The Syndicate

(I definitely don't disagree with that as I've been arguing for days that it could be a false result and I've thought he's bad for other reasons for a while, just curious on your perspective there)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:22 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?

People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?

Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.

True but Iirc you said he claimed town after vote was locked. No effect on the lynch direction. As for you yourself, for what reason if you are scum, claimed to use Phoenix same night INH was revived? That's unnecessary. Same thing with Nutella claiming to block Colin when he can simply be lynched due to Mac's result on him. Which mean you two are more likely Town.

Are you saying there was evidence sufficient to lynch Colin despite your green peek on him?

>Colin said he's going to block Jack
>Mac said no, no action from Colin
Saw both DH and Mac pressuring him for that because it looks like he's lying about his action. If you're scum you'd just let it happen

Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Here's where I'm at Willing-To-Lynch order wise.

1. Poutanko
2. Colin
3. Nutella
4. Mac
5. Juliets

Anybody see anything objectively fucked up there?

Is it possible I wasn’t notified of being blocked by nutella because Wingardium wouldn’t require a return PM from the host in the first place?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:31 pm Is it possible I wasn’t notified of being blocked by nutella because Wingardium wouldn’t require a return PM from the host in the first place?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:30 pm Here's where I'm at Willing-To-Lynch order wise.

1. Poutanko
2. Colin
3. Nutella
4. Mac
5. Juliets

Anybody see anything objectively fucked up there?

I mean, I don’t like being 2 but I don’t have a shadow of a case on anybody other than poutanko, so, no.

Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Already said if I survive tonight, you guys can lynch me

Is it possible one of us is scum and just doesn’t know it? It would explain an awful lot.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

IDK Man I have you at #2 for a reason, I'm digging a poutanko lynch RN.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] you said you wanted to lynch Mac several times during D7 but never voted him. Instead, you voted Colin while saying you prefer to lynch Mac. Why?

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:36 pm Already said if I survive tonight, you guys can lynch me

Townie defeatism at Endgame ? Nahhhhh..

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:39 pm @DharmaHelper you said you wanted to lynch Mac several times during D7 but never voted him. Instead, you voted Colin while saying you prefer to lynch Mac. Why?

I dunno. Nobody seemed to dig a Mac lynch and I didn't want to get Luna lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:38 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

IDK Man I have you at #2 for a reason, I'm digging a poutanko lynch RN.

Yeah I know, I’m just saying with this + my earlier post it probably explains what happened that night re: DDL messages and whatnot

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.

Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.

Howwwww

Abdication of responsibility for a flip you knew would be bad for you.

"We had no choice but to lynch the civ cop Luna, DH never came forward with any infodump that proved she was civ"

How did this make Mac look bad? Luna flipping Town indicated Mac is uninformed Town more than scum. If he's scum it's more likely he would do things that made him look good aka lynching scum and saving town. Mac got nothing from Luna lynch.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:48 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.

Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.

Howwwww

Abdication of responsibility for a flip you knew would be bad for you.

"We had no choice but to lynch the civ cop Luna, DH never came forward with any infodump that proved she was civ"

How did this make Mac look bad? Luna flipping Town indicated Mac is uninformed Town more than scum. If he's scum it's more likely he would do things that made him look good aka lynching scum and saving town. Mac got nothing from Luna lynch.

......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?

Jack busing you for cred is just as good as being unlynchable.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:55 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?

Jack busing you for cred is just as good as being unlynchable.

How safe his claim is really? Wouldn't take long before he's questioned.

In that bussing scenario, isn't it better for 1 to lead a mislynch then 1 to save the would be mislynched? Both maf would survive and the white knight maf would get town cred while the outed maf would be immortal.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:30 pm Here's where I'm at Willing-To-Lynch order wise.

1. Colin
2. Pout
3. DH
4. Nutella
5. Juliets

Anybody see anything objectively fucked up there?

Mine

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

Did you receive a message from the host after your action?

If you didn't then your action worked.

Nutella, did you receive an indication your action failed?

If not then your action worked.

If both of your actions "worked" then one of you are lying.

It would be definitely Colin.

If the above is the facts, then there are three possibilities:

Colin is wolf
DDL fucked up
I made it all up

DDL would say if he fucked up.

Ergo if neither Colin or Nutella received a message saying that their ability didn't work, Colin is Mafia.

Aw yipes.

Aw yeps don't mind me. I'm just a couch potato ~

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:24 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

Did you receive a message from the host after your action?

If you didn't then your action worked.

Nutella, did you receive an indication your action failed?

If not then your action worked.

If both of your actions "worked" then one of you are lying.

It would be definitely Colin.

No I didn't receive any such indication. But does anyone object to Colin's point that he doesn't have any reason to believe he'd be told if it didn't go through?

For what it's worth, I had tried to use Petrificus Totalus a few nights earlier and was told that it didn't go through and that I got to keep my one shot (which I then used on colin the night we're talking about), but of course DDL had to tell me that because it was a one-shot and he had to tell me I got to keep the shot. Wingardium isn't a one-shot so DDL wouldn't necessarily inform Colin if it didn't go through.

Mac are you certain that DDL would say if it failed? I'm not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:24 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:32 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Yeah but Nutella said she blocked Colin. So the question is then "If Colin *attempted* an action, would that show up on Mac's check"

Wouldn’t it make way more sense if Mac sees what I did — and since I was blocked, I didn’t do anything.

Why does this suddenly seem obvious

Did you receive a message from the host after your action?

If you didn't then your action worked.

Nutella, did you receive an indication your action failed?

If not then your action worked.

If both of your actions "worked" then one of you are lying.

It would be definitely Colin.

I don't ever receive a message from DDL when using Wingardium. There's nothing for DDL to say, it's not info-related. He has only told me if an ability failed if there was the expectation of a response, ie, if I Demiguise.

You're getting hung up on a conspiracy Mac when there is a very very simple explanation.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:38 pm You're getting hung up on a conspiracy Mac when there is a very very simple explanation.

Mac would never do that.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:48 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.

DDL himself said on his OP, cop check could be fooled so

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:48 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.

DDL himself said on his OP, cop check could be fooled so

But Colin gets a pass?

IDK smells like fish.

I really don't think she means to imply that because she was just talking about how she thought there was enough evidence that makes colin look bad that her check must have been false. But she has been super vague on what her stance is there and seemingly going back and forth on it.


Whatever not to defend her or anything she's totally bad, I just thought maybe since she said "if there's a deepwolf" she meant colin's green check tier to be a possibly-bad tier. But really she probably just knows he's actually town because she's bad lol.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

I'm not someone who said 100% sure Jack was scum before

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:32 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? @nutella @DharmaHelper

.........k lol


don't get what you were arguing about colin earlier then

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:37 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:32 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? @nutella @DharmaHelper

.........k lol


don't get what you were arguing about colin earlier then

I didn't argue about Colin -.- I was pointing out why I town read you. It's you claiming to block him that indicates you're more likely town when you can just let people sus him more about his no action result if you're scum.

So that was the last House Cup, right?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:30 pm Here's where I'm at Willing-To-Lynch order wise.

1. Poutanko
2. Colin
3. Nutella
4. Mac
5. Juliets

Anybody see anything objectively fucked up there?

You left DH off the list.

Almond Milk + Chocolate Banana Flavored Peanut Butter + Actual Banana + Cinnamon + Ice

Woo baby

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:36 pm Mac are you certain that DDL would say if it failed? I'm not.

No you are right he probably wouldn't. So fuck me.

God damn it whoever the last Mafia is isn't conceding and it pains me. It fucking pains me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:18 pm Possible scumchat:

Pout: Hey guys I am gonna reveal that I am a cop in the thread and say Speedchuck is Mafia to get him lynched.

Long Con, Jack, INH, Nova: Very good idea. Trading 1 for 1 on a bullshit cop reveal is a great way for us to win.

What if Pout did this on her own without my input? Cause she’s a crazy Naruto player.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm MacDougall I understand your skepticism, but literally every other player has done things/claimed things that make them look town. There's a scum here playing a very good game, and we're going to have to see past it.

So true. RIP. Taken away from us too soon.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:20 pm Ummm idk finding the scum motivation for that is about as easy as finding the scum motivation for Luna's sloonei reveal.

Saving a civ as scum is, again, not that weird. Especially if you have divination and want to hard claim it and be trusted for it without bodying a teammate. Need I remind you that Sloonei died pretty soon after as well.

Mmmmm.......

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm @MacDougall I understand your skepticism, but literally every other player has done things/claimed things that make them look town. There's a scum here playing a very good game, and we're going to have to see past it.

...hmmmmmm.


[VOTE: luna] aubergine

"We solved it"

*votes for the cop*

Cool.

Wild.