The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:20 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Seriously though, the bunny rabbit is mafia yeah?

Idk he said he was town, I dknt think he'd lie about something like that
It felt kind of forced though no? Like he was waiting for an opportunity to say that he's town rather than just being like, yep... I'm town, get fucked.

What kind of monster woild lie about that tho? This isn't some degenerate dota forum after all

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:20 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Why are his snapreads boring? Or have you adopted the Master Radishes approach now?

See above for the former. I sorely desire to do the latter. I need to find a new way to play this game if it is going to last, and his is really easy.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm**

@JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Seriously though, the bunny rabbit is mafia yeah?

Idk he said he was town, I dknt think he'd lie about something like that
It felt kind of forced though no? Like he was waiting for an opportunity to say that he's town rather than just being like, yep... I'm town, get fucked.
What kind of monster woild lie about that tho? This isn't some degenerate dota forum after all

I think I see what you did there, but I can't be sure.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.

Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.

Do your thing, my guy. It's a long day phase, and I know that when you want to make a difference you have your own way of doing it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Why are his snapreads boring? Or have you adopted the Master Radishes approach now?
See above for the former. I sorely desire to do the latter. I need to find a new way to play this game if it is going to last, and his is really easy.

Remember that one time earlier Day 1 when you suggested that an appropriate gif could spice the game up in just the right way?

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

Because JJJ gets me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:24 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.
Do your thing, my guy. It's a long day phase, and I know that when you want to make a difference you have your own way of doing it.

I don't want to at this juncture. But also my best guess is iaafr mafia, and that very much is a guess.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:24 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.

This is a game with LiGhT rOlE mAdNeSs, don't hold yourself back.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:24 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:21 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think you're mistaking my D2 reads for my D1 reads. Generally speaking I don't go into more analysis on D1 other than "I think iaafr did a scummy thing"... Remember how I was on you that other game until I very was not. We're still on D1. If we get to D2, and I believe there is someone who can interpret my madness, I might do a deep read.

This is a game with LiGhT rOlE mAdNeSs, don't hold yourself back.

Oh, I didn't hold back in the Bastard game, I can't go all out every time otherwise, the # of detractors surpasses the promoter score.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm**

My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

I clarified a couple posts later, so refer there. I wish to address the orange briefly though, because this is a recurring question that I deal with and I might just refer back to this post number if/when I see it again (no affront intended to you ilario for asking). While I do have a sense on some level of what is or is not "alignment indicative" for certain people, that is not a mindset that holds dominating sway over my solving practice. I think it's a fundamentally flawed question, at least in the way it's most often applied (to literally everything). Sometimes accusations ought to be rendered without regard for such specific notions of meta. I'll include this in the forward of my book.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.

Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?
I clarified a couple posts later, so refer there. I wish to address the orange briefly though, because this is a recurring question that I deal with and I might just refer back to this post number if/when I see it again (no affront intended to you ilario for asking). While I do have a sense on some level of what is or is not "alignment indicative" for certain people, that is not a mindset that holds dominating sway over my solving practice. I think it's a fundamentally flawed question, at least in the way it's most often applied (to literally everything). Sometimes accusations ought to be rendered without regard for such specific notions of meta. I'll include this in the forward of my book.

Very diplomatic

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.

Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

Speaking as JJJ's official spokesperson (he has that much clout), he's looking for me to distance from people by giving opinions about the game that either lock me into a world view that doesn't make sense, or clears me from being aligned with certain players.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.
Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

I think in our first few games together, I didn't know you very well, and I have trouble reading several new players at once, so I probably just ignored you early on in those games.

This game, given that you're offering boring snapreads out of a random generator, I'll withhold until Day 2.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.
Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

Dizzy is in this game. NICE

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm**

I'm ready to rest in that pocket @Dyslexicon

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.
Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

I only have one vote, and I did deliberate whether to drop it on Sloonei or Dizzy for the same reason.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:35 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.
Dizzy, it's time for your evening prod. I'm sorry to have to do this to you. Prod.

I only have one vote, and I did deliberate whether to drop it on Sloonei or Dizzy for the same reason.

They're both players who are aware of the game and will reliably involve themselves in it whenever they do, so I am not "concerned" really. But sure, the little reminders that we remember them and care about them are important.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:36 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.
Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

I think in our first few games together, I didn't know you very well, and I have trouble reading several new players at once, so I probably just ignored you early on in those games.

This game, given that you're offering boring snapreads out of a random generator, I'll withhold until Day 2.

Good call, I'll give you the formula to reading me, and watch as people scoff at it. From D2 onward assume that I'm always 100% serious except if a decision is already reached (this is where it gets confusing - the trolling), or I have lost patience with the day. And if you can relate to the logic I put forth, then there's a potential for you to find me by exploiting flaws in that logic.

Basically, if you can identify which posts are troll, and which ones aren't, I'm an open book, easiest read in the world.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:38 pm**

I generally embrace trolling (and engage in it myself) unless it's LYLO

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:38 pm**

The issue is I'll say CFD Marmot on a 100% mafia flip and people will think that it's serious, which leads to misreading.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:38 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:38 pm I generally embrace trolling (and engage in it myself) unless it's LYLO

"Oh, that's why you thought I was trolling"

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:38 pm**

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:40 pm**

I think my level of patience is lower in LyLo for some reason

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:41 pm**

Maybe it's a reflex from video mafia, if I don't feel like people are on my side I'll just snap kill literally anyone.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm**

Yeah you're an easy read except for the parts that make it hard

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.
Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

I think in our first few games together, I didn't know you very well, and I have trouble reading several new players at once, so I probably just ignored you early on in those games.

This game, given that you're offering boring snapreads out of a random generator, I'll withhold until Day 2.
Good call, I'll give you the formula to reading me, and watch as people scoff at it. From D2 onward assume that I'm always 100% serious except if a decision is already reached (this is where it gets confusing - the trolling), or I have lost patience with the day. And if you can relate to the logic I put forth, then there's a potential for you to find me by exploiting flaws in that logic.

Basically, if you can identify which posts are troll, and which ones aren't, I'm an open book, easiest read in the world.

I don’t think you’re a hard read at all, in fact I feel pretty confident you’re town which is why I’m hoping all the more for a vig shot if you intend on throwing the game again. It’s also why I found jjjs read on you to ping me as it felt like he was just going for an easy target. But I’ll go over his explanation when I find it and decide for myself.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:50 am None of the conversations interest me so far.
Can you please write an article about how to play like this so I can adopt that method for the rest of eternity? Thanks in advance.

I would but that doesn't interest me either.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm Yeah you're an easy read except for the parts that make it hard

I mean, it's not hard if you have a sense of humor.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:45 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.
Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

I think in our first few games together, I didn't know you very well, and I have trouble reading several new players at once, so I probably just ignored you early on in those games.

This game, given that you're offering boring snapreads out of a random generator, I'll withhold until Day 2.
Good call, I'll give you the formula to reading me, and watch as people scoff at it. From D2 onward assume that I'm always 100% serious except if a decision is already reached (this is where it gets confusing - the trolling), or I have lost patience with the day. And if you can relate to the logic I put forth, then there's a potential for you to find me by exploiting flaws in that logic.

Basically, if you can identify which posts are troll, and which ones aren't, I'm an open book, easiest read in the world.
I don’t think you’re a hard read at all, in fact I feel pretty confident you’re town which is why I’m hoping all the more for a vig shot if you intend on throwing the game again. It’s also why I found jjjs read on you to ping me as it felt like he was just going for an easy target. But I’ll go over his explanation when I find it and decide for myself.

I said that I'm a very easy read

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:45 pm**

Jay, just always accidentally end up in high posting games when you have too much work and then you'll be forced to fly by the seat of your pants. Ez.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:47 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:06 pm nutella can join, Master Radishes has work to do

I'm already out of my wolf range simply by posting. You just have work to do to find me.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm**

I mean, I don't think we can have an MnM alliance without all of the Ms and Ns

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:40 pm I think my level of patience is lower in LyLo for some reason

I probably have too much patience lol.

Also, I'm making a readslist because I feel the discussion petering out a little bit.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm**

I was going to give a free town read to the first person to SR me but it was not really a proper read and also I don't want to give any town points to Marmot yet anyway.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:49 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:06 pm nutella can join, Master Radishes has work to do
I'm already out of my wolf range simply by posting. You just have work to do to find me.

My only experience with wolf!MR is that he does post sometimes as wolf (Congress of Viena).

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:49 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm I was going to give a free town read to the first person to SR me but it was not really a proper read and also I don't want to give any town points to Marmot yet anyway.

This is inside your scumrange

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:50 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:40 pm I think my level of patience is lower in LyLo for some reason

I probably have too much patience lol.

Also, I'm making a readslist because I feel the discussion petering out a little bit.

I just need to have a good idea of what your plan is before you leave.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 pm**

For anyone wondering why this is relevant to this game is because me and Marmot are both town.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 pm**

For anyone wondering why this is relevant to this game is because me and Marmot are both town.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:49 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm I was going to give a free town read to the first person to SR me but it was not really a proper read and also I don't want to give any town points to Marmot yet anyway.

This is inside your scumrange

Spoiler: show
Do I get a townread now?

But that's not really a proper read either.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

Is my post cap 100 or 103?

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

K my bus ride is over byeeee

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

Anne alexa iaafr nutella lc master radishes marmot NAA

if there’s more than 1 mafia in that list, then I’m reading this game totally wrong but rn I feel like it’s mostly pure.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 pm For anyone wondering why this is relevant to this game is because me and Marmot are both town.

Marmot and I

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:54 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:52 pm Anne alexa iaafr nutella lc master radishes marmot NAA

if there’s more than 1 mafia in that list, then I’m reading this game totally wrong but rn I feel like it’s mostly pure.

If JJJ finds you town, I will give your reads as much weight as my own, I just find it very hard to understand where or how you come up with your reads.

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