Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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No. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.
Did you find him in The Killer Inside Me? I could only find one post where you used either the word "guillo" or "guillotine", so idk if you had caught him as scum there.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:59 pmI have, it was an easy read, he's fairly polarizedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:31 pm I would kind of like to reiterate my question to the thread though:
Who has seen Guillo wolf as an unspoiled participant (preferably in a game where you were town, so not just in a GY watching, but whatever)?
If you haven't seen Guillo wolf, what reasons, aside from posting style, are there to townread Guillo? I'm starting to feel more confident in wolf!Guillo, but I want hear dissenting opinions to make sure I don't just tunnel.
If you have seen Guillo wolf, what reasons are there to townread Guillo?
If you are town you should only want me to shoot mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pmNo. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.
This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.
If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.
Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.
@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.
I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.
Its generally better for only one mason to claim so its easier for protectives to predict nks/nks are forcedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm So I've been thinking about Guillo's mason claim... I personally think he is full of it, and I am really starting to think Guillo is just a wolf, but...
Abstract away from the game, is there a strong reason for a mason to not come forward if their partner does as well? I've never seen a single mason claim before (unless their partner dies, but that is a different story), and I think in general it is subobptimal to not have the whole masonry claim at once since it just invites confusion, doubt, and tinfoil.
If there isn't a strong reason for a second mason to not claim, I think we should push Guillo. Worst case scenerio, it causes the other mason to claim (which again I think is just the optimal play, but want to hear from others), best case scenerio, Guillo is just a scrambling wolf and we can lunch him.
That's a good point, I hadn't thought about that.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:08 pmIts generally better for only one mason to claim so its easier for protectives to predict nks/nks are forcedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm So I've been thinking about Guillo's mason claim... I personally think he is full of it, and I am really starting to think Guillo is just a wolf, but...
Abstract away from the game, is there a strong reason for a mason to not come forward if their partner does as well? I've never seen a single mason claim before (unless their partner dies, but that is a different story), and I think in general it is subobptimal to not have the whole masonry claim at once since it just invites confusion, doubt, and tinfoil.
If there isn't a strong reason for a second mason to not claim, I think we should push Guillo. Worst case scenerio, it causes the other mason to claim (which again I think is just the optimal play, but want to hear from others), best case scenerio, Guillo is just a scrambling wolf and we can lunch him.
Idk is that the game my reads were good or v bad? I caught him in like two seconds last time we were town/mafia on syndicate, idr what game it wasSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:06 pmDid you find him in The Killer Inside Me? I could only find one post where you used either the word "guillo" or "guillotine", so idk if you had caught him as scum there.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:59 pmI have, it was an easy read, he's fairly polarizedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:31 pm I would kind of like to reiterate my question to the thread though:
Who has seen Guillo wolf as an unspoiled participant (preferably in a game where you were town, so not just in a GY watching, but whatever)?
If you haven't seen Guillo wolf, what reasons, aside from posting style, are there to townread Guillo? I'm starting to feel more confident in wolf!Guillo, but I want hear dissenting opinions to make sure I don't just tunnel.
If you have seen Guillo wolf, what reasons are there to townread Guillo?
Uhh, that wasn't me, it was someone else.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pmNo. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.
This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.
If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.
Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.
@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.
I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.
Dude if im telling that you can shoot me, it's because i know you will clear me! I know you will die, but if you scum read me anyway for not having tne same mindset about how i approach games and you disbelieve my claim, if i am a mafia suspect, i should be the perfect shot in your eyes. You can't both scum read me and not want to shoot me because you might die, it does not track!Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:07 pmIf you are town you should only want me to shoot mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pmNo. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.
This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.
If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.
Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.
@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.
I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.
I don't remember? We got swept though.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:09 pmIdk is that the game my reads were good or v bad? I caught him in like two seconds last time we were town/mafia on syndicate, idr what game it wasSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:06 pmDid you find him in The Killer Inside Me? I could only find one post where you used either the word "guillo" or "guillotine", so idk if you had caught him as scum there.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:59 pmI have, it was an easy read, he's fairly polarizedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:31 pm I would kind of like to reiterate my question to the thread though:
Who has seen Guillo wolf as an unspoiled participant (preferably in a game where you were town, so not just in a GY watching, but whatever)?
If you haven't seen Guillo wolf, what reasons, aside from posting style, are there to townread Guillo? I'm starting to feel more confident in wolf!Guillo, but I want hear dissenting opinions to make sure I don't just tunnel.
If you have seen Guillo wolf, what reasons are there to townread Guillo?
Guillo's play is starting to come across more like erratic and even a bit desperate, as opposed to happily impulsive. He seems to have gotten tangled in his own web of confusion and he's trying to rip it apart, but it's not working.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm So I've been thinking about Guillo's mason claim... I personally think he is full of it, and I am really starting to think Guillo is just a wolf, but...
Abstract away from the game, is there a strong reason for a mason to not come forward if their partner does as well? I've never seen a single mason claim before (unless their partner dies, but that is a different story), and I think in general it is subobptimal to not have the whole masonry claim at once since it just invites confusion, doubt, and tinfoil.
If there isn't a strong reason for a second mason to not claim, I think we should push Guillo. Worst case scenerio, it causes the other mason to claim (which again I think is just the optimal play, but want to hear from others), best case scenerio, Guillo is just a scrambling wolf and we can lunch him.
For guillo? Idk he just usually obviously cares a good deal more as town imeSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:12 pmI don't remember? We got swept though.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:09 pmIdk is that the game my reads were good or v bad? I caught him in like two seconds last time we were town/mafia on syndicate, idr what game it wasSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:06 pmDid you find him in The Killer Inside Me? I could only find one post where you used either the word "guillo" or "guillotine", so idk if you had caught him as scum there.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:59 pmI have, it was an easy read, he's fairly polarizedSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:31 pm I would kind of like to reiterate my question to the thread though:
Who has seen Guillo wolf as an unspoiled participant (preferably in a game where you were town, so not just in a GY watching, but whatever)?
If you haven't seen Guillo wolf, what reasons, aside from posting style, are there to townread Guillo? I'm starting to feel more confident in wolf!Guillo, but I want hear dissenting opinions to make sure I don't just tunnel.
If you have seen Guillo wolf, what reasons are there to townread Guillo?
What do you look for?
I'mma put the likelyhood that Guillo is mason at <1%. I stand by my earlier statement though that OC makes more sense as they are in the collective PoE, not just mine.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:12 pm Shooting mason claim is a waste of a shot
I did not say that i suspect you. But my read on you is 100% irrelevant to my point.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:12 pmDude if im telling that you can shoot me, it's because i know you will clear me! I know you will die, but if you scum read me anyway for not having tne same mindset about how i approach games and you disbelieve my claim, if i am a mafia suspect, i should be the perfect shot in your eyes. You can't both scum read me and not want to shoot me because you might die, it does not track!Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:07 pmIf you are town you should only want me to shoot mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pmNo. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.
This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.
If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.
Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.
@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.
I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.
I might save it for tomorrow morning/afternoon cuz im tired. But I will not be holding onto my gun past 2 PM tomorrow afternoon at the absolute latest.
1. What time zone? Twilight is 2:30 pm for me, so I'm hoping you are to the east.
EST. 2 hours is the minimum amount of time I want to leave for post-flip analysis. I will most likely fire earlier than that.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:21 pm1. What time zone? Twilight is 2:30 pm for me, so I'm hoping you are to the east.
2. I don't mean to rush you, but can you do it sooner? It'd be nice to have time to evaluate things after a dayflip.
I don't care about this.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:25 pm Shooting tonight is wildly pro town
The longer you hold it the more I doubt you actually have it/are town
I haven't been counting, but I feel like a lot more people have given their preferences.
Who are the people you have preferences for? We should maybe try to compile it in a list.
Yes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If I am being honest with myself, it is currently between OC and Made for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:49 pmYes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If you tell me who you have, I can try to help compile a list of shot targets from everyone.
At this point though, I think OC is probably the most consensus target, but I'd have to look and do a bunch of work to be sure.
The only thing that has happened is that he hasn't been in thread at all since, with the exception of one post he just made a few minutes, and I immediately asked him to respond to the point you're referencing. No one has commented on him or the points I made, so it has just been kind of waiting for him. I don't think he is a name that has been thrown out much for a shot target by others, but I am still very wary of him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 pmIf I am being honest with myself, it is currently between OC and Made for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:49 pmYes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If you tell me who you have, I can try to help compile a list of shot targets from everyone.
At this point though, I think OC is probably the most consensus target, but I'd have to look and do a bunch of work to be sure.
You made a point about allcrab last night that resonated with me, but it doesn't currently look like you are pushing hard on him so I am assuming something has happened to make you feel better about him.
The four folks whose preferences I've registered were you, jay, martin, and guillo.
interesting. I suppose I'm at least partially waiting on his response to that as well then.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:57 pmThe only thing that has happened is that he hasn't been in thread at all since, with the exception of one post he just made a few minutes, and I immediately asked him to respond to the point you're referencing. No one has commented on him or the points I made, so it has just been kind of waiting for him. I don't think he is a name that has been thrown out much for a shot target by others, but I am still very wary of him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 pmIf I am being honest with myself, it is currently between OC and Made for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:49 pmYes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If you tell me who you have, I can try to help compile a list of shot targets from everyone.
At this point though, I think OC is probably the most consensus target, but I'd have to look and do a bunch of work to be sure.
You made a point about allcrab last night that resonated with me, but it doesn't currently look like you are pushing hard on him so I am assuming something has happened to make you feel better about him.
The four folks whose preferences I've registered were you, jay, martin, and guillo.
I told an untruth. I just checked his ISO and he has popped in a few other times since, but he hasn't responded to the points I made against him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:59 pminteresting. I suppose I'm at least partially waiting on his response to that as well then.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:57 pmThe only thing that has happened is that he hasn't been in thread at all since, with the exception of one post he just made a few minutes, and I immediately asked him to respond to the point you're referencing. No one has commented on him or the points I made, so it has just been kind of waiting for him. I don't think he is a name that has been thrown out much for a shot target by others, but I am still very wary of him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 pmIf I am being honest with myself, it is currently between OC and Made for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:49 pmYes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If you tell me who you have, I can try to help compile a list of shot targets from everyone.
At this point though, I think OC is probably the most consensus target, but I'd have to look and do a bunch of work to be sure.
You made a point about allcrab last night that resonated with me, but it doesn't currently look like you are pushing hard on him so I am assuming something has happened to make you feel better about him.
The four folks whose preferences I've registered were you, jay, martin, and guillo.
@Allcrab wuts upSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:03 pmI told an untruth. I just checked his ISO and he has popped in a few other times since, but he hasn't responded to the points I made against him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:59 pminteresting. I suppose I'm at least partially waiting on his response to that as well then.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:57 pmThe only thing that has happened is that he hasn't been in thread at all since, with the exception of one post he just made a few minutes, and I immediately asked him to respond to the point you're referencing. No one has commented on him or the points I made, so it has just been kind of waiting for him. I don't think he is a name that has been thrown out much for a shot target by others, but I am still very wary of him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:51 pmIf I am being honest with myself, it is currently between OC and Made for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:49 pmYes, I can guess a lot of people didn't @ you.
If you tell me who you have, I can try to help compile a list of shot targets from everyone.
At this point though, I think OC is probably the most consensus target, but I'd have to look and do a bunch of work to be sure.
You made a point about allcrab last night that resonated with me, but it doesn't currently look like you are pushing hard on him so I am assuming something has happened to make you feel better about him.
The four folks whose preferences I've registered were you, jay, martin, and guillo.
I am nowhere near confident enough on Gnome one way or the other to seriously consider her as my target.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:10 pm I would prefer a non-Gnome shot for unstated ~mechanical reasons~