The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:50 am**

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 am I’m more curious why kyle thinks your target is confirmed town. Also, wasn’t there another set of pseudo-masons in this game, or am i misremembering? Who were they?

Kyle and Kenway are masons but kyle has said kenway has virtually not used it at all

Mac was in btsc with epi and I before his untimely demise at the hands of Quin

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:53 am**

im not entirely seeing what kyle is saying about my target being town either. my only power is to heal and kyle cant reverse a heal to a kill. mages can.

either that or he healed me, but thatd have been a waste cause epi can doctor me right back and we have an infinite doctor loop

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:25 pm**

Sage
Light magic, anima magic and staff wielding foot soldier known for firepower and wisdom.
Elfire - Each night, you may target another player and reverse their action. A nightkill will become a doctor, a guide will become a block, a track will become a reverse track, etc. This action can never result in the death of a townie.
Heal - Once per game, you may doctor another player.
Does not promote

Relevant text bold/underlined.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:07 pm**

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm**

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:56 am @sprityo barring shenanigans, whoever you targeted last night was a civ, assuming you used mend or a mend facsimile and neither of you nor i were misdirected.

this doesn't actually feel like a super mind-blowing revelation but at least it's something
I’ve targetted Epi every single night of the game if that tells you anything
I’m not following the logic here by either of you. Why would spirit’s target be town for sure? And Spirit, is epi a town read for you simply based on the role, or because of how he’s interacted in your BTSC chat?

sprityo is a doctor and I'm a sage. I turned sprityo's protection into a kill that can only fell mafia. assuming no shenanigans were at play if epignosis were mafia he'd be dead. granted he was already pretty unlikely to be mafia

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:25 pm**

oh cool, well epi youre confirmed civilian *clap clap*

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:26 pm**

why was my vote on kites. i thought i voted sig

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:41 pm**

how about we stop giving speedchuck a free pass? i went through dunya’s iso and huge amount of her posts is fluff and game mechanics stuff. she talks a lot but doesn’t say much.she is questioning everyone and asking people to elaborate their posts but doesn’t get much heat in return. she has a very diplomatic approach to this game, like she does a crap ton of observations based on meta and shit but doesn’t give much opinions which is what scum dunia does imo.

speedchuck’s result ”clearing” lapluie? yall remember epi’s exercise? dunya was the top pick. do you believe there are no big mafia names in the scum team?

also the claim to be from allyia is an anomaly, no one else has claimed to be from a country other than goodguyia and badguyia

anyways I can’t point to anything specifically scummy, they’re both very good at this game anyways so that’s expected, i just want others to be wary of him

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:42 pm**

quote=dunya post_id=410683 time=1518784910 user_id=446]
@Quin - have you seen a scum lapluie in action before?
[/quote]

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:42 am If lap was don, Quin would be on her team tbh imo.

uh these posts are, let’s just say, interesting

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.

why do you suspect me and gwilly?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:22 pm**

Dunya has a lot of fluff and mechanics but also a lot of #content. I wasn't in the "dunya is good because she's posting so much" camp but I town read her at the time and speed hasn't dramatically changed that opinion. I will ISO him at some point, but for now he's still in the town pile.

Your point is taken, though. Those quin/lap posts are certainly a good find and spurring me to bump up his ISO in priority.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:24 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.

i don't care but why am i below kenway?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm**

I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.

I targeted Kenway since he's been only semi active, not active in his group chat with Kyle, and kept voting for me on weak reasoning. Plus he was on many people's lists.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:40 pm**

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.
why do you suspect me and gwilly?

I don't specifically. I only POE'd the above list.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.
i don't care but why am i below kenway?

I'd tell you, but you don't care.

Really though: It's no secret that I've had a strong townread on Kenway this whole game. If I was going to suspect one person in that chat of yours, it'd be you over him.
Though only barely. I appreciate your efforts, using the flip ability of yours to narrow the field by clearing Epi. Scum don't usually clear townies.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:41 pm**

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 am Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
Epignosis
Sprityo
Rundontwalk
Nutella
Kenway
Kylemii
Colonialbob
Gwilikers6
Kites
IronDwarf
Sig

I would not lynch the top half of this list.

Right now we have 3 scum among 12. Assuming shenanananigans and scum power, They may have the equivalent of 5-ish people. 5v9 ish. We can handle one or two more mislynches.
why do you suspect me and gwilly?

Why shouldn't he suspect gwilly?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.

"Disgusting"

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm**

[VOTE: sig ] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:15 pm**

Speed as a whole has not piqued my interests or suspicions at since replacing in. I usually have a good eye at sniffing him out. I can tell you 100% I do not care about anything dunya said. (I mean I only cared like 40% while she was still here but still)

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:19 pm**

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] I need you to use your elfire on someone other than me and Epi for now

We’ll be fine and won’t need any switching, that could also cause us to die probs

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:23 pm**

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] Do you know what swapping a cop would do?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:26 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:19 pm @Kylemii I need you to use your elfire on someone other than me and Epi for now

We’ll be fine and won’t need any switching, that could also cause us to die probs

don't worry, i have other plans now

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:27 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:15 pm Speed as a whole has not piqued my interests or suspicions at since replacing in. I usually have a good eye at sniffing him out. I can tell you 100% I do not care about anything dunya said. (I mean I only cared like 40% while she was still here but still)

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:29 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:27 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:15 pm Speed as a whole has not piqued my interests or suspicions at since replacing in. I usually have a good eye at sniffing him out. I can tell you 100% I do not care about anything dunya said. (I mean I only cared like 40% while she was still here but still)

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:35 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:23 pm @Kylemii Do you know what swapping a cop would do?

I don't. I haven't asked. I have two theories though.

1. cop receives incorrect result, opposite of what they should have received, reversing the ability of the cop

or

2. cop's target receives the cop result of the cop instead, reversing the direction of the cop

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:42 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:23 pm @Kylemii Do you know what swapping a cop would do?
I don't. I haven't asked. I have two theories though.

1. cop receives incorrect result, opposite of what they should have received, reversing the ability of the cop

or

2. cop's target receives the cop result of the cop instead, reversing the direction of the cop

Thanks. Opens up a lot of possibilities.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:48 pm**

the whole point of targeting you, sprityo, was to clear epignosis, I can't target him cus he's on a horse so my business with you two is complete

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:49 pm**

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] what would fire or elfire do if they targeted a cop type info role? what is the opposite of a cop

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:50 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.

Why would it fail? Why would you kill me?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:01 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:49 pm Jackofhearts2005 what would fire or elfire do if they targeted a cop type info role? what is the opposite of a cop

The opposite of a cop...

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:04 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:01 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:49 pm Jackofhearts2005 what would fire or elfire do if they targeted a cop type info role? what is the opposite of a cop
The opposite of a cop...

a... robber?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:04 pm**

a thief

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:05 pm**

!!!!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:05 pm**

Normally I'd say a framer but in this setup that's worthless, so

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.

What does a cornered act look like?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:39 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:56 am @sprityo barring shenanigans, whoever you targeted last night was a civ, assuming you used mend or a mend facsimile and neither of you nor i were misdirected.

this doesn't actually feel like a super mind-blowing revelation but at least it's something
I’ve targetted Epi every single night of the game if that tells you anything
I’m not following the logic here by either of you. Why would spirit’s target be town for sure? And Spirit, is epi a town read for you simply based on the role, or because of how he’s interacted in your BTSC chat?
sprityo is a doctor and I'm a sage. I turned sprityo's protection into a kill that can only fell mafia. assuming no shenanigans were at play if epignosis were mafia he'd be dead. granted he was already pretty unlikely to be mafia

Unless you bad.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:43 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.
What does a cornered act look like?

What does a cornered civilian act like?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:49 pm**

being complimented for applying my role in maybe the most obvious way possible is a little disheartening, I feel like I'm being damned with faint praise.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:20 pm**

sig is going to get my vote unless he answers my question to my satisfaction.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 am**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.
"Disgusting"

I dunno guys, either sig or cbob looks bad here but I can't decide which

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:27 am**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:16 am
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:04 am Nothing substantially changed in my rdw assessment so here it is:

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine
Talk us through yesterday. No change on how you view RDW from that?

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:28 am**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:26 pm why was my vote on kites. i thought i voted sig

Misdirection? Or someone stole your vote?

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:29 am**

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:41 pm how about we stop giving speedchuck a free pass? i went through dunya’s iso and huge amount of her posts is fluff and game mechanics stuff. she talks a lot but doesn’t say much.she is questioning everyone and asking people to elaborate their posts but doesn’t get much heat in return. she has a very diplomatic approach to this game, like she does a crap ton of observations based on meta and shit but doesn’t give much opinions which is what scum dunia does imo.

speedchuck’s result ”clearing” lapluie? yall remember epi’s exercise? dunya was the top pick. do you believe there are no big mafia names in the scum team?

also the claim to be from allyia is an anomaly, no one else has claimed to be from a country other than goodguyia and badguyia

anyways I can’t point to anything specifically scummy, they’re both very good at this game anyways so that’s expected, i just want others to be wary of him

We've been over this exercise a few days back, imo you can't really make anything of it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:29 am**

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I targeted Kenway since he's been only semi active, not active in his group chat with Kyle, and kept voting for me on weak reasoning. Plus he was on many people's lists.

A bit a case of OMGUS then.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:30 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.
"Disgusting"

I dunno guys, either sig or cbob looks bad here but I can't decide which

Tough times for nutella now that it's not clear which way the trains will go.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:41 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.
What does a cornered act look like?

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:46 am**

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.
What does a cornered act look like?

A cornered civ does act desperate but they also try to do things to help town and counter why they aren't mafia. Red seemed much more focused on just filling the thread wirh smaller posts And redirecting his wagon. Whichin my mind is generaly more scummy. Also keep in mind i thought lap was a civ.

My actions on kenway wasn't an OMGUS he did very little with his case on me , besides try to get me lynched for being from the bad guy land. He's flying under the radar just like lap.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:48 am**

Every time I put in a night action it's been to help us and targeted players I found scummy. I'll also note I've tried to ask people for their thoughts and nobody has bothered to give me suggestions for my targets.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:53 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.
"Disgusting"

I dunno guys, either sig or cbob looks bad here but I can't decide which

Elaborate?

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:16 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.
"Disgusting"

I dunno guys, either sig or cbob looks bad here but I can't decide which
Elaborate?

nah, thanks for the help though

[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:45 pm**

I have not had an opportunity to analyze the interactions among Quin + lapluie and the remaining field. I will try to do as much as I can today.

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