Smilies Mafia - GAME END

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s interesting how many people give lc flak for exploding In games but then struggle to find him as town through his solving ( imo its correct to give him flak for exploding and I’m glad he’s trying to fix it since I don’t endorse that behavior) but I do think the best way to read lc is through the level of depth of his solving which To my knowledge thus far he hasn’t been able to replicate as wolf. He can replicate the exploding if he really wants to fwiw

I am glad he is trying to fix it as well and as much as I think Nanook is scum at the moment we agree on not being responsible for other peoples behavior. I also agree exploding is replicable as wolf. But as long as he does it people will try to use it.

When he no longer does it is when people wont reach for it.

This is probably the friendliest I've ever been tunneled

Thanks and no worries. I hope I am wrong but I am worried I am right.

I think you're wrong but tbf I'm smiley illiterate so who really knows

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rondo does have a point with Nanook naked voting me and proceeding to fall off the face of the Earth the rest of Day 1 looking terrible. I wouldn't argue if anyone said that it looks worse than TSP's vote on me.

I've been busy

Tbh I kinda just wanted to see if you'd tilt or not, your iso was pretty meh to that point so I figured you'd be more readable with a naked vote on you, especially if it ended up with some pressure being applied to you

I did intent to come back before eod but

First of all...kinda asking to not do that? You literally just saw me get kicked out of a game for exploding.

Second of all how was my iso meh? I thought my game has been relatively fine.

I mean I didn't want you to tilt out of the game obviously, but until you stop tilting as town im gonna use it to read you lol. If you don't like it...fix that part of your game

I suggest going into games trying to get lynched as town. It makes people less likely to yeet you day 1

Lol don’t give this advice to Nanook.

[Lime Coke]

Does anyone have an opinion on Dyson and Falcon? I've seen Falcon be way more active in games, Dyson this is my second game with him but I barely paid attention to him in Bonk Mafia and he was red there. Is he acting any different between these two games?

[ilario]

Though my question to you Scotty is that why is my handling of seanzie one that has high scum equity whereas when I’m concerned on tsp, it seems as though you’re okay to give him a pass? On one hand I wasn’t sure on the wagons so I decided to iso both the slots in contention and the one game related line I found I thought was slightly villagery, whereas tsp actively tried to steer the wagon away from seanzie much more vocally. Why is the latter less concerning to you?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

if you knew it looked bad why didnt you bring it up first?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo does have a point with Nanook naked voting me and proceeding to fall off the face of the Earth the rest of Day 1 looking terrible. I wouldn't argue if anyone said that it looks worse than TSP's vote on me.

I've been busy

Tbh I kinda just wanted to see if you'd tilt or not, your iso was pretty meh to that point so I figured you'd be more readable with a naked vote on you, especially if it ended up with some pressure being applied to you

I did intent to come back before eod but

First of all...kinda asking to not do that? You literally just saw me get kicked out of a game for exploding.

Second of all how was my iso meh? I thought my game has been relatively fine.

I mean I didn't want you to tilt out of the game obviously, but until you stop tilting as town im gonna use it to read you lol. If you don't like it...fix that part of your game

I suggest going into games trying to get lynched as town. It makes people less likely to yeet you day 1

Lol don’t give this advice to Nanook.

I was giving it to LC but I can see how you could think I was giving it to Nanook

[RondoDimBuckle]

Does anyone have an opinion on Dyson and Falcon? I've seen Falcon be way more active in games, Dyson this is my second game with him but I barely paid attention to him in Bonk Mafia and he was red there. Is he acting any different between these two games?

They are NAI for me atm, I read through their ISO's and it was blah

[ilario]

Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

if you knew it looked bad why didnt you bring it up first?

Well because I know I’m town so I’m not too actively worried about looking bad because I know I can justify myself if anyone brings it up as a concern, but if nobody brings it up then there’s no real point for me to get defensive over nothing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Rondo does have a point with Nanook naked voting me and proceeding to fall off the face of the Earth the rest of Day 1 looking terrible. I wouldn't argue if anyone said that it looks worse than TSP's vote on me.

I've been busy

Tbh I kinda just wanted to see if you'd tilt or not, your iso was pretty meh to that point so I figured you'd be more readable with a naked vote on you, especially if it ended up with some pressure being applied to you

I did intent to come back before eod but

First of all...kinda asking to not do that? You literally just saw me get kicked out of a game for exploding.

Second of all how was my iso meh? I thought my game has been relatively fine.

I mean I didn't want you to tilt out of the game obviously, but until you stop tilting as town im gonna use it to read you lol. If you don't like it...fix that part of your game

I suggest going into games trying to get lynched as town. It makes people less likely to yeet you day 1

Lol don’t give this advice to Nanook.

I mean I already play to be part of the poe I think its too late to save me

[Scotty]

Check this progression. Put on your augmented reality goggles for a second and imagine if Ender is wolf. Ok, ready?

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Rondo/Seanzie has probably at least one wolf, I'll agree with that read from Gav.

Rondo/Seanzie has probably at least one wolf, I'll agree with that read from Gav.

Why?

Seanzie has felt more appeasing than in his town games.

Rondo is over-playing his meme-nature.

I could be jumping at shadows but Seanzie feels non-standard and I feel like Rondo is playing into what he knows I'll townread so for that reason I think he's scum.

I still wouldn’t be against a Seanzie lynch today either

Goodnight

Sleep well.

I could be down with Seanzie as well.

Because there is a chance you're town and honestly it feels like town game from you. You're just wrong and thats ok. But again this is all prepositioned with the fact that I havent brained yet. So I reserve the right to reverse my opinion on ender.

Hmmm. My vote stays for now.

Ok so that whole progression was wolf af. Finding a split between rondo and Seanzie, and rolling all the first 36 hours against Rondo. Ignores Seanzie. How bout the last like 12 hours?

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Sean obvious town tbh

Why tho?

Ok so I don’t remember the vote count totals here, but this seems prettty risky to go for Seanzie at this point if Ender is wolf. Could be said that rondo perhaps wasn’t sticking as a mislynch, and so he resignedly votes his partner, but it’s a bit too much of a potential start on a train. Why not just keep the vote on rondo? Would’ve been safer.

Maybe voting Rondo again tbh.

I just want more than one viable wagon towards eod

Ah, well, back down we go, leaving room to switch back in case Seanzie gets too hot.

3 minutes later:

If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.

I don't think he's town tbh tbh tbh.

Why even include this. Why even comment this at all? Trying to appear like he’s still a committed soldier to the Kill Seanzie Committee?

30 minutes before EoD:

Giving it a try is all I ask. Yeah seems really stagnant and I'm getting cold feet

Suddenly implying he wouldn’t be opposed to switching it up

5 min before EoD:

I think Seanzie is getting too free a pass here

Good look, if I recall it’s hinging on like 1 vote apart. Rondo and falcon at 2, and lime coke and Seanzie were tied at 3.

Rondo's active sabotaging of saving attempts idk what to think of but it's rand!town on surface

He could have easily gone back to Rondo. The opportunity was there to switch. Would it have been too fishy for him to do so? I don’t think so, his progression was already setting himself up to be able to switch as he saw fit. He very well could have swung the tide against rondo or falcon or LC, but held fast with a leading wagon. Could have easily made it LC/Rondo lead wagon.

Everything leading up to that last 5 minutes screams wolf. And then that last 5 minutes…screams town. It could be a calculated bud. I think Ender capable of that. I don’t want to clear him by any means because that’s poopoocaca. He’s my dark horse wolf who bussed.


I do not believe more than one wolf was on the Seanzie wagon.

[Scotty]

Bad chop

This post looks straight towny to me. A wolf makes this kind of post at the end of a lynch day <3% of the time. I did the math

TSP in town pile

walk me through your sources for the maths?

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

Townread:
Jack
Illario
Scotty
Rondo
Ender

Slightly in order.

Explain your ilario town read

Still townreading Illario. His EOD is typically town him. Feel as though he would actually be voting on wagons to force things to go his way whether it was bus Sean for cred or kill me if he was mafia since it's difficult to ML me, so he'd probably take the opportunity to get me out.

First of all there's 1 reason. This is something that's scummy in a vacuum but Illario just votes off leading wagons often as town.

Vague answer just feels towny overall. His reads flow pretty well, he typically tries to find a wolf that can go far as town, which sorta goes with his Alison shade during Day 1.

I don’t look at meta, because I don’t know him, so whatever he normally does as town isn’t appealing.

Flowy reads can be faked.

[Scotty]

Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

Thing is, when I’m looking at teammate equity, it’s prettt common for even town to not have pertinent interactions with the dead wolf. This could be the case, so I’m not going to press that point as much as the others, but when push came to shove towards EoD you made a point that you didn’t know who to vote, seemed to cherry pick some of Seanzie’s votes, call it town, and go sip on your Tom Collins in your hammock afterwards.

It’s always very easy to not have an opinion on some players if you’ve never interacted. That’s an easy wolf cover, anywau

[Scotty]

I will reread LC later but does anyone else (Other than @Scotty , if I am reading him right and if I am wrong please correct me) think LC + Seanzie wagons were w/w?

More of a tinfoil. I’m not saying that this is the case, but we shouldn’t clear LC for anything just in case

[Scotty]

Does anyone have an opinion on Dyson and Falcon? I've seen Falcon be way more active in games, Dyson this is my second game with him but I barely paid attention to him in Bonk Mafia and he was red there. Is he acting any different between these two games?

Dyson is playing more or less as silly as he was as my partner in Bonk. It’s actually hard to read because he seemed pretty green in and out of the game and I don’t know what his town game looks like.

If he’s wolf, the few posts he has made are pretty open wolfing I think. I’m not too high on him being town, but I’m also not calling him scum. Maybe a sliiiight town read only because his posts don’t seem as…newb question-y? Maybe?

[Scotty]

Though my question to you Scotty is that why is my handling of seanzie one that has high scum equity whereas when I’m concerned on tsp, it seems as though you’re okay to give him a pass? On one hand I wasn’t sure on the wagons so I decided to iso both the slots in contention and the one game related line I found I thought was slightly villagery, whereas tsp actively tried to steer the wagon away from seanzie much more vocally. Why is the latter less concerning to you?

That’s fair. I’ll go back to Tsp further. Honestly I’m cherry picking my top suspicions in the night, and hadn’t fully ISO’d Tsp, only that the EoD stood out to me as a play with an incorrect townie or a terrible wolf. I would just give tsp more credit than to actively oppose a Seanzie “obvious town” lynch if he was wolf, but I’ll give him a looksie later anyway

[Scotty]

Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

if you knew it looked bad why didnt you bring it up first?

I mean…lol why would he bring it up? I’m not gonna bring up how many boogers I’ve picked in the bathroom prior to meeting a blind date, so why should ilario explain suspicious habits?

[Scotty]

Ok I’m dead tired. Pick it up later.

Glad we got a wolf.

ISOing Seanzie next

[RondoDimBuckle]

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Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

if you knew it looked bad why didnt you bring it up first?

Well because I know I’m town so I’m not too actively worried about looking bad because I know I can justify myself if anyone brings it up as a concern, but if nobody brings it up then there’s no real point for me to get defensive over nothing.

I mean…lol why would he bring it up? I’m not gonna bring up how many boogers I’ve picked in the bathroom prior to meeting a blind date, so why should ilario explain suspicious habits?

[/spoiler]

I dunno, It feels like if you know something looks wolfy and you have identified it and then someone calls it out and you state you knew it was wolfy. Isnt it good to get out ahead of it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Calling, what seems to be, a post Jack makes that is a joke wolfy is kinda wolfy from Gavial.

I'm pretty sure Jack is indeed town here, what he's thinking during the game and the actions he's taking all are good and I'm continuing my townread of Jack.

To clarify, I wasn’t joking. The and the lack of vote were because it was a top of my head not very thought out thought and not one I was ready to follow through on by actually yeeting Rondo without actually looking and thinking harder on it.

So do you still think Rondo is wolfy?

I like his posts today better than the ones yesterday.

[Gavial]

[Gavial]

It’s interesting how many people give lc flak for exploding In games but then struggle to find him as town through his solving ( imo its correct to give him flak for exploding and I’m glad he’s trying to fix it since I don’t endorse that behavior) but I do think the best way to read lc is through the level of depth of his solving which To my knowledge thus far he hasn’t been able to replicate as wolf. He can replicate the exploding if he really wants to fwiw

I am glad he is trying to fix it as well and as much as I think Nanook is scum at the moment we agree on not being responsible for other peoples behavior. I also agree exploding is replicable as wolf. But as long as he does it people will try to use it.

When he no longer does it is when people wont reach for it.

This is probably the friendliest I've ever been tunneled

Thanks and no worries. I hope I am wrong but I am worried I am right.

I think you're wrong but tbf I'm smiley illiterate so who really knows

[RondoDimBuckle]

It’s interesting how many people give lc flak for exploding In games but then struggle to find him as town through his solving ( imo its correct to give him flak for exploding and I’m glad he’s trying to fix it since I don’t endorse that behavior) but I do think the best way to read lc is through the level of depth of his solving which To my knowledge thus far he hasn’t been able to replicate as wolf. He can replicate the exploding if he really wants to fwiw

I am glad he is trying to fix it as well and as much as I think Nanook is scum at the moment we agree on not being responsible for other peoples behavior. I also agree exploding is replicable as wolf. But as long as he does it people will try to use it.

When he no longer does it is when people wont reach for it.

This is probably the friendliest I've ever been tunneled

Thanks and no worries. I hope I am wrong but I am worried I am right.

I think you're wrong but tbf I'm smiley illiterate so who really knows

I agree that nanook is playing very differently to what I expect from him. Normally by now we would have a POE and a plan of action from nanook. Today and yesterday have been underwhelming from what I know he is capable of

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You've only seen me in smaller games I had more time to play

[ilario]

Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

Thing is, when I’m looking at teammate equity, it’s prettt common for even town to not have pertinent interactions with the dead wolf. This could be the case, so I’m not going to press that point as much as the others, but when push came to shove towards EoD you made a point that you didn’t know who to vote, seemed to cherry pick some of Seanzie’s votes, call it town, and go sip on your Tom Collins in your hammock afterwards.

It’s always very easy to not have an opinion on some players if you’ve never interacted. That’s an easy wolf cover, anywau

It can be wolf cover sure, but it can also just be two people who simply didn’t interact which is what happened. His iso is 18 posts most of which were one line sentences answering addressing what other people had said. There really wasn’t much there for me to interact with or to form a read on. I’m sure if you read the iso yourself even with the power of hindsight on your side, you’ll agree that there’s nothing about those 18 posts that exceedingly scream wolf or town from his posts

[ilario]

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Ilario 2 hours before end of day:

Idk how I feel about these wagons. Both main wagons feel almost too relaxed(?) for either to be mafia so I don’t feel good on voting either rn...but yeah idk I’m not familiar with either player so maybe this could just be a playstyle difference. My main issue is I don’t really have a better alternative on who we should vote so yeah, That being said I’m just gonna throw a random vanity vote for potential post game credit based on no real reasoning at all.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Ok, so he ilario hasn’t talked much about either Lime or Seanzie, except for asking Lime earlier why he suspected Seanzie. There was no follow up, so we really don’t know what ilario thinks of Seanzie.

Except here, where it’s not who’s on the chopping block, but rather the ‘relaxed’ feeling of the EoD.

Then 1 min later, the very next post:

I have a read!

... nope. I lost it. Oh well.

Joking!

Nook town.

i do think this sequence is >rand town fwiw

Someone already had these posts queued up and ready to send to the Washington Post. Just sticks up his finger with this aside to call Seanzie town, fwiwiwiwiw

Other than that I don’t have any new thoughts

Other than tsp is probably town. I’ve played with him as wolf and there’s a marked tonal difference between his scum game and town game

Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning

And back on to tsp who, yesterday, was lamenting the wagon on Seanzie. Easy target, because ‘obv wolf was obv trying to save his partner’. It’s too easy.

I see ilario with plenty of scum equity here

I was surprised nobody brought this up earlier. Yeah I get it looks bad. I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through. I felt like the elim yesterday was more or less going to be upto rand.

if you knew it looked bad why didnt you bring it up first?

Well because I know I’m town so I’m not too actively worried about looking bad because I know I can justify myself if anyone brings it up as a concern, but if nobody brings it up then there’s no real point for me to get defensive over nothing.

I mean…lol why would he bring it up? I’m not gonna bring up how many boogers I’ve picked in the bathroom prior to meeting a blind date, so why should ilario explain suspicious habits?

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I dunno, It feels like if you know something looks wolfy and you have identified it and then someone calls it out and you state you knew it was wolfy. Isnt it good to get out ahead of it?

Not necessarily. Because it is something that scum can use to force a push onto a town slot. So I’d rather wait and see to see what people do with that info to see if someone tries to use it to push me opportunistically and that way I’ll be able to catch a scum out in the process.

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Not necessarily. Because it is something that scum can use to force a push onto a town slot. So I’d rather wait and see to see what people do with that info to see if someone tries to use it to push me opportunistically and that way I’ll be able to catch a scum out in the process.

So you think scotty is scum?

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Not necessarily. Because it is something that scum can use to force a push onto a town slot. So I’d rather wait and see to see what people do with that info to see if someone tries to use it to push me opportunistically and that way I’ll be able to catch a scum out in the process.

So you think scotty is scum?

im not sure yet, he seemed to be approaching me with an open mind. i think my biggest concern with scotty is that he was alisons strongest scumread.

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I can see a world where Gav is bad. Will get to that later. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the voters on Seanzie was bussing. I’m with rondo tho with the jack=pretty town looking for making that switch.

What we don’t know is if the other wagon, LC, was also wolf. Because if that’s the case, jack looks infinitely worse.

We also don’t know if seanzie’s role was low on the wolf totem pole, and if so, the means to vote him out for credit might go a long way.

LC is town. I'm moderately sure this time.

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Also finally paying attention to this so I'm going to do associatives/ISOs when I've caught up.

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I can see a world where Gav is bad. Will get to that later. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the voters on Seanzie was bussing. I’m with rondo tho with the jack=pretty town looking for making that switch.

What we don’t know is if the other wagon, LC, was also wolf. Because if that’s the case, jack looks infinitely worse.

We also don’t know if seanzie’s role was low on the wolf totem pole, and if so, the means to vote him out for credit might go a long way.

all I know for certain is that Alison being dead makes me sad. I called her as town

A lot of people did. You aren't special for that.

In fact that's probably why she was killed.

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Guys, I LITERALLY just got kicked from a game on this site for exploding, please just stop with that. I don't want every game where it's me turning into an asshole for a few minutes. Please respect that.

Don't worry, I got to you being town without that.

I'll shield you.

And I'm not a wolf this time. =P

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I fucking hate people sometimes jesus fucking christ.

You have to know that if you have a meta of only doing something as one alignment people are going to TR you for doing that thing until you stop doing it

I get that, but there's literally other ways to read me. Ender literally outed an entire description of my game in Buckets. There's more to go off of than whether I get pissed or not.

True.

LC's biggest read is how they go about their reads.

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It’s interesting how many people give lc flak for exploding In games but then struggle to find him as town through his solving ( imo its correct to give him flak for exploding and I’m glad he’s trying to fix it since I don’t endorse that behavior) but I do think the best way to read lc is through the level of depth of his solving which To my knowledge thus far he hasn’t been able to replicate as wolf. He can replicate the exploding if he really wants to fwiw

Yup.

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Check this progression. Put on your augmented reality goggles for a second and imagine if Ender is wolf. Ok, ready?

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Rondo/Seanzie has probably at least one wolf, I'll agree with that read from Gav.

Rondo/Seanzie has probably at least one wolf, I'll agree with that read from Gav.

Why?

Seanzie has felt more appeasing than in his town games.

Rondo is over-playing his meme-nature.

I could be jumping at shadows but Seanzie feels non-standard and I feel like Rondo is playing into what he knows I'll townread so for that reason I think he's scum.

I still wouldn’t be against a Seanzie lynch today either

Goodnight

Sleep well.

I could be down with Seanzie as well.

Because there is a chance you're town and honestly it feels like town game from you. You're just wrong and thats ok. But again this is all prepositioned with the fact that I havent brained yet. So I reserve the right to reverse my opinion on ender.

Hmmm. My vote stays for now.

Ok so that whole progression was wolf af. Finding a split between rondo and Seanzie, and rolling all the first 36 hours against Rondo. Ignores Seanzie. How bout the last like 12 hours?

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Sean obvious town tbh

Why tho?

Ok so I don’t remember the vote count totals here, but this seems prettty risky to go for Seanzie at this point if Ender is wolf. Could be said that rondo perhaps wasn’t sticking as a mislynch, and so he resignedly votes his partner, but it’s a bit too much of a potential start on a train. Why not just keep the vote on rondo? Would’ve been safer.

Maybe voting Rondo again tbh.

I just want more than one viable wagon towards eod

Ah, well, back down we go, leaving room to switch back in case Seanzie gets too hot.

3 minutes later:

If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.

I don't think he's town tbh tbh tbh.

Why even include this. Why even comment this at all? Trying to appear like he’s still a committed soldier to the Kill Seanzie Committee?

30 minutes before EoD:

Giving it a try is all I ask. Yeah seems really stagnant and I'm getting cold feet

Suddenly implying he wouldn’t be opposed to switching it up

5 min before EoD:

I think Seanzie is getting too free a pass here

Good look, if I recall it’s hinging on like 1 vote apart. Rondo and falcon at 2, and lime coke and Seanzie were tied at 3.

Rondo's active sabotaging of saving attempts idk what to think of but it's rand!town on surface

He could have easily gone back to Rondo. The opportunity was there to switch. Would it have been too fishy for him to do so? I don’t think so, his progression was already setting himself up to be able to switch as he saw fit. He very well could have swung the tide against rondo or falcon or LC, but held fast with a leading wagon. Could have easily made it LC/Rondo lead wagon.

Everything leading up to that last 5 minutes screams wolf. And then that last 5 minutes…screams town. It could be a calculated bud. I think Ender capable of that. I don’t want to clear him by any means because that’s poopoocaca. He’s my dark horse wolf who bussed.


I do not believe more than one wolf was on the Seanzie wagon.

I put Seanzie to 3 votes with my vote, when it was 5/2 Rondo/Seanzie I changed it to 4/3.

That I remember because the lack of push back on Rondo felt really weird.

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Town:
Lime Coke
Enderwiggin
Jackofheats2005

The rest:
Scotty
TonyStarkPrime
RondoDimBuckle
Gavial
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
ilario
Dyson Sphere
falcon45ca

Next step:
ISO Seanzie

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Immediately Scotty gets to be town from the ISO.

Early interactions aren't w/w

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LC interactions with the dead wolf are good too, which is on top of the meta townread I have already.

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One of Nook/Rondo are probably scum because he made that one "Not paired" post which feels very out of place.

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Town:
Lime Coke
Enderwiggin
Jackofheats2005
Scotty

The rest:
TonyStarkPrime
Gavial
ilario
Dyson Sphere
falcon45ca

One Wolf:
RondoDimBuckle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Spew reads done.

Now I'm gonna check vote records

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Rondo's active sabotaging of saving attempts idk what to think of but it's rand!town on surface

Agreed. Let this be between Falcon and Seanzie.

This is also just a great post.

Jack absolutely lock town.

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If Ender is wolf like I think, there is a non 0 chance he tries to throw a partner under the bus and seanzie is a good vote today?

This reads mildly TMI in hindsight.

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Also I never throw a partner under the bus unless I see a strong reason to do it. There was no reason I couldn't just prop up Falc or someone else as LC's counterwagon.

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Ilario also townread a wolf last towngame we shared so I'm not holding that against him.

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If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.

Yes, Seanzie is most likely wolf.

Narrowed eyes at this post tbh.

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Next post he votes Gavial.

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The game doubled in size overnight, and the chances of me reading all that is about 0.001%. Anyone have cliff notes?

Nanook you sure on this?

To Sean: nothing’s happening and we’re gonna kill someone we think is anti town which currently is multiple people

Okay I'll admit it, this looks good for TSP.

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I have work at EoD so I won’t be able to jump on any shenanigans.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Make it a 3-3 tie with Seanzie and rondo.
Rondo at least is pretty comfy and not panicking even after being lead wagon for 24 hours. Could be a good look? Dunno.

Seanzie has to catch up, but I see no reason not to lynch him

This is absolute proof Scotty is town too.

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If Seanzie is town then I don't understand this site at all.

Yes, Seanzie is most likely wolf.

Narrowed eyes at this post tbh.

Next post he votes Gavial.

[ilario]

Ilario also townread a wolf last towngame we shared so I'm not holding that against him.

Wasn’t I the first person to join u on the lcn push?