GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[sabie12]

Feels frustrating when everyone talks about me instead of at me

Agreed I know that feel. So what are your thoughts right now? What was your reasoning for following the dizzy vote to ender?

[sabie12]

hourly reminder to unvote tsp

I have to catch up but why is this? I feel like his play here is similar to last game where he was mafia and the eod seasnzie wagon again. I don't believe the entire seanzie wagon was town.

Wait, again?
This isn't the first time TSP drove an EoD wagon into Sean?

Weren't you there when that happened?

[Justplayingitcool]

Feels frustrating when everyone talks about me instead of at me

Agreed I know that feel. So what are your thoughts right now? What was your reasoning for following the dizzy vote to ender?

Because i townread dizzy and made a gut call to follow him on ender. I didn’t have time to spot check his reasoning as it was EoD

My thoughts are that wilgy has been slightly better today but his wagon remains unresolved

Creature is still the towniest person in this game

I townread c4 but a lot of people are scumreading him which is also making me pause

On my phone about to head at work so can’t provide a more detailed answer rn

[LinearPoint]

Oh yeah Neeko forgot TSP did that to Sean in Team Fortress Mafia.
Poor Sean. TSP's natural prey.

[sabie12]

Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

you know it's interesting you bring this post up cuz i kinda doubt marmot would make this post if wilgy was a wolf lol

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

I think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

LP and Creature are both great votes today.

Why are they great votes?

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I swear people were trying to tell me creature was spewed town by Marmot but this is far from spewed town? This is legit bad?

I mentioned this before about creature but no one paid attention to it.

[Porscha]

Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

you know it's interesting you bring this post up cuz i kinda doubt marmot would make this post if wilgy was a wolf lol

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

I think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

LP and Creature are both great votes today.

Why are they great votes?

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I swear people were trying to tell me creature was spewed town by Marmot but this is far from spewed town? This is legit bad?

I mentioned this before about creature but no one paid attention to it.

why are we assuming marmot voted his own mafia? also if marmot asked why is creature a great vote, do we also question his throwing in LP to that question?

[sabie12]

Anyone checked for marmot spew?

He voted creature but then changed his vote to alison for her case on creature. So seems like that looks better for Alison and maybe not as great for creature

Yeah, think I agree with this after having read his ISO (I was expecting more than his 13 pitiful posts). His vote on Alison comes out of nowhere

I take that back jpic paid attention to it when I said it. But now you think creature is the towniest person. I'm assuming this change is because of the change in his posting today vs day 1

[sabie12]

Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

you know it's interesting you bring this post up cuz i kinda doubt marmot would make this post if wilgy was a wolf lol

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

I think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

LP and Creature are both great votes today.

Why are they great votes?

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I swear people were trying to tell me creature was spewed town by Marmot but this is far from spewed town? This is legit bad?

I mentioned this before about creature but no one paid attention to it.

why are we assuming marmot voted his own mafia? also if marmot asked why is creature a great vote, do we also question his throwing in LP to that question?

This progression was marmot voted creature then voted Alison for making a case on creature. That seems odd that marmot would suspect creature then vote a person who also was suspecting creature and just made a long case on him. I'd have to see what he said about LP

[Justplayingitcool]

Anyone checked for marmot spew?

He voted creature but then changed his vote to alison for her case on creature. So seems like that looks better for Alison and maybe not as great for creature

Yeah, think I agree with this after having read his ISO (I was expecting more than his 13 pitiful posts). His vote on Alison comes out of nowhere

I take that back jpic paid attention to it when I said it. But now you think creature is the towniest person. I'm assuming this change is because of the change in his posting today vs day 1

Yes, that was another reason why I scumread creature at the time. The other was when I was pulling my teeth out to get answers from him regarding his thoughts on marmot

It was meta & I just agreed with his takes throughout day 1 (except when he was scumreading me for nebulous reasons). His detatched doom is upon us all aligns with what I remember from his town game. I think there was some interaction from dizzy that felt perhaps non partnery

[sabie12]

Hi, my name is DrWilgy, and I am most definitely a doctor.

you know it's interesting you bring this post up cuz i kinda doubt marmot would make this post if wilgy was a wolf lol

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

I think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

LP and Creature are both great votes today.

Why are they great votes?

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I swear people were trying to tell me creature was spewed town by Marmot but this is far from spewed town? This is legit bad?

I mentioned this before about creature but no one paid attention to it.

why are we assuming marmot voted his own mafia? also if marmot asked why is creature a great vote, do we also question his throwing in LP to that question?

This progression was marmot voted creature then voted Alison for making a case on creature. That seems odd that marmot would suspect creature then vote a person who also was suspecting creature and just made a long case on him. I'd have to see what he said about LP

Oh you mean in response to Alison's post about LP. He didn't say anything about LP he questioned why Alison thought they were great votes. I don't know that this interaction says anything about LP in relation to marmot. Which isn't to say LP can't be mafia just don't think it would be because of this. Porscha you haven't voted who are you thinking?

[Justplayingitcool]

mathematically, how many mafia left? 3-4?

[LinearPoint]

mathematically, how many mafia left? 3-4?

Well OP says 7 so 5.

[Justplayingitcool]

i guess i should read the OP

[112]

I don't think I will ever townread sabie in this game.

[Justplayingitcool]

112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

[112]

112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

a list this hedgey can only come from town, right?

[sabie12]

I need to sleep. Ugh I don't know I think with the case on c4 coupled with that shot on bo after Bo voted dizzy I'll vote c4. And then one more vote left I guess I'm at a point where I need to make some kind of attempt to self pres. Guillo and 112 are others with a lot of votes and I don't feel strongly that either of them are town.

[Justplayingitcool]

112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

a list this hedgey can only come from town, right?

they were my gut reactions, yes

[112]

I need to sleep. Ugh I don't know I think with the case on c4 coupled with that shot on bo after Bo voted dizzy I'll vote c4. And then one more vote left I guess I'm at a point where I need to make some kind of attempt to self pres. Guillo and 112 are others with a lot of votes and I don't feel strongly that either of them are town.

I refuse to believe I am crazy. That is not the paranoid psychotic way. This is a scum slot.

[sabie12]

I need to sleep. Ugh I don't know I think with the case on c4 coupled with that shot on bo after Bo voted dizzy I'll vote c4. And then one more vote left I guess I'm at a point where I need to make some kind of attempt to self pres. Guillo and 112 are others with a lot of votes and I don't feel strongly that either of them are town.

I refuse to believe I am crazy. That is not the paranoid psychotic way. This is a scum slot.

You're not crazy. Wrong yes but not crazy.

[Justplayingitcool]

I miss the days when c4 would drop into the thread and town up the game all over the thread

making it hard for me to defend you ;(

[Paopan]

112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

You teammates with HK and C4? Great

[Justplayingitcool]

8 votes is simply not enough

[112]

8 votes is simply not enough

What the hell is Scotty doing down in that engine room?

[Justplayingitcool]

If I had to rank my voters from most to least suspicious

Voters: Alexa, ilario, Dyachei, Belzy, Sloonei, Phil and Gloria, sabie12, TSP, Paopan, Dr Wigy

[112]

unvoted wilgy

[112]

If I had to rank my voters from most to least suspicious

Voters: Alexa, ilario, Dyachei, Belzy, Sloonei, Phil and Gloria, sabie12, TSP, Paopan, Dr Wigy

ye was just thonking abt wilgy

[112]

ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

[Justplayingitcool]

ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

He shot dizzy tho

[Justplayingitcool]

I could see ilario being a wolf if it wasn't for that fact though

[112]

ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

He shot dizzy tho

dizzy was obvwolf

[Phil and Gloria]

112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

I actually don't care if ppl vote tsp but also don't

[Justplayingitcool]

ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

He shot dizzy tho

dizzy was obvwolf

but why. He could have easily shot someone else like a town and gotten away with it. Dizzy had the potential to go deep into the game

[ilario]

My thoughts on your case are [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine lmao

Do you think he’s approaching you in bad faith?

[112]

ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

He shot dizzy tho

dizzy was obvwolf

but why. He could have easily shot someone else like a town and gotten away with it. Dizzy had the potential to go deep into the game

cuz he himself has always had a better chance than dizzy of going deep in the game and if he shoots dizzy it solidifies it??

[112]

not my first guess but not at all out of the realm of possibility

[Justplayingitcool]

wolves shooting partners is cowardly.

[ilario]

@ilario

What did i say in the comments to you that pinged you?

ig the reasonings to ur reads felt very generic to me and not very convincing if im being totally honest

[112]

wolves shooting partners is cowardly.

but it's big plays.

[Justplayingitcool]

@ilario

What did i say in the comments to you that pinged you?

ig the reasonings to ur reads felt very generic to me and not very convincing if im being totally honest

why didn't you say this at the time....

[Justplayingitcool]

it's not helpful to say something like that 24 hours later lol

[Justplayingitcool]

which reads in particular felt generic. help me out here

[ilario]

Guillotine looks wolfy. What's there going for them?

Mech from alexa

Also have found him towny but apparently people who just saw him wolf don't agree so eh

uhhh i retract the mech tbh, i was blocked last night. maybe this was stupid to fake claim in case i got vigged but i was given a vest thus not worried

i just thought their reaction to my threat to shoot them was villagery and that dizzy seemed pockety toward him

why did u wanna green him though?

[ilario]

which reads in particular felt generic. help me out here

lemme find them

[ilario]

True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Creature - his detatched doom crying was towny as I recall he did that in the past in his town game. His scum game feels very different here compared to the one I played him on. I think Dizzy sorta shaded him heavily as well iirc, I think I had an interaction with dizzy on that which you can check in my iso

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

So the creature take felt like you were more or less echoing what others had said and also his detached style was still present on d1 but u kinda pushed him for it anyways. So part of me wonders if your d1 push was
Opportunistic.

The belzy reasoning seems fine enough and I don’t really have a problem with it

The c4 reasoning is very generic and generally a reasoning I tend to find >rand w. You also pass the question back to me in a way that it looks like you don’t really believe in the read that much yourself which is fine if you don’t but I sorta would have expected you to have more nuanced and passionate views about several slots by this point in the game

[ilario]

Guillo has asked alota questions today that’s sorta went nowhere

[ilario]

I’m voting him again

[ilario]

Fwiw I can possibly see town!sig shooting Nutella, I can possibly see town!sabie shooting ender, but I can’t see them both being town with wolves having almost no kp if that’s the case. So I kinda wanna blast them both and see which one flips wolf (idt both are )

[Justplayingitcool]

True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Creature - his detatched doom crying was towny as I recall he did that in the past in his town game. His scum game feels very different here compared to the one I played him on. I think Dizzy sorta shaded him heavily as well iirc, I think I had an interaction with dizzy on that which you can check in my iso

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

So the creature take felt like you were more or less echoing what others had said and also his detached style was still present on d1 but u kinda pushed him for it anyways. So part of me wonders if your d1 push was
Opportunistic.

The belzy reasoning seems fine enough and I don’t really have a problem with it

The c4 reasoning is very generic and generally a reasoning I tend to find >rand w. You also pass the question back to me in a way that it looks like you don’t really believe in the read that much yourself which is fine if you don’t but I sorta would have expected you to have more nuanced and passionate views about several slots by this point in the game

No, pretty sure I was the first one to bring up the creature take. I suspected creature at first because of marmot spew and his interactions with me regarding marmot. I changed my mind on this at some point day 1 because I felt like he was playing more closely to his town game, which wasn't something that I remembered up at that point.

I used the c4 type of reasoning before in yolo's game, and many others. I use meta reads a lot - I can't help it. I asked the question back to you because everyone thought he was scummy and I wanted to hear your thoughts as someone who I remember played with him in yolo's game, as I wanted to see if my thoughts aligned with someone who played that game.

[LinearPoint]

Not a bad top 8 honestly.