The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:An Operator is usually conducting and controlling stuff. It might be the person behind the Process.

Im just brainstorming :P I don´t even know if the Process even is controlled by a person.

I think each of these is an ability that comprises the role The Process, which appears to be an independent/serial killer type role, based on the role mechanics post.

I think this is a valid theory. What makes you think this is what it is though?

It's clear that Cloudwalk is the town faction, The Camerata is the mafia faction, then there's "The Process".

Based on that role listing, and its description of "The Process will manifest itself in various ways", as well as what LA explained about The Process, it seems to be an independent faction, and likely anti-town and anti-mafia, since both Cloudwalk and The Camerata must "destroy The Process" to win.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?

Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?

Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?

I don't think it productive at all. It's not any better than self voting. I believe he even said it would be a way of finding a loophole. I am tired of the self voters b/c I find it a lack of participation and even more so, a hindrance to one's team whether they are civ or mafia. And I told Epi (half way through the game I just hosted) that I wish I'd have made it a rule that you cannot self vote. He liked the idea

That's understandable; it's why I created the "no self voting" rule to begin with, and I'm glad to see it catch on.

Do you really think that viewpoint has any reflection of DrumBeats's alignment, however? What is the mafia motivation for him proposing that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?

Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?

I don't think it productive at all. It's not any better than self voting. I believe he even said it would be a way of finding a loophole. I am tired of the self voters b/c I find it a lack of participation and even more so, a hindrance to one's team whether they are civ or mafia. And I told Epi (half way through the game I just hosted) that I wish I'd have made it a rule that you cannot self vote. He liked the idea

That's understandable; it's why I created the "no self voting" rule to begin with, and I'm glad to see it catch on.

Do you really think that viewpoint has any reflection of DrumBeats's alignment, however? What is the mafia motivation for him proposing that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:nutella, why do you have an intent to consider a vote for Elohcin and DrumBeats? What are the nefarious intentions in DrumBeats's plan, as currently elaborated?

DrumBeats, I would like to hear some other thoughts out of you; you say you aren't against scumhunting but almost all of your posts have been about your proposal. Anything else?

Does anyone have any read or opinion on zebra or Matt shooting off their votes immediately, other than it being strange?

I guess I'll work on a rainbow list now that I'm caught up, but I still feel like the discussion has been mostly fruitless with respect to anything alignment-indicative or hunting-worthy so far. Hopefully we can change that before the deadline.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I assume this is what you're referring to, Matt:

Elohcin wrote:

Matt wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Matt wrote:What's wrong with my post?

It's totally obvi niju needs to be destroyed.

So Say We All

Please share for those of us that its not "obvi" to.

I would like Bloops to respond to my interrogation before I go any further.

Exactly. Which means you have nothing. You just want to throw a name out there and see what happens. So no. No "obvi" here.

If you're town Matt then it'd appear you were reaction-baiting by espousing a read on nijuu with a degree of confidence that you didn't really boast. That's something I like to do often myself. With that in mind, I would say that Elohcin doesn't appear to be considering your maneuver from a town perspective, which is a rather restrictive mindset. If her assertion about your maneuver is accurate, then that'd mean you believed you could motivate an actual mislynch merely by crying out a baddie read and calling it obvious. That wouldn't seem to be a terribly well-reasoned strategy on your part which would make me wonder why Eloh's first instinct was to associate you with that strategy. I could see that being a smear job by her.

As for the comparison to DrWilgy's content, I don't know that that is so meaningful. He is renown for his nonsense and he loves it. People let him go in every game at this point because he has joined the school of Vompatti.

Can you somehow reword or elaborate upon this? I'm not coming to the same conclusion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would consider Elohcin a candidate for my final vote. I do think her treatment of Matt was rather restrictive and it didn't really indicate that she was trying to figure him out -- rather it looked like she took an immediate stance and perhaps even Matt's bait. I'm also not convinced by her response to my assertion that she was a little overzealously interested in DrumBeats's proposal. I've said that this was a unique circumstance which poses a unique reactive challenge to the baddie team. I think it's more believable for people to express at least a little bit of honest paranoia/doubt before easing into the idea. She's responded to that accusation, but I'm not entirely inspired.

How is Elo's treatment of Matt different than mine? I'm genuinely curious as to your train of thought here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:You know, I am not going to be distracted by Matt's foolishness this game. I don;t think he is bad. I think he is just zany and his playstyle frustrates me.

My top suspect is Zebra and it is not only her overly confused behavior which seems forced and over the top. But it's also her comment about being able to trust DB in his plan to vote for an element if and only if the mafia takes out an element at night instead of a civilian. I believe her question, asking DB if she can trust him/the civs was a baddie slip.

You've lost my slight town read. Why do you only consider zebra's question under the interpretation of a baddie slip?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:And no, I don't think Wilgy is being very helpful either, but he does this regardless of alignment. I don't recall Zebra ever behaving this way.

If I had to name the top zany people on this site (right now) it would be Matt, Wilgy, and Zebra.

But you are right in that Zebra is extra zany this game. I am going to go ahead and vote that way. ZEBRA

What is this? You might as well have randomized. You're policy lynching zebra for no good reason.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can you somehow reword or elaborate upon this? I'm not coming to the same conclusion.

Matt threw out the rather arbitrary "nijuu is obviously the Process" bit. There's clearly not going to be a substantive case to support this assertion on Day 1 and I am sure Matt is well aware of that. I don't think it's terribly difficult to find a town mindset behind that move -- it'd be a reaction-baiting read. I do that sort of thing often in games too, especially early. With that in mind, I don't see much evidence that Elohcin was considering the dynamic of what Matt might be doing with an objective or broad enough mindset. I had thought she was outright accusing him for it on the basis that he was just "throwing names out there", though she has since claimed that this was more about playstyle and not an actual baddie read on him. That can be believed or not believed at face value. I do think it's dubious.

Ah, I see, this makes sense now. I can consider this perspective to Elo's behavior.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would consider Elohcin a candidate for my final vote. I do think her treatment of Matt was rather restrictive and it didn't really indicate that she was trying to figure him out -- rather it looked like she took an immediate stance and perhaps even Matt's bait. I'm also not convinced by her response to my assertion that she was a little overzealously interested in DrumBeats's proposal. I've said that this was a unique circumstance which poses a unique reactive challenge to the baddie team. I think it's more believable for people to express at least a little bit of honest paranoia/doubt before easing into the idea. She's responded to that accusation, but I'm not entirely inspired.

How is Elo's treatment of Matt different than mine? I'm genuinely curious as to your train of thought here.

Do you believe Elo when she says she thought Wilgy was "cursed", and that's why she didn't lecture him about his play the same way she did me?

I don't believe it, because Wilgy always acts the way he's been acting this game. So why think he was "cursed" ?

A parallel would be if someone came in the thread and said "Oh hey, Matt's talkin' some crazy theory shit, he must be cursed."

Derp.

I'm not sure what I believe with the cursed determination. It is odd, considering this isn't exactly outside of Wilgy's meta to behave like this. I'd like to hear more in detail about why Elo determined Wilgy was cursed and zebra and you are not.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:You know, I am not going to be distracted by Matt's foolishness this game. I don;t think he is bad. I think he is just zany and his playstyle frustrates me.

My top suspect is Zebra and it is not only her overly confused behavior which seems forced and over the top. But it's also her comment about being able to trust DB in his plan to vote for an element if and only if the mafia takes out an element at night instead of a civilian. I believe her question, asking DB if she can trust him/the civs was a baddie slip.

You've lost my slight town read. Why do you only consider zebra's question under the interpretation of a baddie slip?

B/c DB was talking about how we don;t have to trust mafia to carry out his plan. We just react to their kill. If they kill an element, we vote an element. If they kill a civ, we lynch a person who we think could be Mafia. He kept saying, we don;t have to trust mafia for this. And then Zebra asks (paraphrasing here), how do we know we can trust YOU? I read it as coming from a baddie speaking for the mafia. How can the mafia trust that the civs will vote an element instead of a supposed baddie if the mafia does kill an element. Does that make sense? This is my main reason for voting zebra.

I suppose that makes sense. I just don't understand why the conclusion is to determine it as a baddie slip. I see it as inevitably non-alignment indicative. Couldn't zebra have been merely asking a question about why the thread at large, or she herself, can trust DrumBeats? It's too ambiguous.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I suppose that makes sense. I just don't understand why the conclusion is to determine it as a baddie slip. I see it as inevitably non-alignment indicative. Couldn't zebra have been merely asking a question about why the thread at large, or she herself, can trust DrumBeats? It's too ambiguous.

I guess so. But right in that moment, that's how I read it. Someone else saw it that way too and I want to say it was JJJ, but I could be wrong.

And as for wilgy cursed....all it was was I saw gibberish and thought, hmm, he must be cursed, so I skipped over it and went on with responding to those who were speaking English. Its not like it was a big enormous deal or anything. And why would Matt be cursed? Cursed to do what? I'm confused.

Why does it matter how someone else read it?

Thanks for explaining.

MovingPictures07 wrote:MP Rainbow List #2

Slight Town:
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
DrumBeats
JaggedJimmyJay
nijuukyugou

Null:
a2thezebra
agleaminranks
DrWilgy
Matt
reywaS
sig
thellama73

Slight Mafia:
DFaraday
Elohcin
Illyria
Nerolunar
nutella

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who hasn't yet voted and is currently around?

Me!

For whom are you considering a vote?

Not zebra or Matt. Strongly leaning Eloh because her posts and responses have been inconsistent at best, and disingenuous at worst (especially regarding "not knowing" how Wilgy acted in Spirited Away, thinking Wilgy was cursed, focusing on Matt's weirdness but no one else's, etc. I don't buy it). However, I really really REALLY also want to vote a super low-poster. So many baddies hide on Days 1, and I'm itching to find someone doing so to encourage more speaking and less hiding (and really, less of the "you're acting weird; let's lynch YOU!" attitude that occurs so much early on). Problem is, quietness would be the only thing I'd have to go off of, and a crapshoot isn't what I want either. Conundrum, alas.

And yourself?

LOL @ Linki - Seems Wilgy's on my level. Dunno what to think of that :P

I could lynch Elo. I thought she seemed town early on due to her activity, but she's thrown out some questionable behavior and I absolutely despite her vote today. She seems to be the one most likely of my Slight Mafia reads currently being proposed at the moment as a viable counterwagon to zebra.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My preferred lynch is Elohcin.

Let's do it then. CFD Elohcin.

VOTES ELOHCIN

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think it's particularly telling that, instead of responding to concerns expressed by Wilgy, me, and others, Elo just leaves the thread. Let's lynch her please.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to work with the rest of you to ensure we don't lynch like this again. By the time I came into the thread last night, zebra had already been hit with a major train against her. Furthermore, I worked hard to develop a counterwagon on Elo, one that might have worked if 4 players hadn't just up and missed the vote yesterday. To be fair, whether Elo is mafia remains to be seen, but I remain confident that her behavior is suspicious and she has done nothing to alleviate those concerns.

I can't help but find your NO U on me suspicious, Nero.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:An Operator is usually conducting and controlling stuff. It might be the person behind the Process.

Im just brainstorming :P I don´t even know if the Process even is controlled by a person.

I think each of these is an ability that comprises the role The Process, which appears to be an independent/serial killer type role, based on the role mechanics post.

I think this is a valid theory. What makes you think this is what it is though?

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?

Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?

I don't think it productive at all. It's not any better than self voting. I believe he even said it would be a way of finding a loophole. I am tired of the self voters b/c I find it a lack of participation and even more so, a hindrance to one's team whether they are civ or mafia. And I told Epi (half way through the game I just hosted) that I wish I'd have made it a rule that you cannot self vote. He liked the idea

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:
Or perhaps he has NO reason at all. I don't claim to be an expert, but again, after just coming off from hosting (sorry if I bore you with this phrase) I feel like people do and say weird shit that means nothing and that they have no reason for saying/doing. I feel like Mafia is less about figuring out who is mafia and instead just a crapshoot. It COULD be about figuring out who's if players would use their abilities with their intelligence instead of just flapping off at the mouth about this and that. For instance, if you know certain people in the game are good, list them as people you trust, don't list just one of those and then 2 others as your top trusts. USE the facts you learn from your power. Be sensible.

Okay, I am off my soapbox now.

I strongly disagree with the underlined. Yes, there is an element of luck, but if this were the case, then an effective strategy would be for all votes to be randomized every Day period and to never analyze any behavior. I've seen collaborative town teams before dismantle mafia for behavior in thread. Based on what you said here and your response to me, I do agree that it'd be nice to see more collaborative behavior in games around here; that's a problem I've had for quite some time now, and that's that civilians too often act as if they're LMS.

Do you have anyone you trust yet?

I just mean that it COULD be more about strategy than it is if people would take it more seriously than they do. And, yeah, I think I trust you so far. I wish more people would talk so I can have the chance to trust more people.

As for The Process, Wiki says this: Cells are a form of The Process. When any type of The Process is destroyed (excepting of course Badcells), Cells are the natural result. They are immobile and do not attack, and are collectable by Red for unknown use. If they are not quickly attended to, they will either turn into Badcells or regenerate to their previous form. They are composed of four floating white metal pieces and a red orb. Cells do not have a Limiter page.

Anyone care to try and interpret what we should do with this info?

Matt wrote:Yeah let's lynch the Bloops. She's the Process, right?

GAH!!! THIS! This is the type of post that is driving me nuts these days. Either be helpful or hush. Matt, you are giving me gray hairs already this game.

And don't take this frustration as a defense of Niju, y'all. Cause I know that's what at least 2 of you are thinking.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:You know, I am not going to be distracted by Matt's foolishness this game. I don;t think he is bad. I think he is just zany and his playstyle frustrates me.

My top suspect is Zebra and it is not only her overly confused behavior which seems forced and over the top. But it's also her comment about being able to trust DB in his plan to vote for an element if and only if the mafia takes out an element at night instead of a civilian. I believe her question, asking DB if she can trust him/the civs was a baddie slip.

You've lost my slight town read. Why do you only consider zebra's question under the interpretation of a baddie slip?

B/c DB was talking about how we don;t have to trust mafia to carry out his plan. We just react to their kill. If they kill an element, we vote an element. If they kill a civ, we lynch a person who we think could be Mafia. He kept saying, we don;t have to trust mafia for this. And then Zebra asks (paraphrasing here), how do we know we can trust YOU? I read it as coming from a baddie speaking for the mafia. How can the mafia trust that the civs will vote an element instead of a supposed baddie if the mafia does kill an element. Does that make sense? This is my main reason for voting zebra.

I suppose that makes sense. I just don't understand why the conclusion is to determine it as a baddie slip. I see it as inevitably non-alignment indicative. Couldn't zebra have been merely asking a question about why the thread at large, or she herself, can trust DrumBeats? It's too ambiguous.

I guess so. But right in that moment, that's how I read it. Someone else saw it that way too and I want to say it was JJJ, but I could be wrong.

And as for wilgy cursed....all it was was I saw gibberish and thought, hmm, he must be cursed, so I skipped over it and went on with responding to those who were speaking English. Its not like it was a big enormous deal or anything. And why would Matt be cursed? Cursed to do what? I'm confused.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I suppose that makes sense. I just don't understand why the conclusion is to determine it as a baddie slip. I see it as inevitably non-alignment indicative. Couldn't zebra have been merely asking a question about why the thread at large, or she herself, can trust DrumBeats? It's too ambiguous.

I guess so. But right in that moment, that's how I read it. Someone else saw it that way too and I want to say it was JJJ, but I could be wrong.

And as for wilgy cursed....all it was was I saw gibberish and thought, hmm, he must be cursed, so I skipped over it and went on with responding to those who were speaking English. Its not like it was a big enormous deal or anything. And why would Matt be cursed? Cursed to do what? I'm confused.

Why does it matter how someone else read it?

Thanks for explaining.

haha, cause its shows I'm not totally crazy :P

Well, I'm off for the night. I need to cool down myself.

Linki: GAH! Down with Elohcin. Whatever folks. Here we go...I have a request. If you vote for me, please list at least 2 reasons why you think I am bad when you vote.

Night. Stiff drink and off to bed for me. (not really, tea rather)

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a hard time believing DF, Elo, Illy, and Nero are all bad, but it's mathematically a possibility (since the mafia team has 4 members). I want others' input; which of these people do you believe, if any, and why?

Elo was the only one I'd done any looking into. Her posts pinged me at first and she went out of her way to clarify something, which, this early in the game, I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. But she also had been fairly active up until the votes started rolling her way. Then nada. Not sure what to make of it.

It's hard to defend against, "Eloh is bad, let's lynch her."

But... plenty of people gave you multiple reasons yesterday, just as you requested, and you've failed to refute them.

B/c I already had refuted them several times earlier. I didn't see any reason to repeat myself.

Elohcin wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This game looks interesting.

It really does.

I will be voting for fetch.

That's so totally fetch.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Matt wrote:Does anyone truly believe that Elo thought that Wilgy was "cursed" ?

C'mon now.

To be honest, no. Her saying that didn't come off as genuine. I believe her frustration is genuine with mafia in general and people flailing about on Days 1 and throughout Spirited Away, but she's more observant than that. Which brings me to this comment, which makes me raise an eyebrow:

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

DFaraday wrote:And no, I don't think Wilgy is being very helpful either, but he does this regardless of alignment. I don't recall Zebra ever behaving this way.

DF, you hurt me!

;__;

I reccomend everyone stop voting Zebra. The easiest lynch day 1 is never mafia. 4 vote lead? Only 1.5 players actively opposing said lynch? Other options mentioned are Eloh and Matt? Perhaps DB? Yet Matt's the only other with votes on him?

Hey Eloh, compare Matt's actions this game to mine in Spirited Away for me. How do these compare?

Don't lynch Zebra she's my teammate.

I don't remember how you acted in spirited away, can you remind me?

I seriously doubt this. She was frustrated as hell in that game, and Wilgy was an absolute nut in that game (both being himself and because of his role), so I don't think Eloh's memory is as bad as that, unless she's being sarcastic here.

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who hasn't yet voted and is currently around?

Me!

For whom are you considering a vote?

Not zebra or Matt. Strongly leaning Eloh because her posts and responses have been inconsistent at best, and disingenuous at worst (especially regarding "not knowing" how Wilgy acted in Spirited Away, thinking Wilgy was cursed, focusing on Matt's weirdness but no one else's, etc. I don't buy it). However, I really really REALLY also want to vote a super low-poster. So many baddies hide on Days 1, and I'm itching to find someone doing so to encourage more speaking and less hiding (and really, less of the "you're acting weird; let's lynch YOU!" attitude that occurs so much early on). Problem is, quietness would be the only thing I'd have to go off of, and a crapshoot isn't what I want either. Conundrum, alas.

And yourself?

LOL @ Linki - Seems Wilgy's on my level. Dunno what to think of that :P

nijuukyugou wrote:Gotta do the interview thing. Voting Eloh. Two reasons?

1) Posts have appeared disingenuous, as stated beforehand. See other postings.
2) Her vote on zebra is the easy way out, and the explanation (regarding a "slip" that I don't agree happened) smells. She's not the only one to blame for this (really, I don't agree with any of the votes on zebra), but these in combination earn her my vote.

Now, off to successful question-answering!

Linki - Whoa, seriously. The mind-meld. It's freaking me, out, maaaaaaaaan

Elohcin wrote:

Matt wrote:What's wrong with my post?

It's totally obvi niju needs to be destroyed.

So Say We All

Please share for those of us that its not "obvi" to.

Elohcin wrote:

Matt wrote:Yeah let's lynch the Bloops. She's the Process, right?

GAH!!! THIS! This is the type of post that is driving me nuts these days. Either be helpful or hush. Matt, you are giving me gray hairs already this game.

And don't take this frustration as a defense of Niju, y'all. Cause I know that's what at least 2 of you are thinking.

Elohcin wrote:@Niju- I didn't say I played a stupid game or played stupidly. I've become a pretty good player in speed games, I think. I used the word stupid when referring to the fact that I can only hold so much in the forefront of my mind and once I let it go, its either gone or so far deep inside that it's difficult to recover. I swear I am going to be the old lady with Alzheimer.

eenie meenie miney moe.....Cell

Elohcin wrote:Speaking of trust. Llama, you can in briefly. Are you caught up? What are your thoughts?

Elohcin wrote:I think his method is a hindrance to finding mafia. And it gets under my skin that players will act this way. If you don't want to play, then don't sign up. If you're just looking for online fun, there are other avenues for that in the Speakeasy. He admitted himself that he doesn't baddie hunt.

But unless someone has a specific question to me about Matt, I will no longer bring it up b/c its not productive.

@ llama, I wonder about why you think JJJ is bad too. When did it become okay to just throw names out and not explain your thoughts? This is some lazy mafia playing going on.

@JJJ, how does it feel to have your name thrown out there with no real accusations to follow? Do you think this is okay behavior in a mafia game or do you think this is laziness?

linki again @ JJJ - please reread illyria's post. I don't think you are understanding it correctly. I was the host, Illyria was civ, and Mat was civ in the game she is talking about. He went after her, tunneled her for 4 days with no real accusations. He was wrong.

nutella wrote:OK, I'm back from graduating!! and caught up.

Zebra, I have no idea how you got so confused but it's pretty weird that you voted without even looking at the poll time.

Matt's inexplicable naming of Niju as the Process is perplexing and his refusal to explain it is even more so. Matt tends to be zany but I'm keeping an eye on him for this strange behavior.

I think that Drum's alliance proposition is probably a terrible idea and might have nefarious motivations. The Process is just one role/player, so even with its many powers it probably won't be impossible to get rid of, while the Camerata team is a significant threat and more in number for us to take down. I find Drum quite suspicious for the proposal and I also find Elo suspicious for expressing interest in it and then sort of covering her tracks -- although I believe that she wasn't outright agreeing to the plan in the first place but considering it as an option, but it's still kind of surprising that she jumped on it without acknowledging its suspicious nature.

There's still a whole day but it's looking likely I'll want to vote for either Drum or Elo.


linki @ Drum: huh, I don't really understand, you think the mafia can target specific elements? if they can, will we be told a process element has been eliminated? This all seems pretty speculative, and regardless I largely agree with niju that any degree of alliance/trusting the mafia is too risky especially in such a small game.

Aaaand there's a Cell sock account

nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.

MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.

nutella wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Cake Lady hasn't been here. Civ or mafia her lack of response to me seals the deal. I guess it's time.

Eloooooh

I'm inclined to agree. I'll be around for a little bit before the poll ends so I'll give her a chance to come in and say something, but so far she has ignored a lot of suspicion directed at her.

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

Elohcin wrote:

nutella wrote:
I think that Drum's alliance proposition is probably a terrible idea and might have nefarious motivations. The Process is just one role/player, so even with its many powers it probably won't be impossible to get rid of, while the Camerata team is a significant threat and more in number for us to take down. I find Drum quite suspicious for the proposal and I also find Elo suspicious for expressing interest in it and then sort of covering her tracks -- although I believe that she wasn't outright agreeing to the plan in the first place but considering it as an option, but it's still kind of surprising that she jumped on it without acknowledging its suspicious nature.

There's still a whole day but it's looking likely I'll want to vote for either Drum or Elo.

You are right that I didn't outright agree with the plan but was interested. See, I read the wiki and it scared me a bit. But I am not sure its the best plan as we most likely cannot trust Mafia to go along. I'm not sure if they are as scared as we about about this cell thing. But I wouldn't say I was "covering my tracks" b/c I don't think there were any tracks to cover. I'm not the only one that expressed interest and I bet I won't be the only one still as more people come in and read the thread today. It's a big part of what has been discussed today and I suppose others will find it interesting as well. Interesting does not mean "yeah, let's do it." Please don't take what I say and skew it to find a reason to vote someone. That will not help us find a baddie.

kneel4justice wrote:See, when I had been reading the thread, I was initially suspicious of Eloh but it got to the point where quite a few people had been voicing suspicions on her (as far as I can remember this was before Zebra had really gained any attention) and it seemed the lynch was headed that way. I was wondering if I were actually wrong in my suspicion and the mafia was trying to push for her lynch. So when I suddenly saw things going towards Zebra, I felt like perhaps it had been because the mafia needed to find a second option to push for in order to avoid an Eloh lynch and I had actually been right at first. Then there is the possibility that they are both good and the mafia just did not want to all bandwagon on the same player. So, it is up in the air but I do stand by the possibility that the mafia was avoiding an Eloh lynch because she is their team member.

Linki Niju - Okay, thanks! I was wondering since no one else seemed to have mentioned it! Nice to know it isn't just me.

kneel4justice wrote:Sorry I haven't been around. I've gotten really sick. So I can't catch up or read what's happened since last night. I'm glad we got Eloh, though!
I went ahead and voted for the Creep option.