Mafia Misplay Mafia

[Lilypetal]

Santy do you have a "skill issue" tell? Do you just say that repeatedly as a wolf?

[santygrass]

EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

[Lilypetal]

Its so funny because you oozed towniness in spiritfarer while shielding numerous wolves. Your incorrect reads were why you were so easy to find town. I feel like there's still something so so wrong when comparing to this game and that's why I vibe with neon's ISO reading so much. You can say I have a skill issue for doubting you and that's okay but the way you carry yourself is just different and feels less organic

[santygrass]

Santy do you have a "skill issue" tell? Do you just say that repeatedly as a wolf?

Nah, I like the word so I'd say its NAI

[Lilypetal]

Santy do you have a "skill issue" tell? Do you just say that repeatedly as a wolf?

Nah, I like the word so I'd say its NAI

Why do you say it so much more this game? You use it in a defensive way almost.

[santygrass]

Its so funny because you oozed towniness in spiritfarer while shielding numerous wolves. Your incorrect reads were why you were so easy to find town. I feel like there's still something so so wrong when comparing to this game and that's why I vibe with neon's ISO reading so much. You can say I have a skill issue for doubting you and that's okay but the way you carry yourself is just different and feels less organic

What read doesnt feel organic to you?

[Lilypetal]

Its not your reads it's like how you interact with ppl like your responses to neon and stuff from other days that I've forgotten. It's just odd

[Lilypetal]

I need to do more reading of your jso in this game though and figure out how I feel

[Lilypetal]

Iso*

[santygrass]

Santy do you have a "skill issue" tell? Do you just say that repeatedly as a wolf?

Nah, I like the word so I'd say its NAI

Why do you say it so much more this game? You use it in a defensive way almost.

I use it to shade when I dont like some arguments yeah. And maybe to meme stuff.
If its more seen here its cuz Sabi has been on my ass since D1 for stuff that was easy fro me to trigger it .

Like, when I see someone that says my opener is the same as sf1 (which isnt true) or that I was a wolf that didnt do anything in mash (More the opposite of it) , Skill Issue is my natural reply.

Now Neon making a case using as a point that I am having correct townreads, wowee

[santygrass]

Its not your reads it's like how you interact with ppl like your responses to neon and stuff from other days that I've forgotten. It's just odd

Now, in D2 Achro and others said that my replies were to appeasing or smth to people, and now you rereading stuff are saying other opposite oppinion.

Can you see why I see the stuff you are sussing me for as something with so low value and resort to Skill Issue?
I feel like I already put effort in D2 and made a good effort, but then it felt like such a wasted effort looking at threadstate so Im like, why bother wowee

[Lilypetal]

Her point was valid. In her eyes your correct reads were unearned uses of TMI. I think actually engaging with her about it would've been a lot better

[Lilypetal]

Its not your reads it's like how you interact with ppl like your responses to neon and stuff from other days that I've forgotten. It's just odd

Now, in D2 Achro and others said that my replies were to appeasing or smth to people, and now you rereading stuff are saying other opposite oppinion.

Can you see why I see the stuff you are sussing me for as something with so low value and resort to Skill Issue?
I feel like I already put effort in D2 and made a good effort, but then it felt like such a wasted effort looking at threadstate so Im like, why bother wowee

I'm not sussing you I'm talking about differences in your gameplay from the last town game we played together

[Lilypetal]

If you're town being defensive like this isn't good tbh

[Lilypetal]

I just wanna talk and throw stuff out there I'm not married to any reading

[Lilypetal]

And achro's point you highlight is part of the inorganic interactions I mean.

[Lilypetal]

You want your day 2 to clear you. You want your actions to make you obv town to the whole thread. That's just not the game we are playing rn and you have to understand that there will be doubt in each slot and we have to continue forging ahead and reassessing eachother, finding eachother every day. It's a process and my or anyone else's doubts isn't a "skill issue"

[santygrass]

We all have Skill Issue tbhtbh

[Lilypetal]

Alright

[Lilypetal]

Sorry for the rand

[santygrass]

Her point was valid. In her eyes your correct reads were unearned uses of TMI. I think actually engaging with her about it would've been a lot better

They said I didnt explained them . I did. That was not a fair assesment of what I did

[santygrass]

And achro's point you highlight is part of the inorganic interactions I mean.

Its literally me trying to figure out people and get on the same wavelenght to try to solve them. Ofc thats a thing I domt have the energy to do now wowee

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Her point was valid. In her eyes your correct reads were unearned uses of TMI. I think actually engaging with her about it would've been a lot better

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Her point was valid. In her eyes your correct reads were unearned uses of TMI. I think actually engaging with her about it would've been a lot better

They said I didnt explained them . I did. That was not a fair assesment of what I did

I like how you keep saying this. When what I actually said was that you didn't have valid reasons to have reads that accurate and I don't know how you determined towniness from what you are claiming you read towniness into. It doesn't make sense.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If you are Town you are the most cracked town I've ever seen and I'll apologize after the game but holy shit how am I supposed to find you.

You ignore most of my points to hard focus one call it a skill issue repeatedly and try to convince everyone that I'm an idiot who can't read the game because I don't read towniness into one singular thing you keep insisting makes you auto confirmed town.

[Lilypetal]

neon scaled into late game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

neon scaled into late game

I'm a Gwen main that is my MO

[Sabiplz]

Neon like this is making me hot and bothered

I'm fanning myself

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Neon like this is making me hot and bothered

I'm fanning myself

I can't wait to find out I'm wrong and that I'm being pocketed by the actual woofs ecksdeeeee

pls no I need a win

[Lilypetal]

neon scaled into late game

I'm a Gwen main that is my MO

god ur so based

[Lilypetal]

if u do think im a wolf then we can talk it through and come to an understanding though

[Lilypetal]

although as a wolf if santy is V idk why i wouldn't just pocket him

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

if u do think im a wolf then we can talk it through and come to an understanding though

Like I said earlier I'm willing to listen I'm less convinced on you than I am on santy.

although as a wolf if santy is V idk why i wouldn't just pocket him

So you can say this

[santygrass]

@Neon my reads early are explained for the reasons I already stated, and still think that using it to sus me and ignore me being towny is bonkers and prob my reply today makes it worse but I dont care that much, as town I usually care much about solving and not looking towny, appeasing to others and say 'I am towny for this uwu tr me' its not my playstyle.


So, what do you think it would be the most +ev ? You casing the points you think I ignored that bothers you, or me trying to solve slots like ris and stuff and the rest of you compromising to sheep my reads since they are so accurate and godly? Owo. Still going to ISO ris regardless tho cuz I feel confident in how I read them /shrug

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hk/Mac/Esooa has always a Wolf fmpov rn . Dont know if more than one tho so idk how good is it

i dont really think mac this morning (at the start when he was just posting by himself in thread) was necessarily towny btw, cuz i felt like he was just asking questions and not really... solving

it seemed performative and to get out of the slot as "top wagon" and show he is "town mac with wim" more than anything

but then i got hesitant on this bcuz his later reads were more town mac

still uneasy on him tho. some things dont really make sense. such as santy read and stuff.

This. I vibe so hard with ris ffs.

Like, yeah Mac upped uo his Wim but my main pet peeve is that I dont see his worldview... Making sense to him? Like assuming hk is mafia and then putting Esooa at lea Wolf? And me in the same tier as Jack? Like wtf is happening there.

Also pushes like Sabi and ris which are slots that I have in towny tiers doesnt help me to see them in better light

This is the very first time that Santy says Mac might be potentially a woof. It comes at 9:17 and 9:20 am day 2.

The sudden shift happens almost out of nowhere which I will prove. Also he shades Mac for reading HK Esooa woof? But that's the exact agenda he proceeds to push after Mac died.

Also for pushing Sabi... whom he's been shading forever.

And Riis which makes sense because if Santy is woof Santy has been hard pocketing Riis since day 1 and I have receipts.

Town: Lily, nanook, riisinq,Porscha
Achro, Sabi, hollowkatt, MacDougall

Sussy: Esooa, Neon, Jack

Rn Im not going to look for a prev list. But Tbh I expect to be wrong in 1 tr for sure, but thinking in probs finding who after I got a wolf flipped. I am reassessing tho, cuz My read on Essooa EoD was kinda bad, but rereading there I cant get over just the contrast difference in how they read ris and neon ig.
And maybe the analysis is wrong and maybe mac is right and hk is a hit. Or Mac is a hit. Idk. Feeling comfy voting for neon rn

Gnn

At midnight before going to bed Santy is still expressing a hard town read on Mac. Not a lean. A hard town read.

Also @Neon what pinged you as towny from Mac when you made the fite me post?

Updated reads:

Town:

Wilgz
Porscha
Neon
Snowy
Esooa

Scum:
Lily
Jack
Mac
Achro
Santy

Null:
Nook
HK

@ me for any questions

@Sabiplz Elaboration in Nac/Achro/Lily/Esooa ?
What do you think of Nanook push on Hk?

I will try to make a towncase for Lily fwiw. From what you say of Mac you should have him as Null an dont Scum I feel like?
Also gotcha with reads regarding oast experiences with achro/Esooa . Prob not shouldnt take into account past games, but it would be a misplay not taking them into account and at least being concious of the motivations of the read there is good.

Do you agree with Esooa reads on Neon sabi? They've been townreading Neon since D1

These are the only mentions of Mac between the hard town read and the sudden shift into a scum read after Riis expressed continuous doubt on Mac and Mac was pretty heavily being scrutinized.

All of these are hedgy. All of them softly defend Mac. All of them shade me.



I'm meant to find this towny?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

does the day end in an hour?

oh that soon wtf I'm playing runescape

I can't pause it's an online game

This is the Esooa Busy thing. Unfortunate but I can understnd being a factor in how thei reads play out EoD

guys can i get a recap of both of the cases on both of these wagons

ty

My ender suspicion is that I haven't been able to find him as town today while for a lot of others it has been really easy. Some of his posts feel manufactured and in general his reactions to things don't enthuse me at any point. Kind of a 'either you see it or don't' case.

In HK's case I found a lot of his work sounded like he would believe it and he has come to some reasonable conclusions that I follow.

tbh I don't really see what Achro thinks is towny from HK there and it's weird you're defending someone so strongly while saying you're bad at reading them contantly

tbh I don't really see what Achro thinks is towny from HK there and it's weird you're defending someone so strongly while saying you're bad at reading them contantly

Well, two things.

You don't know me or you wouldn't think this is a strong defense from me. I am going to push my scum read over a town read, because duh.

Secondly just because I am bad at reading someone doesn't mean I won't try, but it will inform me on how hard I defend them.

You're that strong on a scum read when it's "this person who said they're not as invested this game hasn't shown me they're town on day 1" ?

Like wolf read him but idk, you're definitely doing a lot to push Ender over HK and saying you town read HK and etc

This lashback at Achro looks nice, yeab

everyone should turn on their online status.

it is a symbol of towniness

it should literally be off by default and impossible to turn on

Unrelated topic whatev

Neon is probably town because of paranoia on me pr something

Neon is probably town because of paranoia on me pr something

yeah those posts were good

Flowers to Neon. Still irky there.

Ender literally plays like this in the past 5 games I've seen him play town in

he can still be a wolf but idk how anyone sees his posts as actively wolfy lol except micro stuff

Thinking emoji. Will keep in mind that Pov I guess

I just got a fire cape in runescape

This one is prob what triggered me to make my read plus not feeling Esooa involved much , fwiw

Esooa EoD also sussy btw

wow extremely original post about the busy person who thought EoD was 2 hours later than it was isn't contributing much

I'm not really interested in engagin with HK being obnoxious af, he should just be dying, I said my reads

And like, totally understandable as V not caring anymore when a wagon or push turns like that. So wowee Achro prob right that my reads doesnt holds up much huh

santy's other posts are towny though

I said multiple times ender fucks about and does nothing as town constantly and killing him is super whatever and no one listened so guess what we have a really useless kill day 1

Prob towny here Yeah

actually Santy's posts this EoD aren't towny they're rly bad

And this switch feels like almost a towny flip flop maybe. But probs want to see more insight from @Esooa at that moment to check things uo maybe

sabi
porscha
lily
outed wolf
achro
neon
mac
drwilgy
santy
hk
jack
esooa
ender
nook


hmmmmm

That Nook read is like, amazingly wrong imo. Read their push on hk when you git the chance, I thought it was pretty towny

"those 2 things nanook said mean ur wolf read is amazing wrong, but esooa is a wolf too btw" wtf game are u playing lol

This post I remeber thinking 'Could see a wolfy doing it'. So wowee

I'm not voting santy and I wasn't defending Ender that much because I also think w/v wagons are likely because of how votes played out, and he's not done much so like if he dies he dies, I still think he's town though, but everyones pushing into one of the two and wolves are more likely to have some off wagon votes if v/v but here there's none, and like wtf am I even supposed to defend Ender with he's not really done anything

Pron towny yeah, the hunt for hk is there. Tho the neon/ris difference raises consideration to me.
Prob tomorrow goin relook at Neom, parking my vote there in the meantime. My eyes are closing on its own so there are more typos than usual. Also wowee caring about the formatting of this post glgl

@Sabiplz

So then why are you pushing her now based off her eod if you yourself said it was probably towny.

The bolded at the end. Esooa push was originally cuz how they tried to negate the ris townread in D1 and it still holds, and seeing how they townread Neon for what I consider less pings me /shrug.

Tho I know that they are unpaired with Hk. So thats why I habe my read of {Hk/Esooa/Mac} Having 1 wolf for sure, but not so sure if more than one

This also exists. Not only does Santy overtly state that I am hard unpaired with HK but Santy also says that this PoE contains at least one wolf and maybe only exactly one wolf.

Yet Mac flipped the read has never been revisited Santy continues to hard push HK and Esooa especially and randomly also decides that me and HK can just be a team now too.

Remember when you said Macs worldview makes no sense? I'm feeling the same thing on you.

[Lilypetal]

if u do think im a wolf then we can talk it through and come to an understanding though

Like I said earlier I'm willing to listen I'm less convinced on you than I am on santy.

although as a wolf if santy is V idk why i wouldn't just pocket him

So you can say this

Does this ever work in that case? Do the opposite of the correct play so you can say you're not a wolf?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

does the day end in an hour?

oh that soon wtf I'm playing runescape

I can't pause it's an online game

This is the Esooa Busy thing. Unfortunate but I can understnd being a factor in how thei reads play out EoD

guys can i get a recap of both of the cases on both of these wagons

ty

My ender suspicion is that I haven't been able to find him as town today while for a lot of others it has been really easy. Some of his posts feel manufactured and in general his reactions to things don't enthuse me at any point. Kind of a 'either you see it or don't' case.

In HK's case I found a lot of his work sounded like he would believe it and he has come to some reasonable conclusions that I follow.

tbh I don't really see what Achro thinks is towny from HK there and it's weird you're defending someone so strongly while saying you're bad at reading them contantly

Well, two things.

You don't know me or you wouldn't think this is a strong defense from me. I am going to push my scum read over a town read, because duh.

Secondly just because I am bad at reading someone doesn't mean I won't try, but it will inform me on how hard I defend them.

You're that strong on a scum read when it's "this person who said they're not as invested this game hasn't shown me they're town on day 1" ?

Like wolf read him but idk, you're definitely doing a lot to push Ender over HK and saying you town read HK and etc

This lashback at Achro looks nice, yeab

everyone should turn on their online status.

it is a symbol of towniness

it should literally be off by default and impossible to turn on

Unrelated topic whatev

Neon is probably town because of paranoia on me pr something

Neon is probably town because of paranoia on me pr something

yeah those posts were good

Flowers to Neon. Still irky there.

Ender literally plays like this in the past 5 games I've seen him play town in

he can still be a wolf but idk how anyone sees his posts as actively wolfy lol except micro stuff

Thinking emoji. Will keep in mind that Pov I guess

I just got a fire cape in runescape

This one is prob what triggered me to make my read plus not feeling Esooa involved much , fwiw

Esooa EoD also sussy btw

wow extremely original post about the busy person who thought EoD was 2 hours later than it was isn't contributing much

I'm not really interested in engagin with HK being obnoxious af, he should just be dying, I said my reads

And like, totally understandable as V not caring anymore when a wagon or push turns like that. So wowee Achro prob right that my reads doesnt holds up much huh

santy's other posts are towny though

I said multiple times ender fucks about and does nothing as town constantly and killing him is super whatever and no one listened so guess what we have a really useless kill day 1

Prob towny here Yeah

actually Santy's posts this EoD aren't towny they're rly bad

And this switch feels like almost a towny flip flop maybe. But probs want to see more insight from @Esooa at that moment to check things uo maybe

That Nook read is like, amazingly wrong imo. Read their push on hk when you git the chance, I thought it was pretty towny

"those 2 things nanook said mean ur wolf read is amazing wrong, but esooa is a wolf too btw" wtf game are u playing lol

This post I remeber thinking 'Could see a wolfy doing it'. So wowee

I'm not voting santy and I wasn't defending Ender that much because I also think w/v wagons are likely because of how votes played out, and he's not done much so like if he dies he dies, I still think he's town though, but everyones pushing into one of the two and wolves are more likely to have some off wagon votes if v/v but here there's none, and like wtf am I even supposed to defend Ender with he's not really done anything

Pron towny yeah, the hunt for hk is there. Tho the neon/ris difference raises consideration to me.
Prob tomorrow goin relook at Neom, parking my vote there in the meantime. My eyes are closing on its own so there are more typos than usual. Also wowee caring about the formatting of this post glgl

@Sabiplz

So then why are you pushing her now based off her eod if you yourself said it was probably towny.

The bolded at the end. Esooa push was originally cuz how they tried to negate the ris townread in D1 and it still holds, and seeing how they townread Neon for what I consider less pings me /shrug.

Tho I know that they are unpaired with Hk. So thats why I habe my read of {Hk/Esooa/Mac} Having 1 wolf for sure, but not so sure if more than one

This also exists. Not only does Santy overtly state that I am hard unpaired with HK but Santy also says that this PoE contains at least one wolf and maybe only exactly one wolf.

Yet Mac flipped the read has never been revisited Santy continues to hard push HK and Esooa especially and randomly also decides that me and HK can just be a team now too.

Remember when you said Macs worldview makes no sense? I'm feeling the same thing on you.

Actually might be saying Esooa is hard unpaired either way. World view makes no sense.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

if u do think im a wolf then we can talk it through and come to an understanding though

Like I said earlier I'm willing to listen I'm less convinced on you than I am on santy.

although as a wolf if santy is V idk why i wouldn't just pocket him

So you can say this

Does this ever work in that case? Do the opposite of the correct play so you can say you're not a wolf?

Depends. I've seen it work lol. It's why I take it lightly when people tell me they wouldn't do a thing cause it makes no sense. I listen and consider it but take their word lightly.

[santygrass]

Quick statement since I havent read all your posts. I sad that Esooa was hard unpaired with hk.

My unpaired read of you was with Jack

[Lilypetal]

if u do think im a wolf then we can talk it through and come to an understanding though

Like I said earlier I'm willing to listen I'm less convinced on you than I am on santy.

although as a wolf if santy is V idk why i wouldn't just pocket him

So you can say this

Does this ever work in that case? Do the opposite of the correct play so you can say you're not a wolf?

Depends. I've seen it work lol. It's why I take it lightly when people tell me they wouldn't do a thing cause it makes no sense. I listen and consider it but take their word lightly.

thats fair

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

sorry for inactivity this game lol

Dont worry I am carrying. I feel fairly confident in Mac being wolf.

If Im wrong welp Im carrying town to a loss, but if Im right we are prolly going to win and that feels more epic. #Believe

This is a fairly confident post for someone who started the day townreading me.

Such is the power of ~Reassessing~

Lol.

[santygrass]

Also, after Mac flipped I think I didnt hardpush Esooa? I only pushed somewhat Esooa when I said that I thoight ris was townier than them .

Hk EoD looked super paired with Mac so yeah thats why I had them in PoE still

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Quick statement since I havent read all your posts. I sad that Esooa was hard unpaired with hk.

My unpaired read of you was with Jack

Kk.

[santygrass]

Yes, I started with a Townread on Mac in D2, and I got suoer weirded out when they put me in the same tier as Jack in their solve and didnt see that making sense.

Where is my pushing Esooa agenda after Mac died that you mention again and again? I dont feel like I've done that tbh

[santygrass]

I think what changed my read was when they made the readlist with Hk as sure mafia and like, Esooa still a wolflean, and me in the same tier as jack because 'maybe equity with ris'. And that solve didnt add up.

I think it should be seen in My ISO and idk if you didnt reach there or you omitted it tbh?

[santygrass]

And again, if you feel that there is something bothering you that I havent replied ping me to it and I will for sure reply to it cuz visibility and Im doing other stuff.

Real Life Issue

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Last thing I care to point out is that throughout day 2 Achro pretty heavily pushes Santy as woof and even when Santy starts try harding for Mac cred Achro never goes beyond

"I want to believe in Santy"

Than dies.

Jack also pushes into a Santy woof read d2 than dies.

Outed Wolfs very last post mentioning Santy was trying to wagon Santy. Than they died.

I am one who never really trusts coincidence.

Nanook and Mac are the only people who died this game who were not pushing Santy. I've exclaimed my belief that Mac was a bus. Nanook in a scum Santy world could be done for multiple reasons. Nanook was pushing Santys pocket. Or more probably Nanook dying gave Santy the ammo to attack HK today and try to power wolf an HK exe which honestly was working until I existed.

[santygrass]

Is Jack dying relevant when they were lynched, and without even my vote being necessary there ? (My vote was on Hk at the end wowee)

[santygrass]

Also, you say that everyone was sussing me, and then that also Mac was a bus.
Wouldn't it be more logical to think that if Me/Mac was W/W I would be the slot to bus?
And that Achro was seeing the town in me at the end? Idk thats how I felt it