The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:12 am :hmm: dammit now I am doubting my falcon read bc of Jack and Mac.

because theyre both moving there, right? so you think falcon is bait?

I'm starting to think falcon could be bait as well, yes.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:26 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:04 am

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:41 am I've plenty to do for now but I want to be here and discuss before we reach a flip

LC, talk to me
MR, talk to me
roxy, talk to me

I think maybe you guys + jack are all town

Tell me why Roxy is town? What am I missing

I don't really townread much of roxy EXCEPT for the way she is going at mac particularly. I think she might have a point there because of how my POE is starting to look like.

the way I'm reading the game, I think its very possible that falcon is bait. I think you and jack are coming across as particularly very unlikely to be scum. I think mac coming around to just 'lets kill falcon' lines feels more like agreeing on the gameday's bait, rather than mac having a proper thought in the game.

I think KJQ would be easier to figure out if she cared enough about the game, but I'm coming back to a simple d1 post she makes townreading mac that felt like an actual babaloo vibes read and not KJQ faking it as scum.

Show me the post in question.

I am voting mac, but not enamored with it

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

I'll return in a bit to talk and decide.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:15 am I have exactly one town lean right now.

@jack, this is the townlean on mac.

and the reasoning was, mac wanted to kill me after going 'omg hiiii'. it was funny, I suppose. but I also think these minor townpings for flimsy reasons early game are more likely to come in accordance with kay's towngame.

there's also a dumb not s^s associative where a team of 2 scum don't normally start the game townreading each other. that's just associative with when mac is scum, of course, which, again, I'm not enamored with this idea, but I'm finding reasons to townread everyone else over mac other than *particularly* falcon, but that slot is getting no resistance so I think it could easily be bait. falcon looks disengaged while mac feels more opportunistic in this gameday.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:26 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:04 am

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:41 am I've plenty to do for now but I want to be here and discuss before we reach a flip

LC, talk to me
MR, talk to me
roxy, talk to me

I think maybe you guys + jack are all town

Tell me why Roxy is town? What am I missing

I don't really townread much of roxy EXCEPT for the way she is going at mac particularly. I think she might have a point there because of how my POE is starting to look like.

the way I'm reading the game, I think its very possible that falcon is bait. I think you and jack are coming across as particularly very unlikely to be scum. I think mac coming around to just 'lets kill falcon' lines feels more like agreeing on the gameday's bait, rather than mac having a proper thought in the game.

I think KJQ would be easier to figure out if she cared enough about the game, but I'm coming back to a simple d1 post she makes townreading mac that felt like an actual babaloo vibes read and not KJQ faking it as scum.

Re: Roxy, okay, I get that I guess. Not sure it outweighs my concerns, in my mind.

Mac did have Falcon PoE earlier in the game I believe. Actually, if anything bugs me about Mac it's that his POE was entirely 'low posters' and he didn't want to reevaluate that until recently adding you to it. I get what you mean about him latching onto today's bait, assuming falcon is indeed bait, which I'm not sold on. I thought Mac seemed to genuinely wolfread me yesterday, or at least come at in a different way than I'd expect scum!him to do.

I'm just torn, as it seems we all are. Maybe it's just falcon and this game is easier than I feared and I'm overthinking Roxy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:19 am I'm assuming that the wolves don't have any kind of "if X happens, you die" stipulation. Maybe. Probably.

Theme spoilers

Spoiler: show

Iirc, in the end, nobody is a wolf. They've been tricked into trying to find and kill a traitor that isn't among them.

Don't yell at me if I'm totally wrong about that, Sprityo. I dropped the show halfway through because I was mad about the last Danganronpa video game.

Wasn't there a Syndicate game that had no wolves once? I recall it being a touch controversial. I can't imagine it's a repeat of that concept.

3 wolves + 1 3P in a 13er doesn't seem that unbalanced to me depending on roles and such.

Jack has a point about the 'you die if x happens' features though. Maybe some are expected to happen and so only 2 wolves? That seems mean to the wolves though. I'd at least want a lost wolf as well or something, if it were me.

Honestly though it's a fool's errand to speculate on the setup. Let's just find one wolf first.

I continue to get no traction on the Roxy suss and I don't know what it means about the gamestate but I'm going to stubbornly sit here until someone plays with me.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:42 am and KJQ but like

she just wants to murder me in every game now so that's the current meta.

You call my solve asinine and you say I just want to murder you? Maybe play better because insulting me and my play here is just stupid. You know I’m town and you’ve said it multiple times and yet you’re trying to keep me as an option why? Must be because you’re scum because your reasoning is insane and it makes no sense to ever sus me here. You know my town game and this is it. In that other game that ended elsewhere you admitted you played badly and it was a weird format so don’t act like just because I sussed you there and here, suddenly I just want to kill you as a new meta. It’s bullshit and it looks like you’re trying to diminish my reasons for scumreading you.

I spent all my energy trying to make you townread me and you literally poisoned me when you could've poisoned scum!mak instead

there is no way mak was townier and findable when he was just scum pocketing you

but about this game, yes I think you should find a better more realistic solve if you're town and I can't sit here and pretend that 'early townping on mac' and *got roleblocked* are decent enough reasons to townread you over people you're trying to kill like master radishes the towniest slot of endgame

Those that formed the late wagon on town are still voting together which means me, Roxy, Mac and Jack need to consolidate.

I think it should be on MR as that was who that counter wagon saved.

I will absolutely BoP you in forum format the same way you were BoP'ing me playing something insane that I have never played before and didn't know what to do at all

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:02 pm Those that formed the late wagon on town are still voting together which means me, Roxy, Mac and Jack need to consolidate.

I think it should be on MR as that was who that counter wagon saved.

again, are you even reading MR's posts to come to this conclusion?

why are you working with foregone conclusions like this?

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:02 pm Those that formed the late wagon on town are still voting together which means me, Roxy, Mac and Jack need to consolidate.

I think it should be on MR as that was who that counter wagon saved.

YeEt Mr FoR iNfO

D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:00 pm I spent all my energy trying to make you townread me and you literally poisoned me when you could've poisoned scum!mak instead

there is no way mak was townier and findable when he was just scum pocketing you

but about this game, yes I think you should find a better more realistic solve if you're town and I can't sit here and pretend that 'early townping on mac' and *got roleblocked* are decent enough reasons to townread you over people you're trying to kill like master radishes the towniest slot of endgame

I could only kill the person I was camping with so no, I could only kill you and when I said which of us got pocketed, YOU said Bessie was more likely scum that Mak so don’t act like you’d have made the right choice anyway. You seem bitter about another game and are taking it out on me here. Please stop.

your reasons for scumreading me are not great, kay. you're scumreading me for townreading an unflipped slot on a babaloo associative read you decided to have.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:05 pm D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

You weren’t the counter. And wasn’t one of those flipped 3p?

I have no reason to townread roxy particularly.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:05 pm D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

You weren’t the counter. And wasn’t one of those flipped 3p?

it doesnt matter if its 3p to the scum team

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm your reasons for scumreading me are not great, kay. you're scumreading me for townreading an unflipped slot on a babaloo associative read you decided to have.

You townread MR because “emotional reaction” which is flimsier than fuck. Look at that counter wagon and tell me that didn’t look sus as shit with 1 hour left in the day and that slot flipping town. You’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility for throwing votes on a town slot that even you admitted didn’t do anything wrong.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:05 pm D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

You weren’t the counter. And wasn’t one of those flipped 3p?

I wasn't? Why did I have 4 votes then to Wilgy's 4?

Unless you're being specific in wilgy being the counter since his wagon came second. But my point stands - town has failed on three choices but you seem to think this time will be different. We're you a WWi general in your past life?

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:09 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm your reasons for scumreading me are not great, kay. you're scumreading me for townreading an unflipped slot on a babaloo associative read you decided to have.

You townread MR because “emotional reaction” which is flimsier than fuck. Look at that counter wagon and tell me that didn’t look sus as shit with 1 hour left in the day and that slot flipping town. You’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility for throwing votes on a town slot that even you admitted didn’t do anything wrong.

no, you're just adding an adjective to something that happened and asking me to agree with that. I know the late CW wasn't sus because I participated in it. I participated in it because I read MR's posts. which is something you're not. like. you literally have nothing to say about radish other than 'they were saved so they are scum'. I don't think the guy is scummy now that he decided to play. I will keep defending him. defending my townreads is something I do. I did it with you particularly.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:09 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm your reasons for scumreading me are not great, kay. you're scumreading me for townreading an unflipped slot on a babaloo associative read you decided to have.

You townread MR because “emotional reaction” which is flimsier than fuck. Look at that counter wagon and tell me that didn’t look sus as shit with 1 hour left in the day and that slot flipping town. You’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility for throwing votes on a town slot that even you admitted didn’t do anything wrong.

It's only sus if I'm wolf.

But guess what.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:11 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:09 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm your reasons for scumreading me are not great, kay. you're scumreading me for townreading an unflipped slot on a babaloo associative read you decided to have.

You townread MR because “emotional reaction” which is flimsier than fuck. Look at that counter wagon and tell me that didn’t look sus as shit with 1 hour left in the day and that slot flipping town. You’re trying to absolve yourself of responsibility for throwing votes on a town slot that even you admitted didn’t do anything wrong.

no, you're just adding an adjective to something that happened and asking me to agree with that. I know the late CW wasn't sus because I participated in it. I participated in it because I read MR's posts. which is something you're not. like. you literally have nothing to say about radish other than 'they were saved so they are scum'. I don't think the guy is scummy now that he decided to play. I will keep defending him. defending my townreads is something I do. I did it with you particularly.

Okay what if LC and Falcon are scum? Are you saying scum resides in the 4 that voted MR? I think you’re not playing logically at all. Saying the counterwagon isn’t sus because you’re on it is one of the dumbest things I think you’ve ever said. You don’t know anyone’s alignment unless you’re scum so how are you so sure? You’re NEVER that sure.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:11 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:05 pm D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

You weren’t the counter. And wasn’t one of those flipped 3p?

I wasn't? Why did I have 4 votes then to Wilgy's 4?

Unless you're being specific in wilgy being the counter since his wagon came second. But my point stands - town has failed on three choices but you seem to think this time will be different. We're you a WWi general in your past life?

Counterwagon means you are trying to counter the current wagon. You weren’t the current wagon therefore the counterwagon was on Wilgy.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

This is why you're my favourite

You were* the current wagon

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:11 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:06 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:05 pm D1 was a town. D1 counter was a town. D2 was a town.

I know, let's keep doing what we're doing and kill the D2 counter.

You weren’t the counter. And wasn’t one of those flipped 3p?

I wasn't? Why did I have 4 votes then to Wilgy's 4?

Unless you're being specific in wilgy being the counter since his wagon came second. But my point stands - town has failed on three choices but you seem to think this time will be different. We're you a WWi general in your past life?

Counterwagon means you are trying to counter the current wagon. You weren’t the current wagon therefore the counterwagon was on Wilgy.

Okay and? That doesn't actually disprove the point I'm trying to make.

I can’t tell who is pocketing who or if you’re both just bad.

Gims are you sure about KJ? Because this is like hitting a brick wall.

Like I get townies can be stubborn but wolves also like to preserve a favourable gamestate by resisting a new direction.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm Okay what if LC and Falcon are scum? Are you saying scum resides in the 4 that voted MR? I think you’re not playing logically at all. Saying the counterwagon isn’t sus because you’re on it is one of the dumbest things I think you’ve ever said. You don’t know anyone’s alignment unless you’re scum so how are you so sure? You’re NEVER that sure.

you know what I think is sus? coming here the next day going 'this townie (which is me) and this guy he is townreading are both mafia'

I was literally voteparking on MR until I decided to care for a guy that went full on self vote on me. like, dont you even know my townplay anymore? of course I'll defend a reaction that I think is legit coming from town. the entire string of posting by MR. if he is scum I go ahead and eat crew, I don't think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong, and you're playing this very lazily. you didn't even read my posts either, you're just repeating something here when almost everyone that happens to be a townie is abandoning the associative for better solves. thats not townie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:39 am .

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:13 am .

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:56 am .

We need to consolidate our votes

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:17 pm Gims are you sure about KJ? Because this is like hitting a brick wall.

Like I get townies can be stubborn but wolves also like to preserve a favourable gamestate by resisting a new direction.

I'm not really in condition to evaluate atm, I think she was towny on d1 so I'm gonna stick with that read for now

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:39 am .

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:13 am .

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:56 am .

We need to consolidate our votes

You really think a me/gims scumteam is acting this way? And that all those people are town for it?

Yeesh.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:19 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm Okay what if LC and Falcon are scum? Are you saying scum resides in the 4 that voted MR? I think you’re not playing logically at all. Saying the counterwagon isn’t sus because you’re on it is one of the dumbest things I think you’ve ever said. You don’t know anyone’s alignment unless you’re scum so how are you so sure? You’re NEVER that sure.

you know what I think is sus? coming here the next day going 'this townie (which is me) and this guy he is townreading are both mafia'

I was literally voteparking on MR until I decided to care for a guy that went full on self vote on me. like, dont you even know my townplay anymore? of course I'll defend a reaction that I think is legit coming from town. the entire string of posting by MR. if he is scum I go ahead and eat crew, I don't think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong, and you're playing this very lazily. you didn't even read my posts either, you're just repeating something here when almost everyone that happens to be a townie is abandoning the associative for better solves. thats not townie.

You know I’m town. Town!you would be annoyed that I’m wrong (from ypov) but you wouldn’t sus me for it, you’d say I’m being silly. This is not town you because you’re not trying to get me to understand your pov but instead saying that my actions are sus which you KNOW they’re not. That’s why I think you’re scum.

Let's just do a 4 way rand finale funsies.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm Let's just do a 4 way rand finale funsies.

*For

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:22 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:39 am .

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:13 am .

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:56 am .

We need to consolidate our votes

You really think a me/gims scumteam is acting this way? And that all those people are town for it?

Yeesh.

I think scum has been active in the last hour two days in a row now making sure they get the wagon on a townie. So yes. I think scum care more about this game than town right now and I’m the only one trying to oppose you in the last hour where it’s going to make or break if we get scum out.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:23 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:19 pm

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm Okay what if LC and Falcon are scum? Are you saying scum resides in the 4 that voted MR? I think you’re not playing logically at all. Saying the counterwagon isn’t sus because you’re on it is one of the dumbest things I think you’ve ever said. You don’t know anyone’s alignment unless you’re scum so how are you so sure? You’re NEVER that sure.

you know what I think is sus? coming here the next day going 'this townie (which is me) and this guy he is townreading are both mafia'

I was literally voteparking on MR until I decided to care for a guy that went full on self vote on me. like, dont you even know my townplay anymore? of course I'll defend a reaction that I think is legit coming from town. the entire string of posting by MR. if he is scum I go ahead and eat crew, I don't think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong, and you're playing this very lazily. you didn't even read my posts either, you're just repeating something here when almost everyone that happens to be a townie is abandoning the associative for better solves. thats not townie.

You know I’m town. Town!you would be annoyed that I’m wrong (from ypov) but you wouldn’t sus me for it, you’d say I’m being silly. This is not town you because you’re not trying to get me to understand your pov but instead saying that my actions are sus which you KNOW they’re not. That’s why I think you’re scum.

okay, youre town.

I dont think its MR. can we agree on someone sussier than radish?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:15 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

This is why you're my favourite

Why haven't you told anyone that you fought me even after I said "no thank you"? I posted v early in the day I was fought and won but you haven't told anyone you FORCED the fight and lost?

This is so fucking dire of a vote that I’m honestly baffled no one is here trying to figure it out. If we vote town out here WE LOSE (town does) because scum kill town at night and then we are equal numbers and lose. Why is no one taking this seriously?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:15 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

This is why you're my favourite

Why haven't you told anyone that you fought me even after I said "no thank you"? I posted v early in the day I was fought and won but you haven't told anyone you FORCED the fight and lost?

oh shit

okay maybe its radish?

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:29 pm This is so fucking dire of a vote that I’m honestly baffled no one is here trying to figure it out. If we vote town out here WE LOSE (town does) because scum kill town at night and then we are equal numbers and lose. Why is no one taking this seriously?

I'm trying and vote says so.

why are you fighting people at night, rad

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:29 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:15 pm

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:14 pm [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

This is why you're my favourite

Why haven't you told anyone that you fought me even after I said "no thank you"? I posted v early in the day I was fought and won but you haven't told anyone you FORCED the fight and lost?

oh shit

I bet one of your “townreads” also roleblocked me, unless it was you, since no one is claiming it and we don’t have TSP’s flip.