The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, I misunderstood.

Regardless. I won't be lynched today, because...

God commands otherwise!

Also
YOU HAVE ONLY ONE VOTE

Stop shouting, I can hear you just fine.

But that is an unfortunate circumstance. I wish I could gather more votes. I think the case on me being bad is pretty strong, you see...

Assuming MM is what people think, if he were to get BTSC with L, do you think he'd be allowed to out Light to him? Or whoever else he knows is bad? Would that be in his favour?

I would ask that no one else vote for FZ unless they are absolutely convinced of her guilt. Better places to put your vote would be on Bass, or even myself. MM gave me a great idea. I would love to be lynched today and have my role revealed, so that I could gain BTSC with L. I have much I would like to discuss with him. There is much he needs to know.

linki: No FZ, that would not be in his favor. I doubt MM can win with the detectives. He most likely just has extra win conditions to fulfill in addition to a Kira victory. He will never help us.

Turnip Head wrote:I would ask that no one else vote for FZ unless they are absolutely convinced of her guilt. Better places to put your vote would be on Bass, or even myself. MM gave me a great idea. I would love to be lynched today and have my role revealed, so that I could gain BTSC with L. I have much I would like to discuss with him. There is much he needs to know.

linki: No FZ, that would not be in his favor. I doubt MM can win with the detectives. He most likely just has extra win conditions to fulfill in addition to a Kira victory. He will never help us.

Hey, quit stealing my ideas.

Whether I can win with the detectives or not is debatable. However, I get the feeling the detectives aren't interested in winning with me anyway.

Can you blame them? You are not helping the detectives, why should they want to share victory with you?

Turnip Head wrote:Can you blame them? You are not helping the detectives, why should they want to share victory with you?

Why would I help the detectives? They are not helping me.

Are they helping you? They certainly aren't listening to you.

Would it be helpful if L included in his next message how many times the Death Note(s) have changed hands? Possibly.

Seriously guys, dogpile your votes onto me. An FZ lynch will be a wasted lynch; I am nearly certain she is not Light, so you might as well waste the lynch by voting for me because at least some good will come out of it. My role will be revealed and you'll know I'm not working with the baddies. I could gain BTSC with L and fill him in on a lot of things that have happened. I believe I know who Light's entire team is, but I will need L's help to get rid of them.

I know it's asking a lot, but I'm asking that the detectives trust me.

Turnip Head wrote:Seriously guys, dogpile your votes onto me. An FZ lynch will be a wasted lynch; I am nearly certain she is not Light, so you might as well waste the lynch by voting for me because at least some good will come out of it. My role will be revealed and you'll know I'm not working with the baddies. I could gain BTSC with L and fill him in on a lot of things that have happened. I believe I know who Light's entire team is, but I will need L's help to get rid of them.

I know it's asking a lot, but I'm asking that the detectives trust me.

Ok, sure, I'll ask the obvious.

Why are we supposed to believe you aren't one of 2 baddie shingami, and want votes piled on you because your team wants Light (FZ) to not be at risk of being lynched so you can keep a hold of the kill?

Turnip Head wrote:I would ask that no one else vote for FZ unless they are absolutely convinced of her guilt. Better places to put your vote would be on Bass, or even myself. MM gave me a great idea. I would love to be lynched today and have my role revealed, so that I could gain BTSC with L. I have much I would like to discuss with him. There is much he needs to know.

linki: No FZ, that would not be in his favor. I doubt MM can win with the detectives. He most likely just has extra win conditions to fulfill in addition to a Kira victory. He will never help us.

I would ask that nobody take their advice from a friggin' SHinigami.

TH, why did you vote FZ anyway?

boo wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Seriously guys, dogpile your votes onto me. An FZ lynch will be a wasted lynch; I am nearly certain she is not Light, so you might as well waste the lynch by voting for me because at least some good will come out of it. My role will be revealed and you'll know I'm not working with the baddies. I could gain BTSC with L and fill him in on a lot of things that have happened. I believe I know who Light's entire team is, but I will need L's help to get rid of them.

I know it's asking a lot, but I'm asking that the detectives trust me.

Ok, sure, I'll ask the obvious.

Why are we supposed to believe you aren't one of 2 baddie shingami, and want votes piled on you because your team wants Light (FZ) to not be at risk of being lynched so you can keep a hold of the kill?

Lynch me and find out. If I'm a bad shinigami, you can lynch FZ tomorrow.

Turnip Head wrote:

boo wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Seriously guys, dogpile your votes onto me. An FZ lynch will be a wasted lynch; I am nearly certain she is not Light, so you might as well waste the lynch by voting for me because at least some good will come out of it. My role will be revealed and you'll know I'm not working with the baddies. I could gain BTSC with L and fill him in on a lot of things that have happened. I believe I know who Light's entire team is, but I will need L's help to get rid of them.

I know it's asking a lot, but I'm asking that the detectives trust me.

Ok, sure, I'll ask the obvious.

Why are we supposed to believe you aren't one of 2 baddie shingami, and want votes piled on you because your team wants Light (FZ) to not be at risk of being lynched so you can keep a hold of the kill?

Lynch me and find out. If I'm a bad shinigami, you can lynch FZ tomorrow.

... which leaves the death note in the hands of Light for an extra kill. Why would we want to do that?

I'd rather have L tell me something relevant tomorrow following FZ's lynch fail.

I have to leave and play a show fairly soon, so unfortunately I won't be around to analyze all of the last-minute discussions. After FZ's desperation last lynch period and Mata's (who I know must be bad) vote for her in the current period, I'm a little wary of voting that way. MM and TH wanting to be lynched for BTSC feels wrong on a deep level. Some of Bass's more recent posts, especially the "feel free to vote me, I haven't been keeping up bit," feel fishy, so I'll add my voice to that of DH. *votes Bass*

That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

Assuming Mikami makes it online before the deadline, no one will be lynched.

I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?
MM, why should we trust anything you say?

Man, I agree with MM, people don't want to listen to anyone but themselves.
llama, other than lynching me, do you have anything that is actually productive to say?

Ricochet wrote:I'd rather have L tell me something relevant tomorrow following FZ's lynch fail.

My suggestion was relevant information.

Boomslang wrote:MM and TH wanting to be lynched for BTSC feels wrong on a deep level.

MM wants BTSC with L to waste L's time. I want BTSC with L because I have things I need to tell him.

But I think you did good to vote for Bass, in any case.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Assuming Mikami makes it online before the deadline, no one will be lynched.

Best laid plans of Mice and Shinigami

Turnip Head wrote:That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

I think I already know who you are, and I think you can win with the detectives, and I don't mind trusting you because you've baddie hunted more than most people in this game, so letting you talk to L could benefit us. My only problem is that I don't know your win conditions and I'm not sure if blindly trusting you is not dangerous. Can you honestly say that you would do everything to help the civvies win?


And what does MM mean?

Epignosis wrote:I'm too busy recording music for tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote:I'm too busy recording music for tomorrow.

Can I get my own theme song?

I'm cool with lynching either FZ or Bass. A TH or MM lynch isn't right, that's giving them what they want and I don't trust their motivations given their previous actions.

I'm most convinced FZ is bad and more than anything we need a resolution to it. Bass isn't really helping but that doesn't mean he's bad necessarily.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'd rather have L tell me something relevant tomorrow following FZ's lynch fail.

My suggestion was relevant information.

Yes, of course it'd be helfpul if L would relay such informations to us. But in case Mata is Misa, he didn't exactly say anything about any transfer out loud today.

Also, did MM just try to hint that Mikami is not around at this point? If he's not lying, that would make BR, SD , Zeek or Bass Mikami. Am I missing something?

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

I think I already know who you are, and I think you can win with the detectives, and I don't mind trusting you because you've baddie hunted more than most people in this game, so letting you talk to L could benefit us. My only problem is that I don't know your win conditions and I'm not sure if blindly trusting you is not dangerous. Can you honestly say that you would do everything to help the civvies win?


And what does MM mean?

He wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch. Or he wants us to think he wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm too busy recording music for tomorrow.

Can I get my own theme song?

Maybe a radio jungle for the shop.

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

Believe me, I'm trying the best I can, and I actually do feel like you're doing that too. I also agree that the civvies don't try as hard. Pfft, they're even saying that if I were a detective, I wouldn't try as hard to avoid a lynch. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So, since I do want to listen to you, what do you think is better, voting for you or for Bass? On one hand, I don't think you'll get enough votes. On the other hand, Bass' RL issues make me fear that maybe we'll be lynching him wrongfully, though he really isn't doing anything that could be considered helpful. Still, if he's not bad, we need him even for the numbers. How sold are you on him being bad?
?

FZ. wrote: llama, other than lynching me, do you have anything that is actually productive to say?

Maybe.

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

I think I already know who you are, and I think you can win with the detectives, and I don't mind trusting you because you've baddie hunted more than most people in this game, so letting you talk to L could benefit us. My only problem is that I don't know your win conditions and I'm not sure if blindly trusting you is not dangerous. Can you honestly say that you would do everything to help the civvies win?


And what does MM mean?

He wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch. Or he wants us to think he wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch.

How would that serve his cause?


linki: I would so love to hear it

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

Believe me, I'm trying the best I can, and I actually do feel like you're doing that too. I also agree that the civvies don't try as hard. Pfft, they're even saying that if I were a detective, I wouldn't try as hard to avoid a lynch. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So, since I do want to listen to you, what do you think is better, voting for you or for Bass? On one hand, I don't think you'll get enough votes. On the other hand, Bass' RL issues make me fear that maybe we'll be lynching him wrongfully, though he really isn't doing anything that could be considered helpful. Still, if he's not bad, we need him even for the numbers. How sold are you on him being bad?
?

I'm not 100% convinced about Bass yet. I would really like to hear his response to all the suspicion that has been piling up on him. So if you're not convinced about him being bad yet, vote for me instead.

I really hate how Epi and llama are so tunnel visioned they are not even contributing anything to the discussion. Okay, I get it, you think I'm bad, you want me lynched. Move on, talk about other things as well. Let's pretend it's just in case you die, okay?

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

Believe me, I'm trying the best I can, and I actually do feel like you're doing that too. I also agree that the civvies don't try as hard. Pfft, they're even saying that if I were a detective, I wouldn't try as hard to avoid a lynch. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So, since I do want to listen to you, what do you think is better, voting for you or for Bass? On one hand, I don't think you'll get enough votes. On the other hand, Bass' RL issues make me fear that maybe we'll be lynching him wrongfully, though he really isn't doing anything that could be considered helpful. Still, if he's not bad, we need him even for the numbers. How sold are you on him being bad?
?

I'm not 100% convinced about Bass yet. I would really like to hear his response to all the suspicion that has been piling up on him. So if you're not convinced about him being bad yet, vote for me instead.

But if I'm the only one, it doesn't help. If he's not bad, I'd rather make sure I get lynched and not him.

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:He wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch. Or he wants us to think he wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch.

How would that serve his cause?

Other than it allowing for two nights in a row, it doesn't serve his cause. I think it's a bluff, or an act. I seriously doubt Mikami will kill himself today. I'd love for him to prove me wrong though

linki: No FZ, your vote for me would still help. Trust me. Don't vote for yourself please.

FZ. wrote:I really hate how Epi and llama are so tunnel visioned they are not even contributing anything to the discussion. Okay, I get it, you think I'm bad, you want me lynched. Move on, talk about other things as well. Let's pretend it's just in case you die, okay?

Maybe the things I have to say are largely contingent on how this lynch turns out. Or maybe you just want us to discuss other people to minimize your own chance of getting lynched. I'm happy to put a pin in this discussion until we see how you flip.

I'm still baffled as to why people are listening to the two known death gods.

thellama73 wrote:I'm still baffled as to why people are listening to the two known death gods.

I'm still baffled by your complete ignorance of the situation.

And nobody is listening to MM. Barely anyone is listening to me, either. Though I helped lynch MM and Mata to prove their baddness, so you'd think that would buy me a bit of goodwill.

FZ. wrote:I really hate how Epi and llama are so tunnel visioned they are not even contributing anything to the discussion. Okay, I get it, you think I'm bad, you want me lynched. Move on, talk about other things as well. Let's pretend it's just in case you die, okay?

Every time I've posted my ideas, I've been told I'm wrong, full of shit, up to no good, just making assumptions, not helping detectives, throwing a fit, trying to distress people into outing themselves, and having tunnel vision.

No reasons. No counterarguments. No evidence. Just conclusions that I do not share because I have not been convinced.

So hell no I don't feel like contributing.

Listen, here's the thing. FZ said before that the reason she fought so hard against being lynched is that she didn't want to be outed to the baddies. Well, she's already outed. She outed herself. If she's telling the truth, she has no more reason to fear a lynch. Yet she is still trying to wriggle out of it. I'm sure she will say that she doesn't want the waste of time that comes with a failed lynch, but how much more time will be wasted if she doesn't get lynched and we continue to talk about her tomorrow, and they day after that, and the day after that?

If FZ were telling the truth, she would peacefully succumb to herfate and be glad for the fresh start tomorrow. FZ has not done that, so I deduce that she is not telling the truth.

Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.

Turnip Head wrote:Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Yes, her fate of NOT BEING LYNCHED. Unless of course, she's lying, which I think she is.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.

The only reason we keep having to have this conversation everyday is because you and Epi won't let it go regardless of what else is happening in the game. You and Epi are the ones forcing that. You're the ones who can't move on.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Yes, her fate of NOT BEING LYNCHED. Unless of course, she's lying, which I think she is.

So I assume you think she is Mikami?

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Yes, her fate of NOT BEING LYNCHED. Unless of course, she's lying, which I think she is.

MM and Mata peacefully succumbed to being lynched. That's because baddies love wasting lynches. Civvies don't.