The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:Hi Soneji. We seem to be in the process of deciding which one of Turnip Head and Boomslang we should lynch first. It's probably time we all started gravitating for a single one of them in the poll. Who do you think it should be?

Sloonei wrote:Why is TH in your second tier of suspects and not your first?

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why is TH in your second tier of suspects and not your first?

For the same reason I'm voting Boomslang over TH really. I haven't seen anything I can view as townlike behavior from Draconus, Boomslang and Chaindeath while I have a bit of reason to doubt my read on TH, which has its main basis in his reaction to the lynch options on day 2. He did in the end vote for Fuzz and if scum, had the time to set up the potential to vote for someone else if the need arise. Then there is the possibility of Ika as the seemer, which muddies the water a bit more.

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why is TH in your second tier of suspects and not your first?

For the same reason I'm voting Boomslang over TH really. I haven't seen anything I can view as townlike behavior from Draconus, Boomslang and Chaindeath while I have a bit of reason to doubt my read on TH, which has its main basis in his reaction to the lynch options on day 2. He did in the end vote for Fuzz and if scum, had the time to set up the potential to vote for someone else if the need arise. Then there is the possibility of Ika as the seemer, which muddies the water a bit more.

What about the thought of DDL as the seemer?
The one thing about TH that makes him a more appealing lynch today is that the case on him is the most substantial one that there is in this game. We all seem confident enough with Boomslang, but a large part of thay is his inactivity. Turnip Head has provided lots of content to analyze, and the results have come back mostly scummy. That's the way I see it, at least. Others do not need to agree.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Matt rejoined the game into a civilian role. Matt 1.0 could not have been the seemer, Sloonei is correct. Any baddie by default cannot rejoin a game.

Sloonei wrote:As we get closer to the deadline I think ot becomes imperative that we all consolidate our votes on one player. There's too much behind the scenes vote shenanigans going on to comfortably have split votes if it's not necessary.

Sloonei wrote:As we get closer to the deadline I think ot becomes imperative that we all consolidate our votes on one player. There's too much behind the scenes vote shenanigans going on to comfortably have split votes if it's not necessary.

Quin wrote:Gonna change to turnip, because now I'm worried I'm voting him based on inactivity. Mind you, under normal circumstances I'd be keen to vote out inactives. It's a matter of principle.

thellama73 wrote:if Turnip Head is playing a baddie game, it's one of the most brilliant I've ever seen.

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:As we get closer to the deadline I think ot becomes imperative that we all consolidate our votes on one player. There's too much behind the scenes vote shenanigans going on to comfortably have split votes if it's not necessary.

Either that, or we have two we pretty much ALL suspect so it makes baddie shenanigans harder. I am happy with my vote on Turnip Head, but am also good with all the votes on Boomrique. That also plays into the plan for signalling that 509378 was discussing.

We have had some really good talk today, thanks for putting up with me not being a part of it. Sometimes life is that way.

I will probably post again towards the end of day, mainly if a vote change is required, or to reaffirm my vote for teh TH.

Welcome replacement people, goodluck catching up, if you read anything,read the last hour of Day 2 starting here, with Fuzz' Day 2 vote for ika:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p242378

And going to the lynch post. It explains a lot of the rest of the game.

thellama73 wrote:All right, I can get behind a Boomslang lynch, because if Turnip Head is playing a baddie game, it's one of the most brilliant I've ever seen.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath thinks a TH lynch would be best since boom has been non-existent this game it would be easy to lynch boom tomorrow.

In regards to the sockface role, chaindeath thinks that it could be the real role. If he remembers correctly there was a night that not much happened in the way of nighttime arrests and perhaps that was the time the rainbow list was used. It seems like that would be more likely than both of the Dons being found in the same night.

Time for lunch!
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Sloonei wrote:@ sig: But that's not how you phrased it at all. You went as far as to say "as of right now...", which strongly implies that you are referring to things specific to the prior night phases in This Game. Also that role is less of a risk to townies in this game because it requires unanimous and anonymous support from multiple town players in order to perform a kill. It's not like it's just a lone townie making kills every night. Two townies have to agree on a target without even knowing each other's identities. I don't think the hitmen pose much of a risk/threat to the town. If they did, we'd have more than one townie dead at their hands.

I am confused about your response to my question. It does not even come close to matching your original statement. Why the inconsistency?

Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!

Nerolunar wrote:

Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!

Sure, although I don´t have much to comment on.

Chaindeath trying to redirect a lynch unto Th is a little weird to me. I think Boomslang is so much more suspicious right now, and I would like Chaindeath to elaborate on why he thinks TH is more suspicious in the light of possible evidence that we have.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:if Turnip Head is playing a baddie game, it's one of the most brilliant I've ever seen.

Just because of the Fuzz vote? Or what else?

Epignosis wrote:I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

Dom wrote:Why might someone vote Boomslang over TH? HAs he just been really fleety?

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!

Sure, although I don´t have much to comment on.

Chaindeath trying to redirect a lynch unto Th is a little weird to me. I think Boomslang is so much more suspicious right now, and I would like Chaindeath to elaborate on why he thinks TH is more suspicious in the light of possible evidence that we have.

Redirect? Most of the day has been about discussing which one of those two to lynch. No one's redirecting a lynch anywhere. TH has 5 votes. The only person not participating in the lynch so far today is Boomslang himself.

thellama73 wrote:This one:

Epignosis wrote:I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

Nerolunar wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!

Sure, although I don´t have much to comment on.

Chaindeath trying to redirect a lynch unto Th is a little weird to me. I think Boomslang is so much more suspicious right now, and I would like Chaindeath to elaborate on why he thinks TH is more suspicious in the light of possible evidence that we have.

Redirect? Most of the day has been about discussing which one of those two to lynch. No one's redirecting a lynch anywhere. TH has 5 votes. The only person not participating in the lynch so far today is Boomslang himself.

I don´t see why TH is suspicious. Is there a case anywhere that I have missed?

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:All right, I can get behind a Boomslang lynch, because if Turnip Head is playing a baddie game, it's one of the most brilliant I've ever seen.

Can you clarify why you don't want to lynch TH?

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:This one:

Epignosis wrote:I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

What do you think of my answer to this question a few posts later?

Sloonei wrote:I will not be around for the deadline so I'll have to make a final vote about 2 hours prior to it. I'm still good with either option but with the votes split the way they are the picture is muddied a bit.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:All right, I can get behind a Boomslang lynch, because if Turnip Head is playing a baddie game, it's one of the most brilliant I've ever seen.

Can you clarify why you don't want to lynch TH?

TH cast a tying vote for RadicalFuzz, who was a cop. I can't see a good reason for him to do that if they were teammates. Prisoner says it was for civ cred and that Fuzz told him to do it in the thread, but if he really wanted civ cred, Fuzz should have told him to do it behind the scenes. THe fact that he didn't undermines the civ cred argument for me. Also see the post I just referenced by Epignosis.

thellama73 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:This one:

Epignosis wrote:I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

What do you think of my answer to this question a few posts later?

I don't agree with it. It's possible to rationalize any behavior away as "building townie cred," but if you take thta attitude all the time, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from in-thread behavior, or voting pattersn for that matter. I continue to believe that there are actions that make no sense as a cop, and thta very few if any baddies would do.

Sloonei wrote:Black Rock and sig, where yous at?

Sloonei wrote: I don't agree with it. It's possible to rationalize any behavior away as "building townie cred," but if you take thta attitude all the time, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from in-thread behavior, or voting pattersn for that matter. I continue to believe that there are actions that make no sense as a cop, and thta very few if any baddies would do.

Dom wrote:Also, indiglo! I've missed playing with you-- glad to se you!

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:As we get closer to the deadline I think ot becomes imperative that we all consolidate our votes on one player. There's too much behind the scenes vote shenanigans going on to comfortably have split votes if it's not necessary.

My finger is on the trigger.

thellama73 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I don't agree with it. It's possible to rationalize any behavior away as "building townie cred," but if you take thta attitude all the time, it's impossible to draw any conclusions from in-thread behavior, or voting pattersn for that matter. I continue to believe that there are actions that make no sense as a cop, and thta very few if any baddies would do.

I don't think the tentative suggestion of a Chinese Fire Drill on Day 2 is a strong enough piece of evidence to overwhelm the much larger case against TH at this point. I have no trouble reading that post of his from a baddie perspective, and if it's supposed to be his strongest civ point in the game then I want to lynch him even more.

And you agree that the vote for Fuzz, including its timing, makes sense for a cop seeking civvie cred?

Sloonei wrote:Sig has remained silent since this post, so I'm bumping it again.

Sloonei wrote:@ sig: But that's not how you phrased it at all. You went as far as to say "as of right now...", which strongly implies that you are referring to things specific to the prior night phases in This Game. Also that role is less of a risk to townies in this game because it requires unanimous and anonymous support from multiple town players in order to perform a kill. It's not like it's just a lone townie making kills every night. Two townies have to agree on a target without even knowing each other's identities. I don't think the hitmen pose much of a risk/threat to the town. If they did, we'd have more than one townie dead at their hands.

I am confused about your response to my question. It does not even come close to matching your original statement. Why the inconsistency?

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:Why might someone vote Boomslang over TH? HAs he just been really fleety?

He replaced Enrique, whose behavior whioe he was in the game was not the most civie thing in the world. He appeared to take nothing seriously until we lynched RadicalFuzz, a cop, and Enrique got mad. He also was voting for Fuzz before the bandwagon against him started, and then Enrique immediately switched his vote to someone else (ika, i think) once the real Fuzz votes started coming in.

His post history is not that long if you want to check it out for yourself.

thellama73 wrote:This one:

Epignosis wrote:I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

sig wrote:Okay so TH came out hard to defend me, I have had some thoughts that someone defending me was mafia, simply since keeping me alive caused more in thread chaos and distraction. That could be TH. However, at the same time he really did push for my defense. I'll look over the case on him, but for the time I'm voting for Boomslang. He was my second choice for yesterday, and my first choice for today.