJ, I'll gladly share.

DrumBeats stood out initially for jumping right in and requesting a letter without any discussion. It was a rush to judgement that was poor but, given that nobody (I assume) knew the puzzle was ciphered, it's far from indicative. Being helpful on a puzzle is neither here nor there, really. At least he picked what is normally a high-frequency letter.

Epignosis also jumped right in an declared a letter for the puzzle. He picked E, which I assume served a dual purpose- his name begins with E and it's the highest-frequency letter (not just vowel) in the English language. He tried a few guesses and we haven't head from him since. It's Epi, so I'm resisting the natural impulse to assume he's up to no good.

Ika said someone silenced him but for how long? I assume that it had something to do with not following the rules. He seemed willfully defiant of the voting rules, which is odd, given that votes are not changeable. And a loving eye-roll for the heated discussion of how he knows Silverwolf on an ESP kind of level. I remember that from E.S.T. Mafia and I've come to know quite quickly just to not get caught up in that. Smile and nod.

JaggedJimmyJay got some kudos in my book for not handing out town cred just for helping on the puzzle. I had an eyebrow twitch when he said he wasn't going to do the usual JJJ ISO rallies of awesomeness that he is loved/hated for but that hasn't crossed over into concern yet. I thought your early Toaster Reads on DrumBeats and Silverwolf were intriguing but I will have to go back at some point to remember why (I wrote that note hours ago and this game is proceeding too fast for me to remember much of anything).

LoRab shared my notice of Ika's voting noncompliance but I thought she may have been a little too quick to jab at him with it in the thread. Full disclosure- I am always prone to suspecting her. For some reason my suspiciometer (pronounced suh-spish-E-ah-mi-ter) has always been hardwired against her. She was the first person I noticed that suggested the Toasters might not have BTSC. At first I thought it was a strange point to throw out there but the more others have discussed the potential for atypical setup structure, the more I try to see this as honest conjecture. She fell into the Ika-knows-Silverwolf trap too.

Metalmarsh89 seemed initially silly but that Epi vote out of nowhere for no reason has me scratching my head. His posts haven't bore much substance but I feel like that's not out of the ordinary for him. That barking marmot gif he posted felt a little passive-aggressive though.

Matt is an enigma to me. I've played very few games (possibly only one?) with him and I believe I've been wrong about him every time. His early suggestion of Scotty doing the puzzle as a cred grab is bold and probably a little too Keyser Soze for Day 1 (and believe me, I know Keyser Soze). His opinion that some humans might be on the mafia team also seems far-fetched. Maybe I'm reading the separation between Humans and Toasters too literally but it's a convenient way to read the roles for me for now. To his credit, he's not afraid to throw some crazy ideas out there that might make people look at him like he's got two heads (or maybe just a robotic head). It would be easier to keep those crazy ideas to himself but perhaps Matt is known for that by now and people would be suspicious of him for not doing so.

Polo seemed to be very adept at solving the cipher. He also threw out civ cred a little quickly for those helping on the cipher. There was a brief back-and-forth with ObscureAllure (who I remember from a forum long long ago as a confident and headstrong player with a lot of grit and spit) but I don't know how much to read into that, if at all.

Ricochet is a developing read. I would have thought he'd have noted from hosting E.S.T. that arguing with Ika about Silverwolf is a fools errand. He rejected the notion that humans could be mafia from the start but he thinks it's possible that there could be two BTSC groups amidst Team Toaster. The latter is an interesting theory based off of the name colors in the role list. Has anyone split those names out yet between red and green?

Silverwolf said she was suspicious of S~V~S and I for not helping with the puzzle. That's all I have for her. I just like to keep tabs on who suspects me.

That's all the notes I have for now. Other players have posted but nothing gave me a noteworthy impression just yet. I'll start back a few pages tonight if I can and see if anything else jumps out at me.

Having read G-Man in context and in ISO, he has not named one person he thinks is bad.

Looking this list over, and having caught up,I think I feel pretty good about all of these people EXCEPT for Rico. It looks to me like he made a list of rather wishy washy remarks about people he thought were good rather than anyone he thought was bad. Seeing Rico on this list actually makes me feel better about him, lol.

Linki @ika, I really really liked that one post he made. His overall tone doesn't "feel" bad to me, if that makes sense. I could be wrong, but sofar I don't see anything alarming. Linki @ LC, hrm. OK, thanks. I do gut reads,I get that.

[ika]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

it is litarly impossible for us to do that. i mean if you look at my scum game si avoid her like a plauge. but when im town she is the first person im going to anchor to

[Silverwolf]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

To be honest, I am not taking this personally, but I get very tired of every game getting this crap. I personally find, if we try to get reads, etc that it can be helpful and I don't appreciate these kind of comments in response to it. I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive, it's just that we see this shit a lot and I don't see the reason we are getting this kind of attitude. It reminds me of elitist players that think there is only one good way to play mafia and that ika and I need to avoid each other. It's the same shit when ika gets comments about his typos. I think people should be more open to other types of play.

If you don't like it, I can assure you, it won't be a problem going forward since we are not going to play together outside of hydra, after this game. This is because of how hard it is for ika to play scum against me and NK me.

So you guys will just have to suffer for one more game and deal with it.

[ika]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

If you don't like it, I can assure you, it won't be a problem going forward since we are not going to play together outside of hydra, after this game. This is because of how hard it is for ika to play scum against me and NK me.

there wil be case by case exceptions (ie truf wars 2.0 for example), but for real, unless what we are doing is stffling dicussion overall i see little to no porblem with it. i need a place to start and silver is always my starting point if im playing with her

[sig]

I never talk to my wife when we play mafia, maybe all you couples should try that. :P


Okay expect a few posts from me unless I wander off and forget to do them. Right now I really don't have any scum reads. So some quick fire notes first then a few quoted posts. Gotta get my post count up.
Glorfindel is a slight ping, but he is always a slight ping. I'd like to see some real in game content he is dropping in and posting, but not posting much content. Besides his civ read of zebra which he does every game. :P
The Rico/Ika thing is confusing they both seem scummy then they do something civviish and I'm not sure again.
IWAY is absence I'd like to see more from him.
I don't see an issue with Gman's list of notes? Didn't he say they were just notes and not reads?
The Epi being so chill about MM voting for him seems a little weird.
WHy does Polo have a vote.

linki: @SW as my grandfather used to say "I'll suffer alright, but don't expect me to suffer silently!" :P
Also why am I a town lean?

[sig]

The above posts has lots of emoticons.

[sig]

Ok, so after catching up, I'll do a basic 3/3 list as well for information's sake.

Good:

JJJ
ika
G-Man

Toastery:

Rico
Vompatti
LoRab

FoS: Ricochet

Richochet has been arguably the most vocal player this game, but looking back, Ricochet has provided nothing with his/her many posts. The only thing Rico did was attempt to discredit basically every other post. This is a very proscum approach because its sole purpose is to reduce town information. Rico has not provided a single town/toaster read iirc. In all of those posts, there is no reason to have no reads at all imo. I don't know meta, so I can't judge based on that, but nothing about this behavior strikes me as protown.

We're only about halfway (?) through the day though, so I'll hold my vote for now until later. Currently, my vote would rest with my FoS unless there is a convincing argument for somebody else later in the day.

Why is Lorab and Vompatti on your scum list?
Why is Gman on your civ list?
Though you do bring up some good points on Rico.

[Silverwolf]

Also why am I a town lean?

null town, for me, just means your posts don't ping me in any way as scummy and you've have posted enough, not to be completely null

[sig]

Also, can we look into one of my earliest in-game points, which was about MetalMarsh89 locking a vote early on with zero argumentation, to which he has thus far added nothing but fluff and banter?

My favorite was his explanation akin to "I wanted to vote you in another game so here it is" and even more lol-able is Epi's lay down of "oh, no problem then!" Epi even labels Mm as town after that, if I recall. What the frak, Helo!

lol, but yeah this was weird.

Scotty-need more i find him a little more on the scum side for ~reasons~

Sometimes cookies go missing from the pantry but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start suspecting the vacuum cleaner.

I'm inclined not to lynch Scotty like ever since I'm enjoying his jokes.

Ran out of time catching up, don't want to chance missing the vote so voting for Polo. I'll be back in town at some point either tonight or tomorrow
Morning

hmmmm

Could you explain this to me Obscure? Are you only voting for Polo as a NO U because he voted for Lorab or is there something else?

I'm willing to give OA a few days to acclimate herself to the game, but I'll be watching her since this vote was very odd.

Oh don't get me started on Day 1 lynches, man.

Day 1 lynches suck.

voted ika dfor exisescessive tpos

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

ika is town, he's active, engaged, interested in the game, developing reads-my top townread right now

Drumbeats and JJJ are also townreads.

Ricochet is a scumread and I'm not feeling great about SVS either. Her lack of contribution to the game, despite posting, makes me suspect her.

Why do you think she isn't contributing? It seems like she is to me.

Quick observations: I've got a town read on Sikverwolf and - and I completely acknowledge that I'm being a hypocrite in thinking this, btw - a slight scum read on Nerolunar. He popped in and out in the same manor I did/am doing, but I have conformation bias on my side to know why I couldn't be here. Was at a family gathering of sorts all day. He just basically said "I can't be here, here's my post, see ya later". It feels like making an excuse not to post, which isn't good for a multitude of reasons and at best is anti-town. I'm also probably overthinking this too haha.

Normally, because I'm used to it culturally, I'd vote him to get him to talk, but I can't do that here because votes, once cast, are permanent (if I read correctly), so I'm gonna put a big FoS on Nero and hopefully he'll say or will have said more stuff.

I realized that the thread was open the moment I was about to leave to visit my grandpa. Minor ping on you for thinking that not immediately involving you guys in my private life is "anti-town at best" You admit to overthinking it too, yet places a FoS on me. Oh well.

OK, I don't know why I am infuriating Rico. That seems a bit much really. However, his rebuttal to me looks like genuine frustration so when I go through ISO's and try to get a few reads, I may have to reconsider my scumread on him. I may vote SVS today instead. We'll see.

Ithink you are infuriating Rico becasue he is cornered,tbh. And don't vote me let me at least get started.

Townreads so far:

Indiglo - looks just like Turf Wars
Drumbeats - Seems really transparent and genuine
Ika - Looks like usual Ika.

Scumreads:

Epignosis - Is usually more vocal iirc.
Inawordyes - see above
SVS - something is off, and I don´t know what.

Well, Im much more confident about my townreads than my scumreads. Lots of players Im not used to play with.

It's Mothers Day weekend and my Dads birthday

I have a few hours to catchup and vote, I have to go to the cemetary & then we're taking my Stepmother & Dad out.

Unless a lot has changed since yesterday, theperson who has most stood out to me is Rico. He kept pounding that business about forgetting "So Say We All", then when I pokedhimback, he was like "just a joke". But it looked more to me like keeping busy. i tried to read Matt & Ricos back/forth last night but Matts casesarealways Byzantine,and I had had a few drinks.

Why does Polo have a vote?

I'm not sure how I feel about Nero's reads. I'll need to see more from him and then decide. His read of SVS seems weird but it appears to be a gut read. His read for IWAY seems like a no u though.

[Scotty]

I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.

Epi is bad and MM is not.

Rico is probably Civ.

Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.

I dunnno, just gut reads. Feel great about the Epi one for some reason.

ika, when I play with Black Rock, I specifically avoid discussing her for at least a few days, because she's my wife. I suggest you and Silverwolf give it a try, I'm so over seeing 100 posts between the two of you on Day 1 frankly.

Hey LC, what's your opinion on Black Rock so far?

[Scotty]

The above posts has lots of emoticons.

Nah jk I see you as a civ this game sig.

Which means...

[sig]

You can town read me JJJ.

I'd love to, sig. Inspire me. Make me feel that special feeling. Do you think you've provided something that might warrant a town read? I understand you cannot be cleared obviously, but perhaps you've said something that you think should be to your credit?

Well Okay.


JJJ I love you, you're my everything, I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.


How did I do? Did I give you that special feeling? Will you town read me now? If not I'm so pinning that murder where I ripped someone's heart out on you.

:P


linki:

:P

[sig]

I had to much sugar in my coffee this morning I think.

[Long Con]

The above posts has lots of emoticons.

Are you thinking that might be indicative of scumminess? Or are you, for some reason, implying that a concern for 'how your post looks' is something that is worth looking at, something that's a bit of a baddie tell? That's the read I got off this post.

Linki: and now you are overdoing it to make it seem like just a cool thing you're doing, not a baddie tell at all.

Linki2: Well, if that's all it is, it just cost you cred points with me, sorry.

[Scotty]

I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.

That's not how the song "Gonna Be" goes.

[sig]

Yeah so all three of Glorfindel's posts are fluffy (also thanks for the congratulation)
I'm not liking that, I'd like some content from him.

I'm surprised by how few posts we have from Epi, true he did just finish another game, but besides his puzzle solving stuff he hasn't put forth much content.

I am going to name some people I think are good and some people I think are bad. Old school style.

ika
MM
Matt

That's three I think are good.

Three I think are bad?

Ricochet
Drumbeats
G-Man

That something for 3J. Knock yourself out man. I'm tired after today.

This is his list I find it interesting.
@Epi could you explain your mafia reads?

So say we all

The game started 12 hours ago and we're up to 8 pages already? This is gonna be a long game.

I'm waiting for more content from DF he is usually a low poster, but only one post so far is strange especially since his one post is complaining about the amount of content seems like it could be an excuse to slack.

linki: That is a good question LC regarding smiles, I've never thought about it for a meta thing. I guess I use them more as a civ? Also why would I indicate my own scummieness? That would be silly.

[sig]

I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.

That's not how the song "Gonna Be" goes.

I'm ad libbing it. :P


Also LC/Scotty since you're both here, can I have some reads? What do you think of SVS, Rico, and Ika.

[Scotty]

I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.

That's not how the song "Gonna Be" goes.

I'm ad libbing it. :P


Also LC/Scotty since you're both here, can I have some reads? What do you think of SVS, Rico, and Ika.

I don't usually like throwing around reads, especially this early in the game without a lynch result.

SVS: null
Rico: I don't know how Rico behaves when he's bad. But his stubbornness to adhere to the rules reminds me more of a gestapo than a grandpa. If ya get my drift. Slightly scummy. Would like more content on other people rather than just defending himself.
Ika: I'll wait for Silver to give her opinion. He seems demonstrative, but I have No reason to suspect him yet

[S~V~S]

linki: That is a good question LC regarding smiles, I've never thought about it for a meta thing. I guess I use them more as a civ? Also why would I indicate my own scummieness? That would be silly.

I was told once that pretty posts with lots of smileys and no typos were my big baddie tell. I cared about what I said more whne I was bad so I proofread it and dressed it up more.

[Nerolunar]

Yes, my read of Inawordyes is a NO U to an extent, but Im not pinged alone by his suspicion of me. What pinged me was his actual arguments and his "I might be overthinking things" to not commit fully to his suspicion.

Im not sure Gman´s lack of actual reads in his list of notes warrants a scumtell. It just looked like thought processes to me.

[Polo]

Ran out of time catching up, don't want to chance missing the vote so voting for Polo. I'll be back in town at some point either tonight or tomorrow
Morning

Whoa there. Can I know why?

[Nerolunar]

Ran out of time catching up, don't want to chance missing the vote so voting for Polo. I'll be back in town at some point either tonight or tomorrow
Morning

Whoa there. Can I know why?

I guess thats a question all of us wants answered.

[sig]

linki: That is a good question LC regarding smiles, I've never thought about it for a meta thing. I guess I use them more as a civ? Also why would I indicate my own scummieness? That would be silly.

I was told once that pretty posts with lots of smileys and no typos were my big baddie tell. I cared about what I said more whne I was bad so I proofread it and dressed it up more.

I disagree with this, I think I pay equal attention to my posts (spelling wise) regardless of alignment, in fact I might be less likely to as mafia since I can meta defend myself. For smiles I like to use them and I think it is silly to try and put to much weight in whether it is a baddie tell or not.

[S~V~S]

linki: That is a good question LC regarding smiles, I've never thought about it for a meta thing. I guess I use them more as a civ? Also why would I indicate my own scummieness? That would be silly.

I was told once that pretty posts with lots of smileys and no typos were my big baddie tell. I cared about what I said more whne I was bad so I proofread it and dressed it up more.

I disagree with this, I think I pay equal attention to my posts (spelling wise) regardless of alignment, in fact I might be less likely to as mafia since I can meta defend myself. For smiles I like to use them and I think it is silly to try and put to much weight in whether it is a baddie tell or not.

Well, perhaps it is not the case in YOUR case, but it was in mine. She was right. So I stopped doing it. I was not saying it did apply to you, I was just saying that it is not unknown, since you said the concept was silly.

You might be surprised at how seemingly silly some tells can be.