The Syndicate

FZ. wrote:Epi has been trying to convince us all game that other than Hugachi, Yotsubas are good, hinting that he's not the former, and telling us the best thing is to pass the DN to the Yotsubas who don't need the detectives dead in order to win. But at this moment, we don'g know who Hugachi is, and if he gets the DN, those who are at the highest risk of getting NK by him, are other Yotsubas. Epi wouldn't allow himself to be this in that predicament. You'd think he'd try and figure out who Hugachi is, so when he gets the DN, the Yotsubas know who to vote for during the night.
So the fact he says it's Light's turn means either: a. He isn't a Yotsuba, or b. is Hugachi and wants to get the note

Why would I hint that I'm Higuchi? Do people not know what hinting is? I'm claiming I'm not Higuchi.

What else can happen to the Death Note? It goes in the trash?

I would so. You don't know me.

What makes you think I haven't been doing that?

You still haven't read all the roles, "detective."

No wonder you don't like logic.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epi has been trying to convince us all game that other than Hugachi, Yotsubas are good, hinting that he's not the former, and telling us the best thing is to pass the DN to the Yotsubas who don't need the detectives dead in order to win. But at this moment, we don'g know who Hugachi is, and if he gets the DN, those who are at the highest risk of getting NK by him, are other Yotsubas. Epi wouldn't allow himself to be this in that predicament. You'd think he'd try and figure out who Hugachi is, so when he gets the DN, the Yotsubas know who to vote for during the night.
So the fact he says it's Light's turn means either: a. He isn't a Yotsuba, or b. is Hugachi and wants to get the note

Why would I hint that I'm Higuchi? Do people not know what hinting is? I'm claiming I'm not Higuchi.

What else can happen to the Death Note? It goes in the trash?

I would so. You don't know me.

What makes you think I haven't been doing that?

You still haven't read all the roles, "detective."

No wonder you don't like logic.

First of all, I had a real hard time reading these colours.

Second, yeah, concluding that a detective must read all the roles, while baddies don't, is supreme logic. You're the master of logic. I can see why you like it so much.

Third, The DN ending in the hands of Hugachi doesn't look any better to me than it staying with Light, but maybe I missed something. I'm claiming that you wouldn't risk putting yourself in the position of a NK as you've put yourself as the spokesman of all Yotsubas. Who would Hugachi want to NK the first thing he gets the DN? You. I don't know you, but you don't know me either, yet you keep making assumptions on how I'm supposed to play.

Fourth, if you know who hugachy is, why don't you enlighten us?

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epi has been trying to convince us all game that other than Hugachi, Yotsubas are good, hinting that he's not the former, and telling us the best thing is to pass the DN to the Yotsubas who don't need the detectives dead in order to win. But at this moment, we don'g know who Hugachi is, and if he gets the DN, those who are at the highest risk of getting NK by him, are other Yotsubas. Epi wouldn't allow himself to be this in that predicament. You'd think he'd try and figure out who Hugachi is, so when he gets the DN, the Yotsubas know who to vote for during the night.
So the fact he says it's Light's turn means either: a. He isn't a Yotsuba, or b. is Hugachi and wants to get the note

Why would I hint that I'm Higuchi? Do people not know what hinting is? I'm claiming I'm not Higuchi.

What else can happen to the Death Note? It goes in the trash?

I would so. You don't know me.

What makes you think I haven't been doing that?

You still haven't read all the roles, "detective."

No wonder you don't like logic.

First of all, I had a real hard time reading these colours.

Sorry. Didn't feel like breaking up the passage. But I will do so if it helps.

FZ. wrote:Second, yeah, concluding that a detective must read all the roles, while baddies don't, is supreme logic. You're the master of logic. I can see why you like it so much.

Matahari apparently didn't even know there was BTSC among the Mafia.

I would expect detectives to at least read the roles once or twice. That's part of gathering evidence, which I assume is important to the art of detecting.

FZ. wrote:Third, The DN ending in the hands of Hugachi doesn't look any better to me than it staying with Light, but maybe I missed something. I'm claiming that you wouldn't risk putting yourself in the position of a NK as you've put yourself as the spokesman of all Yotsubas. Who would Hugachi want to NK the first thing he gets the DN? You. I don't know you, but you don't know me either, yet you keep making assumptions on how I'm supposed to play.

I am Epignosis. I am ALWAYS in the scope of a Night kill.

But that doesn't mean I sit on the sidelines, does it? Hell no. I bring my A game every time, good, bad, or ugly.

And yes, you missed something. The Death Note has to go to Higuchi eventually if the detectives are to achieve their standard win condition. What's alternative are you proposing? Leave Light alone so that Higuchi doesn't get a Death Note?

I don't know you? I've hosted you multiple times and even went on another site to read your "baddie game" that you later said didn't exist. I'm not making assumptions. I'm using strong evidence. You're making assumptions because you didn't read the roles.

FZ. wrote:Fourth, if you know who hugachy is, why don't you enlighten us?

Did I say I knew who Higuchi was? I gave my list of candidates.

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On two occasions, I have eased up on FZ., who has insisted that she will "baddie hunt" if she didn't have to defend herself so hard. What she did during those two occasions, I would not call hunting. Generally, I observed her asking questions, trusting people for no apparent reason about MM, expressing unsureness, and feebly trying to drum up support for a llama lynch. That's my memory of it, so if anyone begs to differ, feel free. Now that at least two people have expressed ultimate distrust of me (spacedaisy and Black Rock), FZ. is trying to paint me as Kira, even though it flies in the face of facts and her own previously expressed opinion of me.

FZ. isn't the wind. She's a weather vane.

Busy day today. I'm voting FZ. I hope everyone else will listen to reason and follow me.

Fred Sanford. Delete.

I can't be here today either. I'll only be back tomorrow evening.
I'm fine with lynching me. I'm sick of the know it alls. I'm going to be very smug when the next day comes, just so you know, not to mention when you all are really going to learn my role.
I've done nothing but defend myself with everything I can. No, I haven't followed all the secrets and roles because for someone who doesn't give shit about the theme, it's too complicated for me to follow. Maybe it makes me a bad detective, but it doesn't make me bad. If you want to follow the oh so intelligent, go ahead. I'm done fighting.

Epignosis wrote:And yes, you missed something. The Death Note has to go to Higuchi eventually if the detectives are to achieve their standard win condition. What's alternative are you proposing? Leave Light alone so that Higuchi doesn't get a Death Note?

I'll give you all a little hint. If you lynch Light while he has the Death Note, it goes to Higuchimama. If Light passes the Death Note while you are trying to lynch him, it will be passed to Higuchimama.

So, no matter how you look at it, he will get the Death Note.

So if FZ is Light and has the Death Note, we'll lynch her, it will fail, she'll pass the DN to Higuchi and we'll know from Namikawa's call that this has happened.

If FZ is lynched and is not Light, Higuchi gets no Death Note and Namikawa's call will not occur and we'll know FZ is an unlynchable detective.

So let's lynch FZ and just get this over with because this is boring.

On that note, I will end Day 9 early if I receive all votes early. :P

Should not play today at all.
Comes back to play.

Drat.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And yes, you missed something. The Death Note has to go to Higuchi eventually if the detectives are to achieve their standard win condition. What's alternative are you proposing? Leave Light alone so that Higuchi doesn't get a Death Note?

I'll give you all a little hint. If you lynch Light while he has the Death Note, it goes to Higuchimama. If Light passes the Death Note while you are trying to lynch him, it will be passed to Higuchimama.

So, no matter how you look at it, he will get the Death Note.

I didn't know Light saying "Alright. You caught me." in case he finds himself targeted and just let himself get lynched, at this stage, would be such a likely possibility.

Turnip Head wrote:So if FZ is Light and has the Death Note, we'll lynch her, it will fail, she'll pass the DN to Higuchi and we'll know from Namikawa's call that this has happened.

If FZ is lynched and is not Light, Higuchi gets no Death Note and Namikawa's call will not occur and we'll know FZ is an unlynchable detective.

So let's lynch FZ and just get this over with because this is boring.

How will "we" know anything from Namikawa's call? Where does it say that Namikawa's call is made public?

Also, if FZ. isn't Light, that automatically makes her an unlynchable detective how?

Turnip Head wrote:So if FZ is Light and has the Death Note, we'll lynch her, it will fail, she'll pass the DN to Higuchi and we'll know from Namikawa's call that this has happened.

If FZ is lynched and is not Light, Higuchi gets no Death Note and Namikawa's call will not occur and we'll know FZ is an unlynchable detective.

So let's lynch FZ and just get this over with because this is boring.

Epignosis wrote:15. I believe lynching FZ. is win-win. If she's not lying about being an unlynchable detective, then she will survive the lynch. If she is Kira, however, then the detectives will have forced the Death Note out of her hands. It's a cost-benefit analysis: Best case scenario, Kira loses a death note and L will know. Worst case scenario, nothing happens.

OMG.

TH DID NOT VOTE EARLY.

Ricochet wrote:Should not play today at all.
Comes back to play.

Life of a mafia addict

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So if FZ is Light and has the Death Note, we'll lynch her, it will fail, she'll pass the DN to Higuchi and we'll know from Namikawa's call that this has happened.

If FZ is lynched and is not Light, Higuchi gets no Death Note and Namikawa's call will not occur and we'll know FZ is an unlynchable detective.

So let's lynch FZ and just get this over with because this is boring.

How will "we" know anything from Namikawa's call? Where does it say that Namikawa's call is made public?

I've already explained how I think Namikawa's call works. Twice.

Ricochet wrote:Also, if FZ. isn't Light, that automatically makes her an unlynchable detective how?

If she survives the lynch like she says she will, I think this will be quite clear. Feel free to offer a counterpoint that makes sense.

Ricochet wrote:OMG.

TH DID NOT VOTE EARLY.

Whoops!

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So if FZ is Light and has the Death Note, we'll lynch her, it will fail, she'll pass the DN to Higuchi and we'll know from Namikawa's call that this has happened.

If FZ is lynched and is not Light, Higuchi gets no Death Note and Namikawa's call will not occur and we'll know FZ is an unlynchable detective.

So let's lynch FZ and just get this over with because this is boring.

How will "we" know anything from Namikawa's call? Where does it say that Namikawa's call is made public?

I've already explained how I think Namikawa's call works. Twice.

I missed it both times, then, sorry.

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, if FZ. isn't Light, that automatically makes her an unlynchable detective how?

If she survives the lynch like she says she will, I think this will be quite clear. Feel free to offer a counterpoint that makes sense.

She says she will survive the lynch.
She says she is a detective that will survive the lynch.
Her not being Light removes her of the suspicion of being five other non-detective roles that survive a lynch (out of which 3 specifically in Team Light) how?

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:OMG.

TH DID NOT VOTE EARLY.

Whoops!

Too late, if you needed to constantly be the first or second voter, you're screwed now.

Ricochet wrote:She says she will survive the lynch.
She says she is a detective that will survive the lynch.
Her not being Light removes her of the suspicion of being five other non-detective roles that survive a lynch (out of which 3 specifically in Team Light) how?

Common sense process of elimination based on who else has survived lynches and which roles I believe they might have.

Go ahead Rico, keep trying to further the suspicions of FZ regardless of what else happens in the game, I know you want to. It's not like you're bad or anything.

I am Epignosis. I am ALWAYS in the scope of a Night kill.

I've certainly had you between my sights before

I don't really give a shit about the FZ suspicion but you knuckleheads wont move on so, in essence, you're forcing everybody (Or at least those of us who care about other more meaningful suspects) to vote with you. Hopefully the strong arming and vote bullying can end soon and we can get back to the good shit

I'm sorry that some of us only have the thread to rely on.

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:She says she will survive the lynch.
She says she is a detective that will survive the lynch.
Her not being Light removes her of the suspicion of being five other non-detective roles that survive a lynch (out of which 3 specifically in Team Light) how?

Common sense process of elimination based on who else has survived lynches and which roles I believe they might have.

Go ahead Rico, keep trying to further the suspicions of FZ regardless of what else happens in the game, I know you want to. It's not like you're bad or anything.

I'm not furthering anything, I'm operating on the same personal process of elimination that you say you are. If yours is different from mine (and certainly more rounded up, it appears), then so be it.

You left out the "based on which role I am" part of your process. That's certainly one role deduction less you have to worry about, compared to the rest of us.

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry that some of us only have the thread to rely on.

How is that relevant?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry that some of us only have the thread to rely on.

How is that relevant?

It's relevant because, by participating and trying my hardest to catch Kira, I'm just a knucklehead who is forcing people, strong arming, and vote bullying to you. Nice.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry that some of us only have the thread to rely on.

How is that relevant?

It's relevant because, by participating and trying my hardest to catch Kira, I'm just a knucklehead who is forcing people, strong arming, and vote bullying to you. Nice.

Are you really trying your hardest though?

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't really give a shit about the FZ suspicion but you knuckleheads wont move on so, in essence, you're forcing everybody (Or at least those of us who care about other more meaningful suspects) to vote with you. Hopefully the strong arming and vote bullying can end soon and we can get back to the good shit

I also think BR is likely bad and am wary of Bass. Don't really intend to vote early, so I might look into it tomorrow.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry that some of us only have the thread to rely on.

How is that relevant?

It's relevant because, by participating and trying my hardest to catch Kira, I'm just a knucklehead who is forcing people, strong arming, and vote bullying to you. Nice.

Are you really trying your hardest though?

Ironically, yes.

We'll see.

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Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 13:
On what Night did Sidoh and Mello gain BTSC?

Night 4.

Incorrect.

You may not answer any more questions. A new player may attempt to answer this question.

Night 7?

Incorrect.

You may not answer any more questions. A new player may attempt to answer this question.

This question remains unanswered.

I haven't used my second answer in the quiz, but I have no clue.

My guesses would be either after Sidoh finished revealing every role secrets, either once he revealed Mello's secrets (but I can't actually recall what Night that was).

I have no clue either Rico and I also haven't used my second turn. At this point I feel like its a guess. I can't think of any clues we have that tells us what night this occurred. Do any of you out there know the answer to this question?

I think I know the answer to this question but I'm out of guesses

Turnip Head wrote:I think I know the answer to this question but I'm out of guesses

Is that a confession?

TH, then give the answer to Rico so he can answer the question.

FYI there will be at least a few hour period later this evening where I won't be here to run the game show. Just so you guys aren't all like, "WHERE IS MP?!?!?!!?!" :P

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think I know the answer to this question but I'm out of guesses

Is that a confession?

No Rico I'm not confessing anything. But after careful analysis of all events that have transpired and my read of the situations surrounding players I have been monitoring, the best educated guess that I can make is that Sidoh and Mello gained BTSC on Night 2.

Shall I call it?

Well, here goes nothing, then, I'm going to bed anyway.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 13:
On what Night did Sidoh and Mello gain BTSC?

Night 2.

Correct.

Mello and Sidoh gained BTSC on Night 2.

You may not answer any more questions. A new question is forthcoming.

Question 14:
How many players have been punished for missing votes?

I think I know the answer to this question but I'm out of guesses. :P

Rico, are you kidding me? If anyone has the answer please tell me or answer yourself if you can. I have gone back and am going to try and add up the non voters for each day but this is likely going to take a pretty good while.

Home from one job, soon to leave for another. This two job thing is not for me, thankfully it is only for a few days. I see we are still looking at an FZ lynch. Apparently Epiis convinced FZ is Light, is lynching her what it will take to get us to move on? I have to get ready to leave again so I have not had the time I expected this afternoon, but I will be back late tonight.

Ok, didn't vote day 1 I have these people:

Disgruntled porcupine
FZ
Made
Roxy - was she replaced by zeek at this time? would MP have punished her knowing what was going on?
Russtifinko

If anyone wants to double check day 1 for me I would be thankful. On to day 2.

In Roger Rabbit.

I don't see anyone who missed day 2. Can someone double check this day?

All the missing votes are listed in the poll thread at the bottom of each poll if that helps you Jules.