The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:10 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:04 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:37 am My first instinct is that Long Con is doing that incredulous town thing where you dismiss an idea that sounds unlikely on the surface even if it really isn't farfetched. I probably won't take that read anywhere though, because it's tiny and weak. Long Con told me not to force it.
I'm not clear - what idea am I dismissing?
The notion that two mafia would act as the only two votes for the same player halfway through Day 1. I would find that rather unremarkable.
I'm not dismissing that. You asked me for a reason why two mafia might want to NOT vote the same person. I came up with one and told you that the point isn't relevant.
I'm referring to your initial response to Oddmerta's gripe. Whatever though, I don't view this dialogue as being especially informative.
Would you like it to be? I can explain my point again, since you missed it.

My point is that Oddmerta is using the fact that I voted alongside someone that Odd suspects, as evidence that I'm bad.

I don't think that's genuine logic. Two scum CAN vote together, but is such a thing SO LIKELY that you form a suspicion on one player merely because that player voted alongside another? Of course not, that is not logical at all. Furthermore, Oddmerta fluffed it off and didn't confront or clarify that accusation, which looks bad.
so, this isn't w/w at the very least

I also think it makes no sense - like yeah, the argument is pretty weird, but is it that wolfy that you get hung up on it like this?

it feels pretty lawyer-y and robotic in its' presentation. "it could be this, but is such a thing THAT LIKELY that he'd believe it?" which doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

i can sort of see what he means but i think the delivery is a bit bad, maybe

and besides, look at what i've coloured

i don't see why he's so hung up on this, once again

Who is this “not w/w” indicative for?

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:40 am I had looked at Bo's ISO last night, and I got some bad vibes from it. Then Joseph said something negative about Bo that I agreed with or at least was willing to sheep. And the "I forgot who ted was" thing strikes me as a not-entirely-genuine mistake (probably with a real core) that is getting played up to cultivate a slightly derpy harmless-town look.

this is another thing that i didn't like - but it's mostly based on the way it's presented.

"got some bad vibes from it" and no further elaboration. why not explain what it was you felt was weird about bo?

i must have made this read at least 4 times and have been wrong every single time, but that's not gonna stop me. wolves in multiball have some subconscious "tells" or i guess some gut things that are hard to explain. it's because they are a wolf and they have like this higher sense of what is villagery and what is wolfy, and in multiball, a lot of wolves get gut pinged on stuff that they can't explain. it ~could be this scenario.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm**

alternatively i'm about to be wrong for the 5th time on that read, but i love making it

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm**

I might be bias but i didn’t hate that post by LC because it was also related to me

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm I might be bias but i didn’t hate that post by LC because it was also related to me

In regards to the two scum voting together post that ted talked about

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:10 pm Who is this “not w/w” indicative for?

oddmerta / lc

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm I might be bias but i didn’t hate that post by LC because it was also related to me
In regards to the two scum voting together post that ted talked about

it has a bit of sense but i feel like it's not a thing that would concern a villager as much as it did to LC

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 pm remind me why nanook is town, @fingersplints

I don’t have concrete reasons. Just reminding me of the town game I’ve seen. I asked earlier for someone to please give me a review of the case and got no responses, so town lean he stays

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm**

i have no read on tsp fwiw - i just voted him for self pres reasons lol

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:16 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm I might be bias but i didn’t hate that post by LC because it was also related to me
In regards to the two scum voting together post that ted talked about
it has a bit of sense but i feel like it's not a thing that would concern a villager as much as it did to LC

The only particular gripe I had about it was that it sounded somewhat dramatic

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:16 pm**

i don't have actual reads on a lot of people

oddmerta case was explained by hally and by myself early on (i believe it was page 1 in my iso)

kza was explained some pages ago, i forgot

and LC is my newfound stuff

I have slight concerns for al and it sucks that he's not here to post, i don't know if he knows how i play on ab and a lot of my read is based on that

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:16 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:16 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:12 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 pm I might be bias but i didn’t hate that post by LC because it was also related to me
In regards to the two scum voting together post that ted talked about
it has a bit of sense but i feel like it's not a thing that would concern a villager as much as it did to LC
The only particular gripe I had about it was that it sounded somewhat dramatic

perhaps that's another way to put it

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:18 pm**

I'd say AL is at pretty =rand if I were to be honest with myself

idk how to interpret marmot's stuff

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm i have no read on tsp fwiw - i just voted him for self pres reasons lol

Let’s breathe some life in the nanook wagon.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:20 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm i have no read on tsp fwiw - i just voted him for self pres reasons lol
Let’s breathe some life in the nanook wagon.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still just don't see why Nanook is a stronger chop than ted or TSP.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:21 pm**

what's the nook stuff?

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:22 pm**

i’m honestly not sold on ted being a wolf. his attitude to being suspected is kinda villagery. it has a “i’ll be vindicated with my flip and you’ll all look dumb” feel to it. i dunno if that’s out of his wolf range but it’s a thing

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:22 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm i have no read on tsp fwiw - i just voted him for self pres reasons lol
Let’s breathe some life in the nanook wagon.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Please recap your reasons for a nanook vote

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:25 pm**

i honestly don’t feel invested in this game enough to care who dies between ted/tsp/nook

i would even kill al or dom just cause. or lc. the list of people who i’m like “shrug, they can die sure” is quite long

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:25 pm**

I have no concrete case on nanook at this time and I’m about to head out for an hour or so. The gist is he has done nothing to earn a town read and his general demeanor here reminds me of past scum performances I have witnessed as his teammate. I urge others to look into him with a critical eye and see what turns up.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:27 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:25 pm I have no concrete case on nanook at this time and I’m about to head out for an hour or so. The gist is he has done nothing to earn a town read and his general demeanor here reminds me of past scum performances I have witnessed as his teammate. I urge others to look into him with a critical eye and see what turns up.

I did. Nothing turned up. You're right that he hasn't done much to be a towny, but everyone attests to that being his meta.

You yourself posted damning interactions metween Marmot and ted. The interactions between Marmot and TSP are equally suspicious. It's pretty weird that you're shifting your vote to someone else who you don't have a concrete case for.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:27 pm**

i thought nook’s posting while i was asleep was fine tbh

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:30 pm**

i have been reading trivia questions to high schoolers for the last 7 hours. i am not being paid.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:31 pm**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:25 pm I have no concrete case on nanook at this time and I’m about to head out for an hour or so. The gist is he has done nothing to earn a town read and his general demeanor here reminds me of past scum performances I have witnessed as his teammate. I urge others to look into him with a critical eye and see what turns up.
I did. Nothing turned up. You're right that he hasn't done much to be a towny, but everyone attests to that being his meta.

You yourself posted damning interactions metween Marmot and ted. The interactions between Marmot and TSP are equally suspicious. It's pretty weird that you're shifting your vote to someone else who you don't have a concrete case for.

I’m shifting my vote to see what ted wi do. We still have 4 hours to go.

Also this is all nanook’s meta regardless of alignment, so it should not be taken as reason to trust him. It should just be regarded as reason to trust that he is indeed nanook.

There were some iffy marmot interactions with him as well.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:32 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:30 pm i have been reading trivia questions to high schoolers for the last 7 hours. i am not being paid.

that’s nice of you. creating a new generation of trivia wizards to follow in your footsteps

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:33 pm**

@tedxtr and @TonyStarkPrime should probably claim

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:34 pm**

Ok well I’ve only seen town nanook, so I admit my read isn’t the best out there. But I’m not going to switch my vote off someone I strongly suspect without damn good reasons.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:35 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:33 pm @tedxtr and @TonyStarkPrime should probably claim

no

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:35 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:35 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:33 pm @tedxtr and @TonyStarkPrime should probably claim
no

why not?

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:36 pm**

not allowed

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:36 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:36 pm not allowed

unfortunate

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:37 pm**

something to consider: marmot used a pretty low tier fake claim. probably means the more main roles are more likely town than not. which is another reason why people shouldn't claim.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:38 pm**

(because it means there are more likely soup-esque mechs)

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:39 pm**

i’m ready to get souped

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:41 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 pm i have no read on tsp fwiw - i just voted him for self pres reasons lol
Let’s breathe some life in the nanook wagon.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Go away

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:41 pm**

i feel like there’s probably a hostile 3P with an anticlaim mechanic that can hurt both wolves and villagers

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:43 pm**

problem: wolves probably not gonna be claiming as such

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:46 pm**

[VOTE: LC ] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:48 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:43 pm problem: wolves probably not gonna be claiming as such

well yea, but if there’s a hostile 3P with an anticlaim mech they could also have a flavor/role cop ability

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm**

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

shocking betrayal

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm**

well now ted is just in the lead lol

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:51 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm well now ted is just in the lead lol

oh well

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:52 pm**

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:54 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am @Michelle do you think that it's alignment-indicative to have fewer posts than the more prolific posters? Why? I feel like I could take a usual player list on the Syndicate and match them up with a list of their post totals pretty accurately, and that it would be that way regardless of alignment.
I said fewer posts than me, and I know I didn't post.

Oh ok, are you going to answer my questions or...?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:10 pm @Sloonei
Why would a mafia just pat someone on the head for being right though? I obviously don’t trust his motivation on this.

Even if tsp isn’t Marmot’s teammate, I just don’t see any of their posts as townie. Maybe it’s tunnel vision, but that’s why I’ve voted tsp both days.

I’ll post this here for you as it’s some of my thoughts on al

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:46 pmLC is a vibes thing. I can’t really pinpoint much there. It’s definitely not my strongest suspicion and it’s not the most developed right now. I’ve been focused elsewhere, but every interaction I have had with him hasn’t matched the ones I had with him lately when he was town. The others are more suspicious so I don’t plan on voting there now anyways so feel I have more time to think on this one.
Can you give an example of some posts from a different game that do "match"? Doesn't have to be mine - someone you townread makes sense I guess. This sounds like something you're making up and probably hoping for no follow-up questions.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm [VOTE: lc] aubergine

shocking betrayal
That is a shocking betrayal. I was looking forward to singing for you too.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:55 pm**

Poop. Here it is formatted the way I intended:

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am @Michelle do you think that it's alignment-indicative to have fewer posts than the more prolific posters? Why? I feel like I could take a usual player list on the Syndicate and match them up with a list of their post totals pretty accurately, and that it would be that way regardless of alignment.
I said fewer posts than me, and I know I didn't post.

Oh ok, are you going to answer my questions or...?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:10 pmLC is a vibes thing. I can’t really pinpoint much there. It’s definitely not my strongest suspicion and it’s not the most developed right now. I’ve been focused elsewhere, but every interaction I have had with him hasn’t matched the ones I had with him lately when he was town. The others are more suspicious so I don’t plan on voting there now anyways so feel I have more time to think on this one.

Can you give an example of some posts from a different game that do "match"? Doesn't have to be mine - someone you townread makes sense I guess. This sounds like something you're making up and probably hoping for no follow-up questions.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm [VOTE: lc] aubergine

shocking betrayal

That is a shocking betrayal. I was looking forward to singing for you too.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:57 pm**

Yeah, you guys are going to need one or two of Justplayingitcool, Strawhenge, AL_sama, TonyStarkPrime, BoKnows, or KZA to get off ted and on to me if you want this plane to fly.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:58 pm**

lc has claimed he targeted alison N1 and was roleblocked. but the only way he’d know he was roleblocked is if he’s an investigative role or a killing role. what villager targets alison with an investigative or killing action N1? iirc lc was suspicious of alison but like... really?

on the other hand, why openly claim he targeted alison and was roleblocked as a wolf? he could just... not do that

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:58 pm**

that's such a weird list of names

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:58 pm**

yes i know what it is

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:59 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:58 pm yes i know what it is

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