The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:31 am**

Not that those worlds need to be publicly explained aloud in detail

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:36 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:16 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:38 pm who is jack

also grogu literally was like "the check on me wasn't framed or anything, mafia wouldn't do that to me, so the red is fake"

towny af

crown grogu for being the paragon of towniness

I don’t think that’s like a correct thing for town Guru to say. I think we have too many red peeks on him to let him go. Like he’s borderlines confirmed wolf if the cop is like a third of the players.

I don’t particularly think figuring out which if any (Chard included) is telling the truth but there’s just a really high chance someone has actually red peeked this dude.

If he’s town and nobody peeked him and we’re all idiots, I’ll feel a little bad cause there’s nothing he coulda done differently. But no worse than chopping a townie who replaces into a scummy slot.

I like the case made here even if i have dubious feelings on Jack. Gives me conflicting feelings lol.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:45 am**

Wait what? You agree with that?

All 3 red peeks on Grogu were admitted to be fake LOL

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:55 am**

Actually doesn't that Jack post you quoted seem scummy af? Like he's trying to be like no no no even though all the Grogu checks are fake he's scum anway

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:56 am**

hahaha, I have a gut feeling cop opted to back off to see if they could get more info down the line. THough it is a gut feeling, and Maybe i should stop speculating about it.

You said Grogu actually strikes you as town tonally? why is that?

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:00 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:55 am Actually doesn't that Jack post you quoted seem scummy af? Like he's trying to be like no no no even though all the Grogu checks are fake he's scum anway

He sounded "informed" into Grogu's alignment. If youre picking up what im laying down

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:02 am**

wait ignore what i just said.

I thought jack was one of the folks supporting the Early low info push on Grogu. Looks like he came to the conclusion the SR Grogu after the dust settled

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:04 am**

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:02 am wait ignore what i just said.

I thought jack was one of the folks supporting the Early low info push on Grogu. Looks like he came to the conclusion the SR Grogu after the dust settled

yeah total Maf right lol

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:04 am**

I'm assuming the Grogu tone question was for me and idk I find him so innocent it hurts, like hard to fake levels

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:07 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:04 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:02 am wait ignore what i just said.

I thought jack was one of the folks supporting the Early low info push on Grogu. Looks like he came to the conclusion the SR Grogu after the dust settled
yeah total Maf right lol

You are probably right

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:08 am**

f it I'm voting Jack lol

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Nutella I see you please validate my drunk reads

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:10 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:04 am I'm assuming the Grogu tone question was for me and idk I find him so innocent it hurts, like hard to fake levels

hmmmm, not sure about that

-/-/-/-

I'll help out

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:13 am**

Let's keep these 3v3v3 wagons until the last second for the culture

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:35 am**

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

raisins

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:12 am**

I've fallen a bit out of touch with this game, but, all mech and fake claim and stuff aside,

Jack is probably the scummiest just based on his individual posts at times feeling a bit blendy.

I think Epi sounds like a townie who is using his alignment to coast by when he's busy irl/can't keep up with the high posters. I'm maybe still stuck in D0/D1 mode there, when the thread was buzzing and he didn't seem to care and just sorta popped in whenever he felt like it and did Epi things.

I think Esooa's explanation re: forgetting about the game is believable. I think Grogu sounds innocent and that could go either way.

Jack subbed in and immediately fumbled his way through the ongoing Michelle vs Made discussion (I think it was that), and is now sitting back and basically going 'hmm, yes, no, maybe' to things you guys say. I don't sense the same HEE HO energy I'm used to with town Jack (which is possibly unfair because he did sub, so he might just be busy irl and all).

Seanzie is a big blank hole of null to me, so I'm good with that chop as well just on principle. And I don't know what to make of Guillo because you open the iso and it's just a blast of AtE but that's sort of in line with how I think of him from one previous town game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:12 am**

So in conclusion,

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:13 am**

Apparently that was the 6666th post of the game.

HEE HO.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:18 am**

@Master Radishes what do you think of Mac? I want to tinfoil him for the culture

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:23 am**

Oh I forgot about him. Throughout the game I've been tinfoiling him a bit too actually. He never really felt like he had proper town Mac energy. He had spurts where he was Mac-ish but never the guy who takes over a game and roots out the scum until they fear kill him.

That may not be fair because that high-energy style of play can't be sustained in every game and all. But yeah, if we shoot into the PoE and miss once or twice, my first port of call for a new angle is Mac.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:25 am**

Everyone be quiet I'm going to post reads

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:26 am**

Kaz is 200% town and no one ever dare go against me on that even if you make it to F3.

Nutella is very likely town, though if she made it to end game I'd take another look.

Made's burying of Michelle & subsequent despair about G-Man is really townie and so he's basically locked too.

And I guess Daisy has claimed so that's a thing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:32 am**

KZA

Nutella
Radish
Made
Daisy

Esooa
Chardonnay

Guilo
Grogu
Mac

Epi
Seanzie
Jack

112
LordQuas

OKAY AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY ELITE COLOURS CHOICES THE GAME IS SOLVED

ALSO SORRY IF YOU AREN'T IN DARK MODE THIS IS PROBABLY AN EYESORE

yeah I'm elite sometimes...hopefully this time

and yeah it probably won't be this easy because THIS IS MAFIA DAMNIT BUT IM GOING WITH THIS

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:36 am**

@Master Radishes do you think Guilo calls that he has the hammer as scum? Like I'm the only person who would've known due to me being the 1 other contestant in the art contest

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:39 am**

There's also the epic tinfoil of Radish being some random double targeting scum role but that's probably really stupid and not worth considering, like I didn't even check the roles list to determine the viability of that before I made this post, that's how hard I'm vibing right now

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:40 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:36 am @Master Radishes do you think Guilo calls that he has the hammer as scum? Like I'm the only person who would've known due to me being the 1 other contestant in the art contest

Scum can be honest in a bid for town cred. I don't think that sways me either way.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:41 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:40 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:36 am @Master Radishes do you think Guilo calls that he has the hammer as scum? Like I'm the only person who would've known due to me being the 1 other contestant in the art contest
Scum can be honest in a bid for town cred. I don't think that sways me either way.

Yeah fair since he risks me figuring the mechanic of the competition and outing him if he uses the hammer anonymously

So basically I'm 0% chance of being w/w with Guilo in case I needed more townie points

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:46 am**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:39 am There's also the epic tinfoil of Radish being some random double targeting scum role but that's probably really stupid and not worth considering, like I didn't even check the roles list to determine the viability of that before I made this post, that's how hard I'm vibing right now

I actually find the descriptions of the scum roles kinda confusing. When 112 outed her track I went to check if she could be mistaken and I couldn't really decide if some of them did separate actions.

Speaking of 112, any word on her track?

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:50 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:46 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:39 am There's also the epic tinfoil of Radish being some random double targeting scum role but that's probably really stupid and not worth considering, like I didn't even check the roles list to determine the viability of that before I made this post, that's how hard I'm vibing right now
I actually find the descriptions of the scum roles kinda confusing. When 112 outed her track I went to check if she could be mistaken and I couldn't really decide if some of them did separate actions.

Speaking of 112, any word on her track?

No tbh she's being standard modern-era 112 and I'm feeling safe about her actually townsiding or at least not helping the scum

We have the exact same reads for the most part so outside of a wild Epi-Radish-Jack scum team theory I'll probably not suspect you

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:55 am**

Yeah I don't doubt 112 at this point. She doesn't have any stake in this game and it shows.

@112 give us your actions though.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:38 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:55 am Yeah I don't doubt 112 at this point. She doesn't have any stake in this game and it shows.

@112 give us your actions though.

i forgot to submit my track

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:40 pm**

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:48 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:32 am KZA

Nutella
Radish
Made
Daisy

Esooa
Chardonnay

Guilo
Grogu
Mac

Epi
Seanzie
Jack

112
LordQuas

OKAY AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY ELITE COLOURS CHOICES THE GAME IS SOLVED

ALSO SORRY IF YOU AREN'T IN DARK MODE THIS IS PROBABLY AN EYESORE

yeah I'm elite sometimes...hopefully this time

and yeah it probably won't be this easy because THIS IS MAFIA DAMNIT BUT IM GOING WITH THIS

i believe in u kaz

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:49 pm**

112 + lordquas coasting to a win... you love to see it,,

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:49 pm**

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:23 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:08 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:06 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:55 am I feel like Chardonnay might actually be Mafia. I don't really get why he's claiming he did "obvious cop cover". Who were you trying to cover for?
I thought making a hard low info push that was out of character for my more laid back nature would make it look like a cop soft.

SO then i could draw mafia away from cop hunting elsewhere.
yeah I don't really know you and had this idea that someone else would have to be scumreading Grogu hard but then I was like nah...he can pick his own soft target
tbh i felt like i struck gold with the Grogu push when several other people were pushing it shortly after. Made me feel like the Noir has check Goru last night and got a guilty. lol

I still think Grogu is scummy tho. Im just having a hard time writing out a meaningful explanation.

-/-/--

pre-edit

This whole cop cover thing that happened today makes me want to run a roster wide "Hypocop" WHere everybody outs there hypotical results if they the were the cop. Could be fun and useful since cop chould have 3 results to share. THoughts?

The idea that everyone who isn’t the cop fakes red peeks on the same player as cover for each other while each thinks one of the other players faking the peek is telling the truth is hilarious and I hope that isn’t what happened.

But even if it is, that doesn’t make Goru town.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:52 pm**

Pretending to fake peeks for cover is generally not something I see wolves doing very often.

So chances are, most if not everyone who faked a red on Goru is town, which makes Goru statistically more likely to be scum.

And if you were gonna do what Chard or Mac or Kza did as a wolf? Probably cause Goru is your teammate.

Multiple choice reasoning for Goru being the right chop.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:01 pm**

Spoiler alert: I’m not getting chopped today.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:02 pm**

And if anyone bothers to read my iso instead of the incredibly tired “I don’t know what I’m doing so I’ll just default to suspecting Jack” strategy that literally never works, it’ll be really clear that I’m town here.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:08 pm**

jack clearly town

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm**

Here’s my spicy take tho.

Nutella has made no attempt at all to read me or Epi all game, the two players she claims to suspect most.

Seriously. Look at her posts. Do you see someone trying to figure out someone else’s alignment? I don’t. What I do see is someone who wants Goru alive at the end of the day. That’s extra sus if Goru is a wolf.

I think Chard is town. He feels too comfortable to be a wolf unless the other wolves are some really weird couple like 112 and Quas and that’s just generally unlikely.

Mac’s “you got got, nerd” is fine. Wrongtown Mac would say something like that. Still a pretty solid townread.

Kza’s read on me is problematic but there’s enough reason to townread him besides that he’s probably just wrongtown.

I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:20 pm**

Actually, Radish calling me “blendy” could qualify as “blatantly dishonest.”

If anything, I’m playing devil’s advocate and refusing to play along with gambits. That’s the opposite of blending.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:21 pm**

Baby Yoda/Nutella/Radishes.

You’re welcome, hee hos.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:22 pm**

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:47 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:40 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:36 am @Master Radishes do you think Guilo calls that he has the hammer as scum? Like I'm the only person who would've known due to me being the 1 other contestant in the art contest
Scum can be honest in a bid for town cred. I don't think that sways me either way.

Yah I would do this as scum, free town cred baby.

I townread MR for this post, it shows he is considering options and a healthy amount of paranoia.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:48 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:46 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:39 am There's also the epic tinfoil of Radish being some random double targeting scum role but that's probably really stupid and not worth considering, like I didn't even check the roles list to determine the viability of that before I made this post, that's how hard I'm vibing right now
I actually find the descriptions of the scum roles kinda confusing. When 112 outed her track I went to check if she could be mistaken and I couldn't really decide if some of them did separate actions.

Speaking of 112, any word on her track?

All roles descriptions are kinda confusing, I dont know it the host did that premeditatedly but yah.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:57 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:49 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:23 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:08 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:06 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:55 am I feel like Chardonnay might actually be Mafia. I don't really get why he's claiming he did "obvious cop cover". Who were you trying to cover for?
I thought making a hard low info push that was out of character for my more laid back nature would make it look like a cop soft.

SO then i could draw mafia away from cop hunting elsewhere.
yeah I don't really know you and had this idea that someone else would have to be scumreading Grogu hard but then I was like nah...he can pick his own soft target
tbh i felt like i struck gold with the Grogu push when several other people were pushing it shortly after. Made me feel like the Noir has check Goru last night and got a guilty. lol

I still think Grogu is scummy tho. Im just having a hard time writing out a meaningful explanation.

-/-/--

pre-edit

This whole cop cover thing that happened today makes me want to run a roster wide "Hypocop" WHere everybody outs there hypotical results if they the were the cop. Could be fun and useful since cop chould have 3 results to share. THoughts?
The idea that everyone who isn’t the cop fakes red peeks on the same player as cover for each other while each thinks one of the other players faking the peek is telling the truth is hilarious and I hope that isn’t what happened.

But even if it is, that doesn’t make Goru town.

Grogu has very incriminating posts but I'm not sure if a wolf wouldn't be careful to not post those posts.

Like, can wolves be derps? I think they can be, I've seen clueless wolves in the games I've hosted. (Caccio) At what point derping is too much derp and scum indicative? Also I wouldn't discard the possibility that a wolf would fake red check in the middle of the claim fuckery to blend in.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:03 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm Here’s my spicy take tho.

Nutella has made no attempt at all to read me or Epi all game, the two players she claims to suspect most.

Seriously. Look at her posts. Do you see someone trying to figure out someone else’s alignment? I don’t. What I do see is someone who wants Goru alive at the end of the day. That’s extra sus if Goru is a wolf.

I think Chard is town. He feels too comfortable to be a wolf unless the other wolves are some really weird couple like 112 and Quas and that’s just generally unlikely.

Mac’s “you got got, nerd” is fine. Wrongtown Mac would say something like that. Still a pretty solid townread.

Kza’s read on me is problematic but there’s enough reason to townread him besides that he’s probably just wrongtown.

I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.

I agree with you on Nutella. Kinda meh on your townread on Mac just for that? KZA is tinfoiling but I townread him. Radishes has his moments of mud and clarity, there are some posts I've really liked from him. I don't know about Chard, but if Nutella is wolf then I think Chard is spewed town, I explained why in my nutella iso read.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:08 pm**

has guillo claimed? because he still seems scummy to me

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:40 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.

Shrug.

You're right I've generally been good at reading you. (A) Maybe this is the time I do it wrong; or (B) maybe you haven't been active enough for me to see through your inherent natural scumminess that makes people wanna chop you.

(Or (C) maybe I'm right.

)

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:40 pm**

Or (D) maybe I'm on a mission to prove you're choppable.

Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:55 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:40 pm Or (D) maybe I'm on a mission to prove you're choppable.

Which would be scummy af. Gottem.

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