RuPaul's Drag Race.Long Con wrote:Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.
It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.
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RuPaul's Drag Race.Long Con wrote:Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.
Fair enough I guess. I was going to say, I would hope for more than an inactive player for the top scum read. But I don't know if I'm further with that myself, other than having bad hunches on Marmot and to some degree Sonji. Long Con is confusing me ATM, and Jack is confusing me in general. Speaking of Scotty, I recall him having a post that I liked that expressed a certain frustration of not having strong reads and this reminding him of why he prefers to lynch inactives D1. It read more town to me, maybe cause I can relate. Also gun to my head I'd yolo read you as scum. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Infrequent posting isn't a big deal for Wilgy. I wouldn't say fluff is a solid town indicator for him though. Even in limited content he usually finds unique ways to hunt within his own bubble, to find connections or points of interest and probe them in his own way. He likes to have fun, but he also likes to play the game. In this game he hasn't done anything with his posts.
Also it looks like I am missing Scotty in the rainbow. Stick him in the orange pile.
The reads were gut level, but I can provide at least a quick blurb.Dyslexicon wrote:I'm particularly interested in reasoning for read/thoughts on these players if you have anything past gut level?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Soneji
Strawhenge
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin
<3 Plus, you having an Agent Cooper avatar is making me feel all warm and fuzzy and yay and you showing up is reminding me that you're also a possible suspect here. Rawr.insertnamehere wrote:RuPaul's Drag Race.Long Con wrote:Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.
It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.
There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.Dyslexicon wrote:I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?
I guess. There's also quite a few inactive players though. I guess I'm not as optimistic/more impatient? You have an answer for everything. *unsure face*JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.Dyslexicon wrote:I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?
I'm used to less.
Maybe I didn't make my point of view clear. You are using your (tried and true? go-to?) ploy to seem like you've got an angle and are being town-helpful in your own way, but there's not follow-up to justify it, which makes the whole thing thread-filler. Worse, it has quasi-dominated conversation with opinions on why you did it, and what you could be doing it for... Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like "Dyslexicon wrote:I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?Long Con wrote:I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.
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Try asking me if free will exists.Dyslexicon wrote:You have an answer for everything.
What are my clear reads? I don't even know at this point.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would describe Dyslexicon's post history this way:
There was the slip thing. They provided a link which validly nullifies it. It doesn't make them town, but I do think it renders that accusation uninteresting. So I remove the "slip" from the posts and assess beyond:
I see a player playing loose, providing relevant content both related to the controversy and to other portions of the continuing dialogue. I see quite a few clearly stated reads. I don't take issue with the tone or the language at face value. I think these are positives. So, if the "slip" is null and the rest is better than that, I land at a read more in the town direction than not.
You're ahead of the curve with things like this.Dyslexicon wrote:What are my clear reads? I don't even know at this point.![]()
I haven't claimed it to be a go-to move or a fantastical thing of any sort. I like to do things and try things and create stuff to discuss on D1. It needs to happen. This may include posting only in gifs, 3p claiming, fakeslipping, overly buddying, faking strong scum reads or whatever else I feel like.Long Con wrote:Maybe I didn't make my point of view clear. You are using your (tried and true? go-to?) ploy to seem like you've got an angle and are being town-helpful in your own way, but there's not follow-up to justify it, which makes the whole thing thread-filler. Worse, it has quasi-dominated conversation with opinions on why you did it, and what you could be doing it for... Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like "Dyslexicon wrote:I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?Long Con wrote:I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.
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I find the sum total of your contributions to be a negative number.
Linki: I didn't disappear. I'm just also in the Champs game... and also catching up on TV shows. Jesus, how long since my last post?? Now you're decrying me as some sort of sniper guy?
It just so happens that my name is Jack.speedchuck wrote:And so it just happens that he was right that game, based on dubious info.Strawhenge wrote:Discrepancy between number of player pairs and role powers. It's 6, and I tried to find where there might have been a scum caught, but that website is awful to navigate and I hate it and it's bad.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge I don't see it, please help.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*runs off to investigate*Strawhenge wrote:And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were.
It's not concrete, but there's some information. Unless I'm massively misunderstanding it.
It just happens that the other game has the same number of scum that he suggested this game.
It just happens that he slips with the exact same thing he said just a month ago, for similar reason.
It just happens that he remembered the other post, even though this one was an accident (which would leave the two posts with no correlation in his mind. Do you remember every post in this topic that you've made? That other game was longer.)
I don't believe in the power of coincidence quite that much. Though 5 is probably a good number of scum (for one team, anyway) in this game. Probably.
But...he did get suspected and link to that post.Scotty wrote:Yellow.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I have no idea where I am in that rainbow.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Half rainbow:
GREEN
Jack
JTrips
Nut
Silver
No avatar guy. Speedchuck?
LIGHT GREEN
Quin
Fred
Golden
YELLOW
Marmot
LC
Sig
ORANGE
Sorsha
Nacho
Sonjei
That guy who looks like Scotty but isn't Scotty. Who was like "I lied about my town read"
RED
Dizzy
Probably because I'm munching on all the lucky charms at the end of it
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If Dyslexicon's initial intent was to fake-fakeslip so that he might appear as his town self, it wouldn't ever work on this website because nobody here has a clue that's something he does a townie. Indeed the only way for Dizzy to get that information to us is to make the slip, get suspected, and then respond with the link to the past game.Golden wrote:This is the other Jay post that pinged me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The parallel is close, but it doesn't inherently make Dizzy a townie. I have to ask the following question though:
~ Does Dizzy have any reason to fake fakeslip as a bad guy to appear like their town self (typing that feels hilarious) in this environment where nobody really knows their town self anyway? I'm going to say no.
Why did you come to the 'no' conclusion, Jay?
That's a more complex mindset than I am inclined to associate with a Day 1 goofball fakeslip.
What I'm saying is for that logic to hold, one would have to assert that Dyslexicon intended for the scenario to progress that way. Somewhere in the brain this had to happen:Jackofhearts2005 wrote:But...he did get suspected and link to that post.
The first is predictable. The second is controllable.
Fredwood wrote:Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Color me extremely unimpressed by Dizzy's reads.
Yeah, they're fair reads but they don't incorporate the fakeslip that much, making it a semi useless and less believable tactic.
Currently of the opinion his real slip turned into a "fake slip" and the three reads/no reads thing was done after the fact to reinforce the "fake slip."
Zebra never convinced me last game (especially given her scum role in the end) that being scummy for the sake of getting a reaction was a good idea when there are plenty of better ways to get reactions. Hard to tell pouncing scummers and pouncing townies apart when you make yourself a juicy target for both.
Proud of Fred for giving early reads. Disappointed in Fred for reading me as scum without giving reasons. Play more better. I know you can.Why do you suspect me, Fred?
I believe I said slight scum, and that was because I've never seen you passive. Granted you said you lost the e-mail, but the even in the posts following that statement I wasn't sure to make of them, felt out of character and in the face of the unknown I distrust it.
With the dizzying flurry of posts since I've last checked the thread, you've returned to what feels familiar to me, so I'm back to a neutral read. Now I just distrust you out of habit not because of a misread behavior.
To be fair I was just voicing my gut, early cold reads are not things I readily share because I don't like making judgments without context, but it seems to be en vogue here.
I believe this ~90%.Dyslexicon wrote:Oh. I mentioned the "three reads" so that the post would look somewhat natural so it would be believable. Or else I wouldn't have any reason to talk numbers at all. So "There's five scum, but I only have three scum reads" would read more natural than just randomly state five scums in isolation.Quin wrote:You said earlier that you had three scum reads, but you later denied having any. Why?Dyslexicon wrote:I didn't understand what you meant, so please explain?Quin wrote:I've got some stuff to say too, if you'd be so kind as to answer to the contradiction I pointed out in your posts, Dys.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:lol gonna fake slip weeeeeee
I did answer it:Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Jettisoning the "real slip" theory in favor of fake slip or fake fake slip. Still waiting on an answer to Silver's big purple question about why this tactic of Dizzy is town.
Then show me how I'm not genuine about finding mafia. What in my questioning of players and trying to develop reads does not read genuine to you overall? I'm trying to find scum right in this moment.Long Con wrote:The dishonesty of the tactic is what seems scummy. Where a Civ would genuinely try to find Mafia, the Mafia has to fake it. You look like you're faking it.
You do have some posts that are not slip-related that look like genuine hunting. You would look way better to me if your day consisted of those kinds of posts and excluded the whole slip thing.Dyslexicon wrote:Then show me how I'm not genuine about finding mafia. What in my questioning of players and trying to develop reads does not read genuine to you overall? I'm trying to find scum right in this moment.Long Con wrote:The dishonesty of the tactic is what seems scummy. Where a Civ would genuinely try to find Mafia, the Mafia has to fake it. You look like you're faking it.
I feel like your first scenario is a better scum plan than your second one is a town plan.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What I'm saying is for that logic to hold, one would have to assert that Dyslexicon intended for the scenario to progress that way. Somewhere in the brain this had to happen:Jackofhearts2005 wrote:But...he did get suspected and link to that post.
The first is predictable. The second is controllable.
I am going to fake-fake slip. These people don't know me and will probably give me a lot of crap for it, but then I'll negate that crap with my link. Mwahaha.
I don't think that's a likely mindset for anyone. At the very least I think it's less likely than this one:
lol gonna fake slip weeeeeee
I agree with the first, not with the second.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch pre-SlipGate ~~~ low
Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch post-SlipGate ~~~ high
If you suspect Dizzy, please tell me whether you agree with the above assertions.
Not really.Dyslexicon wrote:Hi, Jack. Do you have questions for me?
Nachomamma8 wrote:Other people that could die are Soneji for his perspective on Silver Lantern who is painfully and unmistakably obvtown, and Scotty for lame presence this game when he had awesome presence as town last game and underwhelming presence as scum.
I think Strawhenge joins Silver Lantern and Fred for my "bet the farm" townreads, feel pretty good about the big three in Quin/JJJ/Golden so far although incidentally those three is where I'm the most cautious in my townreading.
Also townreading nutella and INH and probably other people to a degree less than the SUPATOWN group but more than the big three. Am sure that I'm missing things but too tired to figure out what, fading out now.
What changed here, Nacho?Nachomamma8 wrote:Liking Soneji.
I don't care about how I look. I care about whether you think I'm truly scum, and right now I'm not feeling that.Long Con wrote:You do have some posts that are not slip-related that look like genuine hunting. You would look way better to me if your day consisted of those kinds of posts and excluded the whole slip thing.
LIGHT GREENJackofhearts2005 wrote:I should probably start asking questions.
Silver/Quin/Fred/LC, gtth read someone in my light green to orange area, would you?
I need more evaluation from the players I've played with the most so I can evaluate your evaluations.
I was surprised just now, seeing how little Sorsha has been here, and how early her posts are. Surprised because, as you said, I can recall a few different players putting a bad read on her. I thought I would see more from her to justify those reads. I don't know if "endlessly" is quite how I'd describe the Sorsha discussion, but I find her quite unreadable at this time. Maybe it's a low-poster mentality, but I'd put a little light-orange flag on anyone who has expressed an opinion that she's bad.nutella wrote:Both Wilgy and Sorsha have only 6 posts each, and haven't posted for a while. Sorsha seems to have completely disappeared after the map discussion, even though people continued to talk about her endlessly. It would be nice to see her come back and contribute some thoughts.
Well put, echoes my thoughts about sig.nutella wrote:Sig also hasn't posted for a while, and I don't get warm fuzzy feelings from the few posts that he does have. I think I need more content from him before I can really judge but I don't feel great about him as is.
I agree. I certainly wasn't arguing about you.speedchuck wrote:Regarding my read, JJJ:
Don't flatter me. You and Golden weren't arguing about me, but about each other. I even butted in early and clarified some things, and was basically ignored. That HUGE tangent was on you two.
It's very relevent, and I really don't like your answer. Had it proven helpful to you or the town a month ago, I could see the justification for pulling that stunt again, but as is, you're basically expecting us to buy that it was useless a month ago and so you decided to use it again in front of what I am understanding to be a bunch of mafia strangers to you, for what? The lols? I just don't see that as very believable argument to be honest. It is irrational, and I hate to reward irrational play.Dyslexicon wrote:I can, though I personally don't think it's very relevant. As a matter of fact the only player even commenting on it in that game turned out to be scum. She commented, then forgot about it, and when I reminded her next game day she tried to twist it to an argument for suspicion. I had had a tunnel-vision scum read on her regardless of this (that I struggled to articulate, cause it was very gut-based), so I'm not sure the fakeslip in itself really did that much (also, the site meta makes that situation different - it's more interesting here).Silver Lantern wrote:Can Dyslexicon please answer this question?
---SNIP---
What is regretful is that I may have taken up too much time and attention. And while I'm an attention whore, it may not have been the best situation. But what's done is done and I have beer in my fridge.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
To be perfectly honest I have not even clicked on the link.Long Con wrote: ---SNIP---
Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like "Take from it what you will!"
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Hey I don't pretend to not be predictable.Fredwood wrote:
It's amusing how Standard Silver, silver is playing. So I agree with Orange on Sonjei because of how Green SIlver is being right now so I'm siding with him in the argument out of habit I guess.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Strawhenge wrote:OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY
It's so... big. Do we want a compact version? Or is the size an important factor of indicating the severity of the ping?MovingPictures07 wrote:Strawhenge wrote:OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPYSpoiler: show
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.