The Syndicate

Havok wrote: Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

Sunfire wrote:@ Mikhail - I'm sorry you see some of my posts as a bit uncaring. I do care. If you knew me personally you'd know that life circumstances have made me the type of person to say, "it is what it is" and move on to try to do better next time. Day 1 lynches are usually townies. Scum have the advantage early on in the game. They know who their teammates are and who is a townie. Of course there are independents but those are usually very few. Anyway, I am a realist and I don't ever expect to lynch scum on Day 1. This doesn't mean I am one of them.

Thanks for the response. I hope you won't mind me keeping a close eye on you, but like I said, I don't yet get a strong feeling that you're bad, given your other contributions.

White Queen wrote:

Polaris wrote:
It could be a trap? I agree that the timing of the votes point towards a baddie save as opposed to just a civvie lynch train. BUT, with a 7-player mafia-team, I find it even harder to believe that they would try to save a partner on Day 2 through such a method. There is most assuredly a mafia member or two on the T-Bird lynch (just by probability, there was 1.68 mafia members on that lynch), but I'm finding it a tough case to believe that it was a baddie save.

And looking back on the poll thread, I CAN kind of see why the civvie killer might have killed SW without misdirection. That was one bad looking vote there at the end, if QS does come up bad. SWs posts did not seem particularly bad to me, but, yeah, if we think that there was a baddie push to save QS, then SW had to be one of the savers, since she broke the tie and put T-Bird over the top. I had not thought about that before. So if QS does come up bad, I am going to think Psylocke made a good call.

I just reread this and it caught my eye. Polaris, does this mean you believe QS that the baddies stepped in to kill Tbird and thus to set QS up to be lynched today, at risk to themselves? I have more to say about this after I hear your response.

WQ, interesting point about Psylocke. I was getting civ vibes from Scarlett Witch, but this makes a lot of sense. And Occam's Razor favors it over the manipulation theory. If you're right, it may be worth keeping a closer eye on those who said they thought Psylocke had made a mistake or was manipulated this morning. It's possible they'd be trying to mislead us to throw off our baddie count.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote: Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

That's right. I had forgotten about the couple of players saying they were female and they had female avatars. You could be right. I'm not really worried about it. I prefer to not identify players in sock games. I've found that it throws me off my game to know who someone is.

As for Quicksilver, I have gone back and forth over his alignment. I'm starting to lean more so to him being a baddie, though.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote: Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

Not everyone is the gender of their avatar. Just gonna throw that out there...

The QS thing I think could just be a case of distancing, as you say. If he were to come out and say everyone who voted TBird was a civ, and then get revealed bad, it's gonna tell us he had teammates among the TBird voters. He's trying to protect them IMO.

dayyummm im diggin the new n improved rasputin!! u managed to put a lot of my own thoughts into words, gj raspy an welcome to the game son

im votin 4 quicky

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote: Glad to have your thoughts! I'm responding generally to all 3 of your posts, but I'm only quoting this one so as not to clog up the thread with a super long post. I quoted this particular post because I wanted to ask you about your last point there. Why exactly do you suspect that every player got a same gendered avatar?

You make some great points about the Quicksilver lynch. I hadn't thought about it in that way. You are right that it doesn't make sense for the baddies to save Quicksilver just so that he could be lynched the following day unless they thought that T-Bird wouldn't have otherwise been lynched next if QS had gone first. Baddies voting to save Quicksilver (if QS is civvie) would be a very risky move..I would say just as risky as voting to save a team mate Quicksilver. I can agree here that baddies voting to lynch T-Bird over QS only really adds up if QS is their team mate.

Also, I agree with the suspicion of Spiral. It had actually slipped my mind a bit with all the attention on Quicksilver, but Spiral's post responding to Hawkeye saying, "Why the hell are you discussing the secrets of a civilian role?" when Hawkeye was not doing anything that would put Storm in any danger came off as instigating and not from a civvie point of view. I think it's also telling that Spiral has not responded to Hawkeye's recent post.

Thanks for reading, Havok. Irealize I posted a bunch of stuff all at once, there. My suspicion that we're all the genders of our avatars is mostly just a hunch. The genders match for all the players who I feel confident I can identify. I believe a lot of the female-avatar players were saying earlier that they were actually females as well, though I'd have to look this up. I doubt it's material to the discussion anymore, just wanted to say it while it was on my mind.

The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

This.

I haven't seen one satisfactory answer to this. The sudden pile-on on top of Quicksilver doesn't really sit right with me. I'm probably not going to vote for him.

Linki: Haha, thanks Deadpool. And thanks for the input on gender, Dazzler.

OK, reread Spiral. Summary:

I'd describe general tone as very...bulldoggish. There are many posts where he asks people to respond to things that were said a while back, and he has mostly kept his thoughts to a few very specific topics.

His first few (on-topic) posts on Day 1 are all about Avalanche and how he suspects him because of the whole Morlock thing. Then he says he'd likely vote Rasputin, for having one post and voting Morlock Tunnels with Avalanche. He ended up going with Deathlok because of the pronoun thing.

The weird thing to me about this is, he keeps continuing to say on Day 1 that he thinks Rasputin is suspicious, but ends the day being only "unsure" about Avalanche. The suspicion makes no sense. White Queen brought this up at the time, and I think she was right to do so: if his suspicion of Rasputin was predicated on his suspicion of Avalanche, why still believe Rasputin was bad after deciding Avalanche was good? And if the suspicion WASN'T predicted on an Avalanche suspicion, why not all of the other one-posters on Day 1?

He then asked White Queen 5 times what was contradictory about his posts, without ever getting a response. Just seems an odd fixation.

Day 2, however, everything from Day 1 was dropped. He was very suspicious of QS from the beginning, because QS was suspicious of Polaris but also thought Havok was "setting up" Polaris. I think that's reasonable, and I hadn't really noticed it before. He thinks QS was saved by baddies.

*Warning: this part is extremely subjective. It come from looking at Spiral's posts in toto and my gut, and as such I acknowledge that it may not be based in reality. However, I said I'd look at Spiral and report, and I think giving my impression is necessary.*
When I reread Sunfire, I actually started feeling somewhat better about him than I had, even though I saw some slightly pingy things I hadn't before. The opposite is true here: there's actually less to go on than before, but my gut feels worse than it did. I can't put my finger on why. I guess it just seems to me like Spiral is just choosing one post/exchange at a time and just kind of picking at it insistently, not really looking at the bigger picture in most cases. It just feels to me like he's pulling at threads, waiting to see what comes loose, or what others will hop onto.

So Spiral being all for a QS lynch makes me nervous about that. I don't trust Spiral, but I also don't know if I can reasonably justify voting him without more concrete evidence.

Dazzler and Marrow both have good points. I'd love to hear from Polaris specifically on this before saying more, if that's possible.

I thought today would be an easy lynch choice, but I'm finding myself getting more muddled as it goes on. It's complicated by the fact that most of the discussion has been about QS. Anyone have a new case/suspicion to bring up, just to diversify the conversation?

Oh! I meant to say: Spiral agreed with Scarlett Witch about some stuff, mainly very early suspicions of people. I can pull quotes if necessary. If Scarlett Witch was really bad, it seems highly likely to me they were working together.

the psylocke thing makes a lot of sense, i can see that being the line of thought going through that players head when killing scarlet witch, her vote was the most crucial in saving quick sliver after all.

i might as well vote now, i guess votes are changable so if i change my mind later it's no big deal, right?

linkitis: what? we have cable?

You know, Mikhail, you are right, I did not answer Spiral the 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th times he asked. I did answer the first, though. I meant to remind him of my answer, thanks for the nudge.

He said that he was suspicious of YOU, Mikhail, for quick like voting to join Avalanche in the Morlock Tunnels. Did not mention a direct suspicion of Avalanche, though, or a reason that Mikhail was vote worthy, but not Avalanche. I thought this was contradictory as he suspected Mikhail for buddying up with Avalanche, but did not seem to suspect Avalanche (although he had brought up his name a few times) enough to include him in the "People I Might Vote For" short list. His subsequent explanation made sense to me, and I subsequently dropped it.

I then was silenced, and had technology issues, so kinda forgot to reply to him again.

I have already explained this, and am not sure what else Spiral wants/wanted me to say.

Havok wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:Havok, I think we still need someone to vote for you as a precaution. I'm not getting any baddie vibes from you, but I caught a glimpse of Vision earlier, who I think might be silenced, and remembered his theory.

I have no problem with that.

Thanks for being a good sport. If QS has enough votes and you have none, and I'm still around when the poll ends, I'll change my vote to you. Should QS flip civilian and I change my vote to Havok, please consider me a QS voter.

Marrow wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:
The one thing that doesn't add up to me about QS being bad is this: If his teammates all voted Tbird to save him, why would his BTSC-invented (as many suspect, anyway) story make Tbird's voters look bad? It seems to me like he'd be throwing teammates under the bus, and right after they risked themselves to save him, too.

That's my only problem with this lynch right now. I'd think if QS and Tbird's voters were on a team, he'd be saying he thought they were mistaken civs. Maybe it's distancing, I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on how to make this fit?

This.

I haven't seen one satisfactory answer to this. The sudden pile-on on top of Quicksilver doesn't really sit right with me. I'm probably not going to vote for him.

Attempting to save someone does not necessarily imply all teammates bandwagoning on the other guy because that is obviously suicidal. With a team of 7 you only need 1 or 2 credible individuals + QS to convince several civilians who are not paying too much attention that one case is better than the other. If QS flips bad and we then turn our attention to the T-Bird voters, we are probably searching for 1 individual out of 5 (4 now), 2 tops which will probably take some time.

Sebastian Shaw wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Sebastian Shaw wrote:Quicksilver is good. Vote for Polaris instead. She's a monster inside.

I saw Sebastian Shaw with the devil...

But really, that's exactly what your vote there sounds like.

I don't know what this means.

I think Quicksilver and Sunfire are good and should not be lynched.

T'was a reference to the Harry Potter game, where people that had their votes forced often said such a thing.

Anyway, I'm voting Quicksilver. I unfortunately don't have time to look others over like I intended to.

Polaris! I hope I didn't miss you.

You obviously feel QS is bad, or that he has a better chance to be than "others" you don't have time to examine. What do you think of the theories that were put out regarding the late lynch votes for Tbird yesterday?? I've been wanting to hear from you.

EBWOP: You seem skeptical of a baddie save, but may or may not believe QS's story.

Do you believe it, and if not, what's your theory?

I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

Exodus wrote:I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

I have played games where there has been a unanimous vote, and for the most part, the person lynched was bad. Once it was me, and even I voted for me

Good times...

And how many forced votes do you think there are?

Anyone keeping track of who has not posted today?

Besides Cable & Domino, neither of whom has posted since the one vote post, neither Mojo nor The Vision have posted today. Did I miss anyone else?

White Queen wrote:

Exodus wrote:I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

I have played games where there has been a unanimous vote, and for the most part, the person lynched was bad. Once it was me, and even I voted for me

Good times...

And how many forced votes do you think there are?

Anyone keeping track of who has not posted today?

I don't even remember if there are roles that can force votes this game? My point was to say it's strange and seems kind of convenient to me. On one hand I agree with the aspects of the QS suspicion, personally my biggest problem was that I felt he was posting emotional appeals but I am just thrown back by it because most of my experiences have been a large division in the votes. If he is baddie, are his baddie partners just too afraid to propose an alternative again? I'm not sure.

Phoenix wrote:Sorry, not silenced (again! just busy

Honestly, I went (wrongly) with my gut and threw my vote in the other direction of where my bleeding heart wasn't where it could actually count (towards T-bird. Yikes, that was a mouthful). At least for me, it wasn't part of any conspiracy that I was aware of. And trust me, I feel terrible about lynching one of my own RIP again Thunderbird

I'm not sure if I should retaliate and go the other direction and see if Quicksilver WAS the right way to go, but I think I'll wait til tomorrow when my head is clearer to vote. My gut doesn't do a very good job of finding scum so far...

I'm getting pretty suspicious of you, Phoenix.
This is becoming too repetitive to sound genuine. You keep mentioning how your gut was wrong (you do it multiple times in this post) and I remember you doing it in previous posts. I feel you're kind of excusing yourself when it isn't even necessary. To me, it comes across like you have a guilty conscience and know it is a matter time before someone calls you out so you want to defend yourself before people actually do. You also seem to be relying on emotions an awful lot, if it be not wanting to vote someone or reacting to someones death.

Exodus wrote:I have rarely seen polls where everyone is in agreement, and when I have it's been a forced vote thing.
Thoughts?

That's why I urged everyone to think carefully today. Feels almost too unanimous.

I also am not getting good feels from Phoenix, and I think I can pinpoint them more solidly than my feels on Spiral. I know she cited being busy, but I wish she'd come back on and answer my question.

Okay, so breakung news, I'm actually not silenced lol, Epig will confirm that an error was made when he's in next. I thought I was but apparently no. Off to catch up, but I'm feeling good about things as they sit.

Oh cool! I thought you were one of the silenced ones. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

The Vision wrote:So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

Launching Danger Room Training Module M-2

...

Magneto targets Player A on Night 2.

Magneto secondarily targets Player B and Player C

...

On Day 3, Player A receives 10 votes.

Instead:

Player A receives 0 votes.

Player B receives 5 votes.

Player C receives 5 votes.

The Vision wrote:So last night was even, so Magneto's power was this: even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Epig, how does this work?

If qs has 9 votes, and hypothetically Magneto targeted him last night, does that theoretically mean qs would be at 4.5 votes, with the other half split among two other people? Or that qb would be at 0 and two other people would be at 4.5 each??? f

Ohh, good question. This would fit my theory as to why the vote is not divided perfectly. I would like to see the answer to this. This lynch is not making me feel comfortable. I might place my vote on Phoenix.

Linki - Ok. If the baddies are smart I would think QS would be a target too.

Shit. So no one else vote for qs please!!!!

Exodus wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Sorry, not silenced (again! just busy

Honestly, I went (wrongly) with my gut and threw my vote in the other direction of where my bleeding heart wasn't where it could actually count (towards T-bird. Yikes, that was a mouthful). At least for me, it wasn't part of any conspiracy that I was aware of. And trust me, I feel terrible about lynching one of my own RIP again Thunderbird

I'm not sure if I should retaliate and go the other direction and see if Quicksilver WAS the right way to go, but I think I'll wait til tomorrow when my head is clearer to vote. My gut doesn't do a very good job of finding scum so far...

I'm getting pretty suspicious of you, Phoenix.
This is becoming too repetitive to sound genuine. You keep mentioning how your gut was wrong (you do it multiple times in this post) and I remember you doing it in previous posts. I feel you're kind of excusing yourself when it isn't even necessary. To me, it comes across like you have a guilty conscience and know it is a matter time before someone calls you out so you want to defend yourself before people actually do. You also seem to be relying on emotions an awful lot, if it be not wanting to vote someone or reacting to someones death.

I'm willing to go with Exodus on this one, I have to vote now so I'm going with Pheonix.

Havok wrote:vote Quicksilver

I find it interesting that you decided to vote right after I brought up the idea that this was too convenient, and didn't even comment on it.

Oh. I get it.

So if Magneto did target QS, either Polaris or Shaw will die, depending which one got more other votes.

Well that makes this easy. Shaw is acting weird, but I think Phoenix is much more likely to be bad.

tbh I don't see the harm in more people voting QS, though. Maybe I'm missing something.

*votes Polaris*

Linki: That exchange made me realize I had Phoenix and Polaris mixed up. So in my earlier post where I agreed Phoenix looked bad, I was mistaken, Exodus. I think Polaris looks bad, and have no particular feelings on/suspicion of Phoenix. I don't think agonizing over your vote publicly is necessarily a baddie thing, and I can hardly call someone out on it after I accused Sunfire of not being sad enough. :P

I didnt feel like Phoenix was genuine when she posted "Oh my bleeding heart etc." And then showed up so sudden this vote and last. Not like I am going to survive, but i will vote her anyway and hope if the Magneto theory is true, it would backfire on them.

The Vision wrote:Shit. So no one else vote for qs please!!!!

Very awesome point you have brought up.

We can also change votes. But we don't have a lot of time.

I came to give Havok the just-in-case vote, unless he's not one of the priorities at the moment.

Hi!

I am feeling soooo refreshed!

All this Magneto talk - we have to assume the baddies picked QS night 1 but that would have been before Scarlet started all the stuff about Quicksilver.So he had little to no suspicion onhim at the time.

I still think QS is bad. I think the case was made very nicely.Alot of QS"s answers were very wifom and a bit of appealing to emotion.

I believe I am allowed to vote so I am. Vote QS

Yeah, me too.

Let's assume Magneto did split off qs' vote. There are now potentially two civs with 5 votes each, 6 each if Cyclops voted in there. That's enough to take out Wolverine and means this lynch is likely a disaster.

eta... we can change votes?

My meaning is I doubt very seriously we have any worries over a QS lynch he had no suspicion why would they target him?

Yes, we can, V. I know there's not much time left, but shouldn't we have a strategy about vote re-distribution?

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Oh. I get it.

So if Magneto did target QS, either Polaris or Shaw will die, depending which one got more other votes.

Well that makes this easy. Shaw is acting weird, but I think Phoenix is much more likely to be bad.

tbh I don't see the harm in more people voting QS, though. Maybe I'm missing something.

*votes Polaris*

It would be between whichever players Magneto chose. Why do you think it would be those two??

I haven't paid attention to Polaris enough, why are people suspicious of her again? I think my vote is going to Phoenix because her posts have pinged me probably the most, constantly. But I'm not quite sure yet. I need to read everything I've missed.

Linki - Yeah what Vision said, for a minute I thought I missed something where the vote went to the next two posters with the highest votes when I read that lol

Cable wrote:My meaning is I doubt very seriously we have any worries over a QS lynch he had no suspicion why would they target him?

are you serious? Everyone clearly was talking about how tbird got lynched suddenly as a potential save of qs. And even after I adk no one to vote him, you do anyway?

Dazzler wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:If we are to look at T-Bird voters, I also suggest looking at this:

Sunfire wrote:I can see where there is concern about Quicksilver. I just don't think it is enough to vote him yet. I think the scum might be using this situation to their advantage. So, I am going to choose one of the players that have voted for Quicksilver. *votes Hawkeye*

That vote for me aside, it appears it could have been any of the QS voters, the argument here seems pretty far-fetched.

Yeah. There's no 'I think Quicksilver voters are probably bad and here's why Hawkeye is most likely...'. It's pretty much a throwaway vote really, he admits there's reason to wonder about QS and then says baddies are using 'the situation' to their advantage but doesn't elaborate and then throws out what is essentially a random vote with no specific reason. I remember finding it a bit odd at the time that several people seemed to be slinging mud at Quicksilver voters without going into any great detail, as if they were trying to put people off voting for him or something.

I agree with this, I had not noticed it. The vote for Hawkeye is weird to me because it happened without reason.

Cable wrote:Hi!

I am feeling soooo refreshed!

All this Magneto talk - we have to assume the baddies picked QS night 1 but that would have been before Scarlet started all the stuff about Quicksilver.So he had little to no suspicion onhim at the time.

I still think QS is bad. I think the case was made very nicely.Alot of QS"s answers were very wifom and a bit of appealing to emotion.

I believe I am allowed to vote so I am. Vote QS

No, they would have picked him on night 2. On odd nights Magneto's power works differently. I think I will change my vote just in case, though I'm not 100% sure who to change it to yet.

Linki - possibly Sunfire, thanks for reminding me of that one, Exodus!

The Vision wrote:

Cable wrote:My meaning is I doubt very seriously we have any worries over a QS lynch he had no suspicion why would they target him?

are you serious? Everyone clearly was talking about how tbird got lynched suddenly as a potential save of qs. And even after I adk no one to vote him, you do anyway?

We can change votes.

What should we change them to?

We have almost no time left. You guys have been more on the pulse than me dince I thought I was silenced. Who would make a credible alternate choice?

Suggestion for those of us who can still change our votes: QS should still have the majority of votes, but the next person ought to have QS's votes/2 + 1. Is that achievable at this point?

Vision I like the way you think but right now I feel you are over thinking.

Linky -Omg I give up. I cannot wait to see how you will determine how magneto chose his targets. how do you know who they would pick Night1? before QS was made suspicious. why did you cut my post in half - you left all of my reasoning. I think you know alot more about this role than the rest of us. I only have whats in the thread.

I havent even voted yet and you are over-reacting to something that has not occurred.

Lots of linkitis I am hitting submit then reading this is old news now I am sure

The Vision wrote:We have almost no time left. You guys have been more on the pulse than me dince I thought I was silenced. Who would make a credible alternate choice?

My alternate choices would be Spiral or Sunfire, haven't really read others properly.