Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Crap. Sorry. I really missed the mark. Idk if the connection is false. I could see how you got there in the first place. I honestly thought it was more Sorsha budding than anything at the time. I do feel he was genuinely frustrated. I'm seeing that more as he thought he was drug down for the wrong reasons if that makes sense?DharmaHelper wrote:I mean do you think the Wilgy/Sorsha connection is false, and that he was frustrated to be dragged down due to her. Sorry for any confusion.
Bruh my vote is just there so I can see the poll.Sorsha wrote:BIH Wilgy
I'm still not bad, just really good at trusting the wrong people. Same thing I did in TH Mafia.
I'm fine with a motel lynch today... Still think Draco is bad though.
No, I'm saying that certain options on the night poll will sometimes give you a prize. I don't have positions.MacDougall wrote:So you are telling me you have a role that means if you vote position 3 you vanish off the poll... or are you totally guessing here?
I see what you mean. You mean you still think they might be connected but that Wilgy didn't consider what they'd done as distancing.bea wrote:Crap. Sorry. I really missed the mark. Idk if the connection is false. I could see how you got there in the first place. I honestly thought it was more Sorsha budding than anything at the time. I do feel he was genuinely frustrated. I'm seeing that more as he thought he was drug down for the wrong reasons if that makes sense?DharmaHelper wrote:I mean do you think the Wilgy/Sorsha connection is false, and that he was frustrated to be dragged down due to her. Sorry for any confusion.
I thought it was determined he was Kubrick?DharmaHelper wrote:Bruh my vote is just there so I can see the poll.Sorsha wrote:BIH Wilgy
I'm still not bad, just really good at trusting the wrong people. Same thing I did in TH Mafia.
I'm fine with a motel lynch today... Still think Draco is bad though.
Plot twist.Matt wrote:RIH Wilgy. Nice work, DH.
Now that Wilgy is dead and Sorsha cannot be voted for, will anyone help me vote MM? I mean, seriously?
Marmot
Sans!Ricochet wrote:
It is Night.
Ok peeps, good night and good luck. Hopefully a mafia member will die tonight, because of there surely being two teams *tells Sans to stop chuckling in the back*... erm yeah. See you tomorrow.
Since you were baaaaaaadDharmaHelper wrote:Can I just take a second. I'm an arrogant piece of shit 95% of the time and it only pays off 1% of the time. This is really fucking great. RIPSYWB Wilgy.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:This post needs a twirl.bea wrote:Nicely called dh. I'm sorry I doubted you.
By all means look at me mac. I am a civ.
Honest to God, I don't get why you have to say the scummiest things possible in this game.juliets wrote:I don't understand why they wasted a night kill - we were about to lynch him.
Baddies WASTING a kill on the other baddie team? Yeah, sorry a civilian didn't die for once.Sorsha wrote:BIH Wilgy
I'm still not bad, just really good at trusting the wrong people. Same thing I did in TH Mafia.
I'm fine with a motel lynch today... Still think Draco is bad though.
That's ok, the other team will kill you next.Sorsha wrote:Because I picked the right night poll option last night.
No, Sorsha's idea about the night poll is probably correct.MacDougall wrote:I think the idea of sorsha believing that she just magically got pulled off the poll the day after Wilgy got lynched was a magical luck out from a night poll is ridiculous and it was quite an obviously intentional move right? I'm not the only one here who is now 100% sure (DH aside) that she was on Team Wilgy?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You can vote if you want to
You can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't vote and if they don't vote
Well they're all friends of mine
I say, we can lynch who we want to
A baddie they will never find
And we can lynch them 'til they're out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can vote
You can vote when you want to
The day is young and so am I
And I'll dress real neat from my hat to my feet
And surprise 'em with my victory cry
Say, you can vote if you want to
If you don't nobody will
And you can act real rude and totally removed
And I can act like an imbecile
I say, you can vote, you can vote
Everything out of control
You can vote, you can vote
You're doing it from wall to wall
You can vote, you can vote
Everybody look what you wrote
You can vote, you can vote
Everybody takin' a note
Safety vote
Is it safe to vote?
Is it safe to vote?
You can vote if you want to
You've got all your life and mine
As long as you abuse it, never gonna lose it
Everything'll work out fine
I say, you can vote if you want to
You can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't vote and if they don't vote
Well they're all friends of mine
It's the safety vote!
Dom wrote:My thinking you are bad is linked to two main things:
1) you admitting you aren't civ
2) your latching on to me. if you are truly neutral, why are you so concerned with lynching me?
Dom wrote:Why is Marshy so attached to the idea of lynching me? Why has he voted me early in the last two phases and only moved his vote to save himself? Why am I a "suspect"? Marsh claims to not be playing for anyone really, but that can't be the case if he is attached to "suspicions" like this. It makes no sense. He also cannot cite evidence of my baddiness. People are literally saying it's suspicious because I want to know why I'm suspicious and you don't find that strange?Ricochet wrote:What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?
Below, we will see Dom "allow a certain degree of uncertainty" on MM, as Dom advises a responsible role checker to do...Dom wrote:I think you are a baddie who thought they found an easy lynch.
Dom wrote:....I literally have argued that you aren't behaving like I'd expect you to if you were truly neutral. I posted about it a lot. Selective memory or bad?Metalmarsh89 wrote:@dom, you answered your own question. You asked what evidence I've brought forth, and you followed it up with the evidence I've brought forth.
You also stated a suspect list with my name on it. Ok, what is your case against me?
I know you're not happy that I've claimed neutral, yet am suddenly casing you. Whether such actions would benefit me or not are is my own problem. You can't decide that for me. You can decide whether to believe my claim, but based what you have said since that point, I have no reason to see that you don't believe me.
Can't tell.
You are overreacting to a simple question about why the baddies did what they did. It just seems odd to me and I wonder if there are shenanigans in there somewhere - I just can't see where. Of course I'm glad a civ didn't die. Why don't you stop making cracks about me - I'm tired of your pokey comments when you must know I am civ.Ricochet wrote:Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo! WILGYYYS!
goddamn hyphothesis #2.
Sans!Ricochet wrote:
It is Night.
Ok peeps, good night and good luck. Hopefully a mafia member will die tonight, because of there surely being two teams *tells Sans to stop chuckling in the back*... erm yeah. See you tomorrow.
Since you were baaaaaaadDharmaHelper wrote:Can I just take a second. I'm an arrogant piece of shit 95% of the time and it only pays off 1% of the time. This is really fucking great. RIPSYWB Wilgy.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:This post needs a twirl.bea wrote:Nicely called dh. I'm sorry I doubted you.
By all means look at me mac. I am a civ.
Honest to God, I don't get why you have to say the scummiest things possible in this game.juliets wrote:I don't understand why they wasted a night kill - we were about to lynch him.
First of all, I'm not overreacting. You cleary used the word "wasting" in regards to the last night kill. You didn't say you found it odd, you didn't say there might be shenanigans, you wondered why baddies wasted their night kill on a baddie, which could/should/would have normally been our job, via lynch. So when you use such words, I feel entitled to be startled by the implications. If there are two mafia teams, which last night basically confirmed, the team who had the night kill tonight didn't waste anything. They eliminated an opponent. Luckily, it wasn't one of us. So there you have it.juliets wrote:You are overreacting to a simple question about why the baddies did what they did. It just seems odd to me and I wonder if there are shenanigans in there somewhere - I just can't see where. Of course I'm glad a civ didn't die. Why don't you stop making cracks about me - I'm tired of your pokey comments when you must know I am civ.
No need for the "how many times have we played together / you know nothing, Jon Snow" appeal to meta. Your game MO can easily allow variations to suit your baddie MO. Picking up others' stronger cases can equally mean bandwagoning and coasting. Your pressure votes for lurkers can equally mean votes outside the pressure zone of bigger subjects. So I can't say I trust your game MO.juliets wrote:How often have you played with me Ricochet? The "game MO" I embrace this game is no different from the MO I embrace in other games.
I had assumed there was one team which is why I thought it was odd but I soon realized it just meant two teams.
False. "Like you said" = baddies wasted a night kill.juliets wrote: Like I said, it just seemed odd because we were obviously about to lynch him.
Really? That is your response?Ricochet wrote:ffs Matt
Matt wrote:Really? That is your response?Ricochet wrote:ffs Matt
Are you even civ? Like, for real.
Btw, not that anyone gives a hoot, but Dom said he thought juliets was civvie twice, so I'm inclined to trust her despite saying "wasting" a night kill. Derp.
It sort of doesn't, because Wilgys and LoRab are both dead. Suspects that are still alive should be preferably named.Matt wrote:Rico, I don't know if this helps...
But after ISOing Wilgy last night, I came to believe he and Lorab were def on a team (if there are two teams). I'll post quotes in a bit, just woke up.
The law of parity suggests that Kubrick is the direct mirror of Wilgy's spider role, so I would start with Motel Room being on the other team and go from there?Ricochet wrote:Zebra was a civ alignment corrupter. What if there's a Godfather type role on the other team?
I don't feel like dismissing anything anymore, after seeing a non-Kubrick role that could also survive one lynch be revealed... like, crazy. We should have had at least 10 extra civs to deal with this voodoo mafia designs.
Spidey sort of counterbalances JJJ's role the most, but I agree it's a possibility. I definitely don't see the same team having Kubrick and Whatever-Its-Name.DharmaHelper wrote:The law of parity suggests that Kubrick is the direct mirror of Wilgy's spider role, so I would start with Motel Room being on the other team and go from there?Ricochet wrote:Zebra was a civ alignment corrupter. What if there's a Godfather type role on the other team?
I don't feel like dismissing anything anymore, after seeing a non-Kubrick role that could also survive one lynch be revealed... like, crazy. We should have had at least 10 extra civs to deal with this voodoo mafia designs.
I do intend to dive once more into the filthy shitty muddy backwaters of case building but that was just a thought that occurred to me.
My suspect list...Ricochet wrote:Matt wrote:Really? That is your response?Ricochet wrote:ffs Matt
Are you even civ? Like, for real.
Btw, not that anyone gives a hoot, but Dom said he thought juliets was civvie twice, so I'm inclined to trust her despite saying "wasting" a night kill. Derp.
It's Day 9, there are two mafia teams near-confirmed, I want to hear multiple suspects, not the same loop.
It sort of doesn't, because Wilgys and LoRab are both dead. Suspects that are still alive should be preferably named.Matt wrote:Rico, I don't know if this helps...
But after ISOing Wilgy last night, I came to believe he and Lorab were def on a team (if there are two teams). I'll post quotes in a bit, just woke up.
JJJ's role was a civ role though. I agree with DH that motel room could be the counter balance on the other team for Wilgy's role and then JJJ is the balance for the civs. That way all three factions have something the same for balance.Ricochet wrote:Spidey sort of counterbalances JJJ's role the most, but I agree it's a possibility. I definitely don't see the same team having Kubrick and Whatever-Its-Name.DharmaHelper wrote:The law of parity suggests that Kubrick is the direct mirror of Wilgy's spider role, so I would start with Motel Room being on the other team and go from there?Ricochet wrote:Zebra was a civ alignment corrupter. What if there's a Godfather type role on the other team?
I don't feel like dismissing anything anymore, after seeing a non-Kubrick role that could also survive one lynch be revealed... like, crazy. We should have had at least 10 extra civs to deal with this voodoo mafia designs.
I do intend to dive once more into the filthy shitty muddy backwaters of case building but that was just a thought that occurred to me.
A baddie role can counterbalance a civ role.juliets wrote:JJJ's role was a civ role though. I agree with DH that motel room could be the counter balance on the other team for Wilgy's role and then JJJ is the balance for the civs. That way all three factions have something the same for balance.Ricochet wrote:Spidey sort of counterbalances JJJ's role the most, but I agree it's a possibility. I definitely don't see the same team having Kubrick and Whatever-Its-Name.DharmaHelper wrote:The law of parity suggests that Kubrick is the direct mirror of Wilgy's spider role, so I would start with Motel Room being on the other team and go from there?Ricochet wrote:Zebra was a civ alignment corrupter. What if there's a Godfather type role on the other team?
I don't feel like dismissing anything anymore, after seeing a non-Kubrick role that could also survive one lynch be revealed... like, crazy. We should have had at least 10 extra civs to deal with this voodoo mafia designs.
I do intend to dive once more into the filthy shitty muddy backwaters of case building but that was just a thought that occurred to me.
Here, Wilgy throws back into LLama's face his suss of Lorab...DrWilgy wrote:Where does the LoRab suspicion come from?sig wrote:So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.
I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.
I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.
I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.
One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.
thellama73 wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Lorab at this point. I haven't found the case on her compelling. But I have noticed that sometimes when a person keeps getting almost-lynched and avoiding it, they turn out to be bad.
And who can forget Wilgy's last minute swap on Day 3.5...he voted MM last second and then said this...DrWilgy wrote:Something that's interesting is that you and Lorab had the same number of votes day 1 Llama.
Would what you said about her also apply to you?
But it had nothing to do with Lorab, eh? Right.DrWilgy wrote:I'm feeling my life spiral out of control
I swapped to MM to break the tie... I figured as long as it wasn't JJJ or FZ.
Sure it can. Thats what i said. The three balance.Ricochet wrote:A baddie role can counterbalance a civ role.juliets wrote:JJJ's role was a civ role though. I agree with DH that motel room could be the counter balance on the other team for Wilgy's role and then JJJ is the balance for the civs. That way all three factions have something the same for balance.Ricochet wrote:Spidey sort of counterbalances JJJ's role the most, but I agree it's a possibility. I definitely don't see the same team having Kubrick and Whatever-Its-Name.DharmaHelper wrote:The law of parity suggests that Kubrick is the direct mirror of Wilgy's spider role, so I would start with Motel Room being on the other team and go from there?Ricochet wrote:Zebra was a civ alignment corrupter. What if there's a Godfather type role on the other team?
I don't feel like dismissing anything anymore, after seeing a non-Kubrick role that could also survive one lynch be revealed... like, crazy. We should have had at least 10 extra civs to deal with this voodoo mafia designs.
I do intend to dive once more into the filthy shitty muddy backwaters of case building but that was just a thought that occurred to me.
Sorry, I'm not willfully ignoring you or anything, I'm just studying, catching up on TV, eating lunch, and reading. I'll go respond to the Dom thing soon as I find out what it is.Matt wrote:My suspect list...Ricochet wrote:Matt wrote:Really? That is your response?Ricochet wrote:ffs Matt
Are you even civ? Like, for real.
Btw, not that anyone gives a hoot, but Dom said he thought juliets was civvie twice, so I'm inclined to trust her despite saying "wasting" a night kill. Derp.
It's Day 9, there are two mafia teams near-confirmed, I want to hear multiple suspects, not the same loop.
It sort of doesn't, because Wilgys and LoRab are both dead. Suspects that are still alive should be preferably named.Matt wrote:Rico, I don't know if this helps...
But after ISOing Wilgy last night, I came to believe he and Lorab were def on a team (if there are two teams). I'll post quotes in a bit, just woke up.
MM -
Drac - Once town wises up and lynches MM, we can lynch Drac for being his teamie
bea - Possible Wilgy conspirator
Mac - Possible Wilgy conspirator
motel - Possibly Kubrick.
And ummm it sort of does, I would think? If we can decipher who is on what team, then we can try to decipher polls better and all that jazz?
Linki - DH - Lol, no response to the Dom thing? I must be going out of my mind.
I'll be roleclaiming Mr Invisible now...going to find those quotes despite it "not helping"...
I guess this is what you meant. In all seriousness I get the head-bashing feeling you must have regarding getting people to see the case on MM. FWIW, the pitfall of relying on this type of evidence (Meta, pseudo-info dumps) is that your interpretation of the events could be skewed. Recall if you will the case of FZ and Epignosis in Death Note, wherein after Russ flipped as civ, Epi used his flip and his pressuring of FZ to call FZ bad when she wasn't.Matt wrote:
Just roaming the Syndicate, trying to find some insight for my Justice League game I'm working on, and found this effin' beauty right here...this is literally like a miracle find...
MM, a few times I believe you've asked me why Dom didn't immediately suss you on Day 6. Well, there's your answer per the underline.Spoiler: show
Let's also keep in mind that it was what, Day 5 when Dom started asking about you and what the case against you was? So we can assume he wasn't really paying attention to you all that much. Yet, by Day 6, he listed you as bad twice and put you on his suspect list...twice. So a total of four times referencing you as bad. A day after he had no idea what the case on you was.
Here is Dom "trying to find reasons that MM is bad" as opposed to just saying "Yo MM is bad peeps! I know it!"...
Dom wrote:My thinking you are bad is linked to two main things:
1) you admitting you aren't civ
2) your latching on to me. if you are truly neutral, why are you so concerned with lynching me?Dom wrote:Why is Marshy so attached to the idea of lynching me? Why has he voted me early in the last two phases and only moved his vote to save himself? Why am I a "suspect"? Marsh claims to not be playing for anyone really, but that can't be the case if he is attached to "suspicions" like this. It makes no sense. He also cannot cite evidence of my baddiness. People are literally saying it's suspicious because I want to know why I'm suspicious and you don't find that strange?Ricochet wrote:What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?Below, we will see Dom "allow a certain degree of uncertainty" on MM, as Dom advises a responsible role checker to do...Dom wrote:I think you are a baddie who thought they found an easy lynch.
Dom wrote:....I literally have argued that you aren't behaving like I'd expect you to if you were truly neutral. I posted about it a lot. Selective memory or bad?Metalmarsh89 wrote:@dom, you answered your own question. You asked what evidence I've brought forth, and you followed it up with the evidence I've brought forth.
You also stated a suspect list with my name on it. Ok, what is your case against me?
I know you're not happy that I've claimed neutral, yet am suddenly casing you. Whether such actions would benefit me or not are is my own problem. You can't decide that for me. You can decide whether to believe my claim, but based what you have said since that point, I have no reason to see that you don't believe me.
Can't tell.
Can we please lynch him now town? I mean, did you read the miracle find at the top of this post? That golden Dom quote about info dumping? I mean, wow.
Please. Lynch Marmot 2016. Every vote counts!
I can do that after my lunch.Ricochet wrote:Ooh, ooh, Matt, your ISO did help... remind me of something.
Can we go back and trace the "LC trusted Wilgy" claimers and, like, lynch their asses? (If we can toDay, that is. #lotteryticketwinSorsha)
