The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:04 pm**

Long Con wrote:Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.

RuPaul's Drag Race.

It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:06 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Infrequent posting isn't a big deal for Wilgy. I wouldn't say fluff is a solid town indicator for him though. Even in limited content he usually finds unique ways to hunt within his own bubble, to find connections or points of interest and probe them in his own way. He likes to have fun, but he also likes to play the game. In this game he hasn't done anything with his posts.

Also it looks like I am missing Scotty in the rainbow. Stick him in the orange pile.

Fair enough I guess. I was going to say, I would hope for more than an inactive player for the top scum read. But I don't know if I'm further with that myself, other than having bad hunches on Marmot and to some degree Sonji. Long Con is confusing me ATM, and Jack is confusing me in general. Speaking of Scotty, I recall him having a post that I liked that expressed a certain frustration of not having strong reads and this reminding him of why he prefers to lynch inactives D1. It read more town to me, maybe cause I can relate. Also gun to my head I'd yolo read you as scum. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:07 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Soneji
Strawhenge
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin
I'm particularly interested in reasoning for read/thoughts on these players if you have anything past gut level?

The reads were gut level, but I can provide at least a quick blurb.

Soneji - I was less comfortable with this slot when it stood at only one significant contributory post without any real-time interaction. That has since changed and I think he looks okay.

Strawhenge - While I don't quite understand why Strawhenge still thinks you clean slipped, his presentation of his argument (particularly his reference to the OP of the personality cafe thread) looks authentic to me. I don't know that a mafioso is likely to just make that stuff up to continuously push a slip accusation that has already lost a lot of public steam.

Long Con - I don't really know. I asked my gut and my gut said orange. I might have a tendency to suspect LC more than I suspect most other players; it's certainly been a recent trend. I'd say he's made a lot of substantive posts but none of them have pushed me townward on my read. Usually people with ISOs that look like his don't fit that description.

JOH - Similar scenario to LC. I appreciate his involvement, but I haven't been hit by a moment in his posts that makes me feel anything particularly positive. You could perhaps call these last two "neutral" reads, but I try to avoid that and take a stance. I opted for orange.

speedchuck - Someone else made the observation that he was kind of a distant observer while Golden and I debated about him, and that doesn't make me feel great.

Elohcin - She can be pressed for time, so one post isn't a serious issue. I do have a suspicion though that she does struggle less to get involved as town than as mafia. I am not sure whether she has been on the site much during the game.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:08 pm**

insertnamehere wrote:
Long Con wrote:Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.
RuPaul's Drag Race.

It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.

<3 Plus, you having an Agent Cooper avatar is making me feel all warm and fuzzy and yay and you showing up is reminding me that you're also a possible suspect here. Rawr.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 pm**

@JJJ, Thanks for the blurbs.

I think I'm growing more comfortable with Strawhenge. Less so with Long Con who really confuses me with his vote. Of the players that have actually posted a bit I guess Marmot and Sonji are the ones that makes my gut the most unhappy atm. I really hate not having meta on players D1/wish I had stronger reads, but I don't.

I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:17 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?

There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.

I'm used to less.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 pm**

Like, what's up with that vote from Long Con and just disappearing? o.o
Also, fine, I did a fakeslip and it was much wow, but I also have other content in thread. I'd like players who are voting me to form a coherent suspicion past that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:22 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?
There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.

I'm used to less.

I guess. There's also quite a few inactive players though. I guess I'm not as optimistic/more impatient? You have an answer for everything. *unsure face*

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:23 pm**

I would describe Dyslexicon's post history this way:

There was the slip thing. They provided a link which validly nullifies it. It doesn't make them town, but I do think it renders that accusation uninteresting. So I remove the "slip" from the posts and assess beyond:

I see a player playing loose, providing relevant content both related to the controversy and to other portions of the continuing dialogue. I see quite a few clearly stated reads. I don't take issue with the tone or the language at face value. I think these are positives. So, if the "slip" is null and the rest is better than that, I land at a read more in the town direction than not.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:23 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:
Long Con wrote:I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.

Unvote insertnamehere

Vote Lynch Dyslexicon
I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?

Maybe I didn't make my point of view clear. You are using your (tried and true? go-to?) ploy to seem like you've got an angle and are being town-helpful in your own way, but there's not follow-up to justify it, which makes the whole thing thread-filler. Worse, it has quasi-dominated conversation with opinions on why you did it, and what you could be doing it for... Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like "

Take from it what you will!"

I find the sum total of your contributions to be a negative number.

Linki: I didn't disappear. I'm just also in the Champs game... and also catching up on TV shows. Jesus, how long since my last post?? Now you're decrying me as some sort of sniper guy?

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:You have an answer for everything.

Try asking me if free will exists.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:27 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would describe Dyslexicon's post history this way:

There was the slip thing. They provided a link which validly nullifies it. It doesn't make them town, but I do think it renders that accusation uninteresting. So I remove the "slip" from the posts and assess beyond:

I see a player playing loose, providing relevant content both related to the controversy and to other portions of the continuing dialogue. I see quite a few clearly stated reads. I don't take issue with the tone or the language at face value. I think these are positives. So, if the "slip" is null and the rest is better than that, I land at a read more in the town direction than not.

What are my clear reads? I don't even know at this point.

I guess GTH, suspicions I'd be ok with shouting out includes Marmot, Sonji and JJJ. All low posters or people that seems more on the sidelines would be susp to (INH, Sorsha, Wilgy, Ethol, etc).

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:29 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:What are my clear reads? I don't even know at this point.

You're ahead of the curve with things like this.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:32 pm**

Long Con wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Long Con wrote:I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.

Unvote insertnamehere

Vote Lynch Dyslexicon
I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?
Maybe I didn't make my point of view clear. You are using your (tried and true? go-to?) ploy to seem like you've got an angle and are being town-helpful in your own way, but there's not follow-up to justify it, which makes the whole thing thread-filler. Worse, it has quasi-dominated conversation with opinions on why you did it, and what you could be doing it for... Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like " Take from it what you will!"

I find the sum total of your contributions to be a negative number.

Linki: I didn't disappear. I'm just also in the Champs game... and also catching up on TV shows. Jesus, how long since my last post?? Now you're decrying me as some sort of sniper guy?

I haven't claimed it to be a go-to move or a fantastical thing of any sort. I like to do things and try things and create stuff to discuss on D1. It needs to happen. This may include posting only in gifs, 3p claiming, fakeslipping, overly buddying, faking strong scum reads or whatever else I feel like.

You are not saying why my play is scummy. You are saying why you deem it useless. Are you voting me because you think I'm scum - in which case why?

I wanted to talk to you. Clearly mafia is more important than TV-shows, unless it's Twin Peaks or RuPaul's Drag Race.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:34 pm**

speedchuck wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were.
*runs off to investigate*
Strawhenge I don't see it, please help.
Discrepancy between number of player pairs and role powers. It's 6, and I tried to find where there might have been a scum caught, but that website is awful to navigate and I hate it and it's bad.

It's not concrete, but there's some information. Unless I'm massively misunderstanding it.
And so it just happens that he was right that game, based on dubious info.
It just happens that the other game has the same number of scum that he suggested this game.
It just happens that he slips with the exact same thing he said just a month ago, for similar reason.
It just happens that he remembered the other post, even though this one was an accident (which would leave the two posts with no correlation in his mind. Do you remember every post in this topic that you've made? That other game was longer.)

I don't believe in the power of coincidence quite that much. Though 5 is probably a good number of scum (for one team, anyway) in this game. Probably.

It just so happens that my name is Jack.
It just so happens that the sky is purple.

Unrelated and untrue "coincidences" do not make something a plan.

Even so, the key to if this is a slip, a fake slip or a fake fake slip is not as important as if his actions help the town or not. His "fake slip" didn't help him get reads. I've been trying to find a way that his ploy would be useful as a townie and the only things I can think of are 1) if he can self confirm and remove the huge downside of possibly getting himself lynched or 2) he has established some townie cred and can thus separate townies (who give him the benefit of the doubt) and scummers (who fish/push for a mislynch). Idk about door 1 but door 2 would work better not on day 1.

Scotty wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Half rainbow:
GREEN
Jack
JTrips
Nut
Silver
No avatar guy. Speedchuck?
LIGHT GREEN
Quin
Fred
Golden
YELLOW
Marmot
LC
Sig
ORANGE
Sorsha
Nacho
Sonjei
That guy who looks like Scotty but isn't Scotty. Who was like "I lied about my town read"
RED
Dizzy
I have no idea where I am in that rainbow.

Probably because I'm munching on all the lucky charms at the end of it
Yellow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The parallel is close, but it doesn't inherently make Dizzy a townie. I have to ask the following question though:

~ Does Dizzy have any reason to fake fakeslip as a bad guy to appear like their town self (typing that feels hilarious) in this environment where nobody really knows their town self anyway? I'm going to say no.
This is the other Jay post that pinged me.

Why did you come to the 'no' conclusion, Jay?
If Dyslexicon's initial intent was to fake-fakeslip so that he might appear as his town self, it wouldn't ever work on this website because nobody here has a clue that's something he does a townie. Indeed the only way for Dizzy to get that information to us is to make the slip, get suspected, and then respond with the link to the past game.

That's a more complex mindset than I am inclined to associate with a Day 1 goofball fakeslip.

But...he did get suspected and link to that post.

The first is predictable. The second is controllable.

I don't see how this makes Dizzy look good unless you are ONLY arguing against the slip, not the fake fake slip.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:36 pm**

Hi, Jack. Do you have questions for me?

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:37 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:But...he did get suspected and link to that post.

The first is predictable. The second is controllable.

What I'm saying is for that logic to hold, one would have to assert that Dyslexicon intended for the scenario to progress that way. Somewhere in the brain this had to happen:

I am going to fake-fake slip. These people don't know me and will probably give me a lot of crap for it, but then I'll negate that crap with my link. Mwahaha.

I don't think that's a likely mindset for anyone. At the very least I think it's less likely than this one:

lol gonna fake slip weeeeeee

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:38 pm**

Fredwood wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Color me extremely unimpressed by Dizzy's reads.

Yeah, they're fair reads but they don't incorporate the fakeslip that much, making it a semi useless and less believable tactic.

Currently of the opinion his real slip turned into a "fake slip" and the three reads/no reads thing was done after the fact to reinforce the "fake slip."

Zebra never convinced me last game (especially given her scum role in the end) that being scummy for the sake of getting a reaction was a good idea when there are plenty of better ways to get reactions. Hard to tell pouncing scummers and pouncing townies apart when you make yourself a juicy target for both.

Proud of Fred for giving early reads. Disappointed in Fred for reading me as scum without giving reasons. Play more better. I know you can. Why do you suspect me, Fred?

I believe I said slight scum, and that was because I've never seen you passive. Granted you said you lost the e-mail, but the even in the posts following that statement I wasn't sure to make of them, felt out of character and in the face of the unknown I distrust it.

With the dizzying flurry of posts since I've last checked the thread, you've returned to what feels familiar to me, so I'm back to a neutral read. Now I just distrust you out of habit not because of a misread behavior.

To be fair I was just voicing my gut, early cold reads are not things I readily share because I don't like making judgments without context, but it seems to be en vogue here.

Dyslexicon wrote:
Quin wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Quin wrote:I've got some stuff to say too, if you'd be so kind as to answer to the contradiction I pointed out in your posts, Dys.
I didn't understand what you meant, so please explain?
You said earlier that you had three scum reads, but you later denied having any. Why?
Oh. I mentioned the "three reads" so that the post would look somewhat natural so it would be believable. Or else I wouldn't have any reason to talk numbers at all. So "There's five scum, but I only have three scum reads" would read more natural than just randomly state five scums in isolation.

I believe this ~90%.

Jettisoning the "real slip" theory in favor of fake slip or fake fake slip. Still waiting on an answer to Silver's big purple question about why this tactic of Dizzy is town.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:38 pm**

The dishonesty of the tactic is what seems scummy. Where a Civ would genuinely try to find Mafia, the Mafia has to fake it. You look like you're faking it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:39 pm**

Can't stop running. Have to save the universe....

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:42 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:lol gonna fake slip weeeeeee

(Though, I would be inclined to the first mindset too, but probably too lazy as I'm not loving playing scum as much, and also not confident enough without knowing the player pool.)

The flack I get now from Long Con and Jack seems to be an argument of my play being deemed useless or harmful, (which I don't agree with), but the question should be whether I'm scum or not.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:43 pm**

Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch pre-SlipGate ~~~ low

Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch post-SlipGate ~~~ high

If you suspect Dizzy, please tell me whether you agree with the above assertions.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:45 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Jettisoning the "real slip" theory in favor of fake slip or fake fake slip. Still waiting on an answer to Silver's big purple question about why this tactic of Dizzy is town.

I did answer it:

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:47 pm**

Long Con wrote:The dishonesty of the tactic is what seems scummy. Where a Civ would genuinely try to find Mafia, the Mafia has to fake it. You look like you're faking it.

Then show me how I'm not genuine about finding mafia. What in my questioning of players and trying to develop reads does not read genuine to you overall? I'm trying to find scum right in this moment.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:04 pm**

Copy & paste from the other game:

My intention is for my activity here to be as limited as possible here over the next few days. I'm starting that new marketing job on Thursday, and I'm kind of a fish out of water in that regard because of all the platforms and software that she wants me to learn and use, so I really need to study up on all this stuff beforehand. My parents are in Sydney for the next few days too, so I'm basically playing housekeeper at the same time.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:14 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote:
Long Con wrote:The dishonesty of the tactic is what seems scummy. Where a Civ would genuinely try to find Mafia, the Mafia has to fake it. You look like you're faking it.
Then show me how I'm not genuine about finding mafia. What in my questioning of players and trying to develop reads does not read genuine to you overall? I'm trying to find scum right in this moment.

You do have some posts that are not slip-related that look like genuine hunting. You would look way better to me if your day consisted of those kinds of posts and excluded the whole slip thing.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:22 pm**

My burnout is hitting critical mass. Next time I play Mafia I am going to Vompatti it. I am marking it down now. If in my next game anyone sees me doing my usual shtick, refer me to this please. I need a break. I will step away from the game for a while, probably until we're approaching the deadline. I feel it in my throbbing brain.

No slight on your game sprityo, it's been fun so far!

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:28 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:But...he did get suspected and link to that post.

The first is predictable. The second is controllable.
What I'm saying is for that logic to hold, one would have to assert that Dyslexicon intended for the scenario to progress that way. Somewhere in the brain this had to happen:

I am going to fake-fake slip. These people don't know me and will probably give me a lot of crap for it, but then I'll negate that crap with my link. Mwahaha.

I don't think that's a likely mindset for anyone. At the very least I think it's less likely than this one:

lol gonna fake slip weeeeeee

I feel like your first scenario is a better scum plan than your second one is a town plan.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch pre-SlipGate ~~~ low

Dyslexicon's chances of being the Day 1 lynch post-SlipGate ~~~ high

If you suspect Dizzy, please tell me whether you agree with the above assertions.

I agree with the first, not with the second.

Not feeling as strongly anti Dizzy as I was before because I think the "slip" and excuse were planned. Currently my favorite lynch option but not one I'm in love with.

Dyslexicon wrote:Hi, Jack. Do you have questions for me?

Not really.

I'd prefer to spread my focus a bit, now.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:39 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote:Other people that could die are Soneji for his perspective on Silver Lantern who is painfully and unmistakably obvtown, and Scotty for lame presence this game when he had awesome presence as town last game and underwhelming presence as scum.

I think Strawhenge joins Silver Lantern and Fred for my "bet the farm" townreads, feel pretty good about the big three in Quin/JJJ/Golden so far although incidentally those three is where I'm the most cautious in my townreading.

Also townreading nutella and INH and probably other people to a degree less than the SUPATOWN group but more than the big three. Am sure that I'm missing things but too tired to figure out what, fading out now.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Liking Soneji.

What changed here, Nacho?

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:49 pm**

Long Con wrote:You do have some posts that are not slip-related that look like genuine hunting. You would look way better to me if your day consisted of those kinds of posts and excluded the whole slip thing.

I don't care about how I look. I care about whether you think I'm truly scum, and right now I'm not feeling that.

---

Jack trending a bit upwards me thinks.

Would most of all like for people like Sorasha, Wilgy and Ethol to provide game related content.

Now sleep.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:52 pm**

Finally caught up -- I've been slowly chasing the thread all day (slept in fairly late so there was already a lot but then I had work in the afternoon and was reading on my phone when I could). It's been an interesting read, but I don't have much concrete to say about the discussions that have been going on, other than that I'm still pretty inclined to townread Dys. The fake-fake-slip theory is worth some entertainment, but like JJJ I'm finding it pretty improbable that Dys would have planned ahead to link the townie meta -- it definitely didn't seem planned, and again I think the "k I'm gonna fakeslip to see what happens/just for the lulz" mindset is much more likely the case and I buy that it's a common enough strategy. Honestly the general category of doing something "zany" like that early on to gauge reactions is far from unheard of here, it's just that Dizzy's type of slip in particular seemed kind of oddly specific and excessively risky. But I buy it. That's just how some players like to play, putting in some risk to generate discussion.

Anyway, I'm going to switch gears and work on a post about who I'm interested in pursuing for the lynch.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:11 am**

Both Wilgy and Sorsha have only 6 posts each, and haven't posted for a while. Sorsha seems to have completely disappeared after the map discussion, even though people continued to talk about her endlessly. It would be nice to see her come back and contribute some thoughts.

Wilgy's absence worries me more though. Given what happened in ROT3K, I didn't really find his jokey wifom thing with MM to be much of a laughing matter, and in fact it very much tempts me to lynch him D1 and see if lightning doesn't strike twice. In my experience with him he's almost always a D1 candidate and almost always flips bad.

Sig also hasn't posted for a while, and I don't get warm fuzzy feelings from the few posts that he does have. I think I need more content from him before I can really judge but I don't feel great about him as is.

I just reread Scotty's iso and I feel pretty good about him actually. I agree with him on Wilgy, and he openly changed his tune on Dys after seeing the link. He hinted twice about having some ability that charges based on how much he posts.

There are a handful of players who I either feel pretty neutral about or keep flip-flopping on (Soneji, Strawhenge, INH, Jack, Fred, Speed), and also the JJJ/Golden exchange kind of shook my confidence in JJJ a little bit so I'm still sorting out how I feel about him atm. Maybe I'll try to make a rainbow, a lot of it will probably be pretty GTH/arbitrary but it'll be a good exercise.

For now, Vote: DrWilgy

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:19 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I should probably start asking questions.

Silver/Quin/Fred/LC, gtth read someone in my light green to orange area, would you?

I need more evaluation from the players I've played with the most so I can evaluate your evaluations.

LIGHT GREEN
Quin - Slight Civ... the only ping I have had was his Soneji accusation of "shutting down discussion", which isn't accurate in my interpretation
Fred - Civ... just looked back over his posts, and they're pretty genuine
Golden - Civ... same as Quin, I think I'm gettting to know both their games pretty well by now.
YELLOW
Marmot - Bad... feels like he's going through the motions
LC - Civ... I saw his role card
Sig - Bad... not much content yet, but his Golden suspicion feels contrived.
ORANGE
Sorsha - I think she forgot she's playing. Null. I also don't see the "give the map to a female" thing as suspect, despite JJJ's pushing.
Nacho - Civ... Genuine feel
Soneji - Civ... good opinions, many match my own

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:23 am**

nutella wrote:Both Wilgy and Sorsha have only 6 posts each, and haven't posted for a while. Sorsha seems to have completely disappeared after the map discussion, even though people continued to talk about her endlessly. It would be nice to see her come back and contribute some thoughts.

I was surprised just now, seeing how little Sorsha has been here, and how early her posts are. Surprised because, as you said, I can recall a few different players putting a bad read on her. I thought I would see more from her to justify those reads. I don't know if "endlessly" is quite how I'd describe the Sorsha discussion, but I find her quite unreadable at this time. Maybe it's a low-poster mentality, but I'd put a little light-orange flag on anyone who has expressed an opinion that she's bad.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:24 am**

nutella wrote:Sig also hasn't posted for a while, and I don't get warm fuzzy feelings from the few posts that he does have. I think I need more content from him before I can really judge but I don't feel great about him as is.

Well put, echoes my thoughts about sig.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:32 am**

Regarding my read, JJJ:

Don't flatter me. You and Golden weren't arguing about me, but about each other. I even butted in early and clarified some things, and was basically ignored. That HUGE tangent was on you two.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:34 am**

Quin
Golden
Dyslexicon
Scotty
Soneji
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
Nachomamma8
Jackofhearts2005
Silver Lantern
Metalmarsh89
speedchuck
Strawhenge
insertnamehere
DFaraday
Elohcin
Sorsha
Fredwood
sig
DrWilgy

My early rainbows tend to be pretty green-yellow heavy/I can be generous with town reads, so surely there are more baddies than I have suspects thus far (perhaps five rather than three?

) and a lot of the yellows could go either way, so I'm calling this a satisfying enough rainbow for now. Subject to change.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:43 am**

speedchuck wrote:Regarding my read, JJJ:

Don't flatter me. You and Golden weren't arguing about me, but about each other. I even butted in early and clarified some things, and was basically ignored. That HUGE tangent was on you two.

I agree. I certainly wasn't arguing about you.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:00 am**

This is fine. Go ahead and lynch me it'll give you a new bump in the road when you try to read my meta.

If you really looked into me, you should notice that my all around posting has decreased over the past few days. Both in this game and others that I'm in. This is fine though and definitely not a sign that I'm busy.

This is an easy mislynch for baddies if anything. Regardless, don't have time to hint/defend atm. Looooooove y'all <33

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:01 am**

*hunt

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:17 am**

Dyslexicon wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:Can Dyslexicon please answer this question?
I can, though I personally don't think it's very relevant. As a matter of fact the only player even commenting on it in that game turned out to be scum. She commented, then forgot about it, and when I reminded her next game day she tried to twist it to an argument for suspicion. I had had a tunnel-vision scum read on her regardless of this (that I struggled to articulate, cause it was very gut-based), so I'm not sure the fakeslip in itself really did that much (also, the site meta makes that situation different - it's more interesting here).

---SNIP---

What is regretful is that I may have taken up too much time and attention. And while I'm an attention whore, it may not have been the best situation. But what's done is done and I have beer in my fridge.

It's very relevent, and I really don't like your answer. Had it proven helpful to you or the town a month ago, I could see the justification for pulling that stunt again, but as is, you're basically expecting us to buy that it was useless a month ago and so you decided to use it again in front of what I am understanding to be a bunch of mafia strangers to you, for what? The lols? I just don't see that as very believable argument to be honest. It is irrational, and I hate to reward irrational play.

About the only thing going for you right now is that you're here and active and responding to the pressure on you, which is a lot more admirable than the guys with 6 posts, fwiw.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:19 am**

Long Con wrote: ---SNIP---

Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like " Take from it what you will!"

To be perfectly honest I have not even clicked on the link.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:26 am**

Fredwood wrote:
It's amusing how Standard Silver, silver is playing. So I agree with Orange on Sonjei because of how Green SIlver is being right now so I'm siding with him in the argument out of habit I guess.

Hey I don't pretend to not be predictable.

The funny thing is that Soneji makes some good points, but it's interesting how sensitive he/she seems to be to any suggestion that their arguments are silly.

Take note folks, if you want to get Soneji off their game, just attack his/her weak reasoning and he's sure to start posting dictionary links and frothing at the mouth.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:38 am**

damn, my timezone combined with my kinda messed up sleep schedule means that I always miss the really busy thread times and the times when I'm most available to play it's completely dead

I promise I'll get up in time to be on here before work this time

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:48 am**

countdown of the first day

VOTALS:

Dyslexicon (3): Quin, Strawhenge, Long con
Fredwood (1): DrWilgy
Strawhenge (2): MM, Speedchuck
Soneji (1): Silver Lantern
DrWilgy (3): Scotty, JJJ, nutella
Scotty (1): Nachomamma
MM (1): Dyslexicon

With 21 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch, and 6 to soft lynch. Day 1 will end on 14th February, 2017 at 10pm EST, or in approx. 17 hours.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:16 am**

Voted North. I'm not caught up yet... you guys post way to much.

Please point out to me anything specific I need to address because I'm not sure I'll be reading everything in this thread

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:09 am**

Strawhenge wrote:OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:27 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY

Spoiler: show

It's so... big. Do we want a compact version? Or is the size an important factor of indicating the severity of the ping?

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:42 am**

Dys's response re: her 'three scumreads' doesn't set off any further alarm bells. The simple fact that I haven't seen this kind of fake-slip tactic before hurts my brain. I simply do not know what I want to do.

I'll come back in the morning.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:10 am**

Dys has not power claimed, right?

Change vote: Dyslexicon

The Syndicate

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