Mafia Misplay Mafia

[risiinq-]

One lf the first thing that I will do tomorrow is ISO ris and ping you about it to give me your thoughts. If I dont do it I ñromise to vote for myself or something cuz I feel like I should have done it days ago

when are you doing this? i wanna know if it's going to be before i sleep or not, since i prob wont be able to do much tmr since im short on time and will prob wake up to hundreds of more posts that i wont have time to read, aswell

so i wont have a complete wordlveiw either. sigh

[santygrass]

NONE OF THIS IS SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING I LOOKED FOR BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR NOTHING

current votes:

Santy: neon, porscha, sabi, lily
HK: santy, esooa, risiing
risiinq: HK

does it make MORE sense if two wolves are on me saying "hk is wolf and even if not he has to die" or does it make LESS sense?

I think the longer the game goes the more I can't be a wolf, if I don't go over here today and Santy is town I expect the dialog tomorrow to be "HK was protected, kill him then kill on the santy wagon" but like I've shown today that I'm not someone worth protecting. I haven't participated, haven't solved, haven't done much of anything at all.

Partially b/c I'm lazy and bad, partially because I scored a PS5, and partially because it stops the narrative of "HK was protected" because again, haven't done shit to protect, there's no reason. The wolf team, if I am a wolf, should have been busing me from D2 onward, even D1 after my outburst.

which would indicate to me that either Santy is a hit OR Santy is the "protect risiinq" wagon.

Now if Santy is NOT a hit I think it's more likely that risiinq IS a hit AND ALSO that there's a wolf on the Santy wagon, of which Sabi makes the least sense (watch it be sabi), then Porscha, then probs a tossup between neon/lily, neither of which I really have a read on.

If Santy IS a hit I'm torn. On the one hand having a wolf there makes sense, and it might be Neon then. But having a wolf be off wagon is also fine here as the "off wagon" is the policy chop that's been hanging on for days now.

UGH. I don't think you can say anything concrete if Santy is a hit. I think you can if Santy isn't a hit.

If Santy is a hit I do not think there are two wolves on my wagon. Which I said above.

game is hard, mafia is dumb, etc etc

@risiinq- I cant go into detail since Im going to work rn and am late. But the insight here and the fact that them just didnt switch to me rn talk to me about a towny approach being possible here

[risiinq-]

i'm also trying to decide whether or not esooa's sudden bigbrain moment on my slightly-ate eod yesterday was a town bigbrain moment or a wolf bigbrain strategic moment

basically, what do they gain as wolf to keep me alive? do they do that?

this also further proves esooa/hk never w/w, because although esooa pushed for jack, not killing me made hk more killable.

also esooa still wants to kill hk.

also mac/hk has voted on esooa together

[risiinq-]

hmm, i wonder if i can solve this with associatives.

[risiinq-]

see the other problem with santy i have is that suddenly his progression on me makes 0 sense whatsoever and its whats making me so uneasy on him

theres a v real possibility he could be a wolf and like
doesn't know how to deal with my slot bcuz he knows im a needed mishang but that he's been shielding me for the whole game

and really his explanation isn't all that passing but yaknow. i'm trying to be objective as well because his earlier posts were really. really. townie

so if i need to want to wolfread him i need to get over those. i havent yet

[risiinq-]

i want santy to answer his own question though. does he think hk/snow/santy v/v/v is possible? if so, can he create a worldview that is plausible? i found myself struggling, but it's possible santy can do better bcuz he has read this game more and knows it more

at the same time, i feel like he's leading up to an hk v read and it's making me really confused :/

who do you even scumread now @santygrass
you went for neon but now ur like neon pushing me is towny

[Sabiplz]

I hate all of this

[Sabiplz]

Not your posts rising

[santygrass]

i want santy to answer his own question though. does he think hk/snow/santy v/v/v is possible? if so, can he create a worldview that is plausible? i found myself struggling, but it's possible santy can do better bcuz he has read this game more and knows it more

at the same time, i feel like he's leading up to an hk v read and it's making me really confused :/

who do you even scumread now @santygrass
you went for neon but now ur like neon pushing me is towny

Rn I think its possible, yes. At start I was ffeling like Hk/Neon > Wilgs was like almost game winning. Now I feel like I took my worldview and smashed it with a bat, and want to start from scratch.

If I would have to shoot someone rn It would still be hk, but not feeling confident that they are the answer as I should feel like at this point in the game

[santygrass]

Not your posts rising

So you only hate me. Very kind <3

[risiinq-]

Not your posts rising

thanks. i feel better now

[risiinq-]

i want santy to answer his own question though. does he think hk/snow/santy v/v/v is possible? if so, can he create a worldview that is plausible? i found myself struggling, but it's possible santy can do better bcuz he has read this game more and knows it more

at the same time, i feel like he's leading up to an hk v read and it's making me really confused :/

who do you even scumread now @santygrass
you went for neon but now ur like neon pushing me is towny

Rn I think its possible, yes. At start I was ffeling like Hk/Neon > Wilgs was like almost game winning. Now I feel like I took my worldview and smashed it with a bat, and want to start from scratch.

If I would have to shoot someone rn It would still be hk, but not feeling confident that they are the answer as I should feel like at this point in the game

can u try to make a coherent worldview off of that?

[Sabiplz]

Not your posts rising

thanks. i feel better now

The game didn't show me. The new page so. I was. Like I hate this because game is stuck

[Sabiplz]

Not your posts rising

So you only hate me. Very kind <3

I don't hate you.

I'm just very confused atm

[santygrass]

i want santy to answer his own question though. does he think hk/snow/santy v/v/v is possible? if so, can he create a worldview that is plausible? i found myself struggling, but it's possible santy can do better bcuz he has read this game more and knows it more

at the same time, i feel like he's leading up to an hk v read and it's making me really confused :/

who do you even scumread now @santygrass
you went for neon but now ur like neon pushing me is towny

Rn I think its possible, yes. At start I was ffeling like Hk/Neon > Wilgs was like almost game winning. Now I feel like I took my worldview and smashed it with a bat, and want to start from scratch.

If I would have to shoot someone rn It would still be hk, but not feeling confident that they are the answer as I should feel like at this point in the game

can u try to make a coherent worldview off of that?

Thats what I am trying to figure out , yeah.

Looking at Esooa/Lily/Wilgz/Porscha there prob the most

[santygrass]

Feel like what I am going to do is ISO ris and get confidence on the read back.
ISO Jack/Nook and see if there is a worldview possible in wherr Hk/ris are both Villa too

[Esooa]

esooa also disappeared, apparently

dont blame her though. its just. im also not sure about me townreading her rn.

it's been a very hesitant thing and i'm going to be pretty upset if i backtracked on it and it cost

I've been reading posts like once every 8 hours I just literally do not care, HK should be dying and the entire day is for some reason spent on nothing but Santy

[Sabiplz]

Sooooo where is @Tonystarkprime

[Sabiplz]

He's not giving me town Wilgz vibes with how he just disappeared and hasn't tried to solve

[Esooa]

NONE OF THIS IS SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING I LOOKED FOR BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR NOTHING

current votes:

Santy: neon, porscha, sabi, lily
HK: santy, esooa, risiing
risiinq: HK

does it make MORE sense if two wolves are on me saying "hk is wolf and even if not he has to die" or does it make LESS sense?

I think the longer the game goes the more I can't be a wolf, if I don't go over here today and Santy is town I expect the dialog tomorrow to be "HK was protected, kill him then kill on the santy wagon" but like I've shown today that I'm not someone worth protecting. I haven't participated, haven't solved, haven't done much of anything at all.

Partially b/c I'm lazy and bad, partially because I scored a PS5, and partially because it stops the narrative of "HK was protected" because again, haven't done shit to protect, there's no reason. The wolf team, if I am a wolf, should have been busing me from D2 onward, even D1 after my outburst.

which would indicate to me that either Santy is a hit OR Santy is the "protect risiinq" wagon.

Now if Santy is NOT a hit I think it's more likely that risiinq IS a hit AND ALSO that there's a wolf on the Santy wagon, of which Sabi makes the least sense (watch it be sabi), then Porscha, then probs a tossup between neon/lily, neither of which I really have a read on.

If Santy IS a hit I'm torn. On the one hand having a wolf there makes sense, and it might be Neon then. But having a wolf be off wagon is also fine here as the "off wagon" is the policy chop that's been hanging on for days now.

UGH. I don't think you can say anything concrete if Santy is a hit. I think you can if Santy isn't a hit.

If Santy is a hit I do not think there are two wolves on my wagon. Which I said above.

game is hard, mafia is dumb, etc etc

@risiinq- I cant go into detail since Im going to work rn and am late. But the insight here and the fact that them just didnt switch to me rn talk to me about a towny approach being possible here

that post is senseless lmao

The idea that a wolf would be on you, the idea he's getting that Risiinq is a wolf to begin with for the reasons he's given, laden assumption of 1 in Santy/Risiinq, him saying he should have been bussed if a wolf when the flipped wolf literally was pushing him all day 2, that's just from my glance of it because it was not at all convincing to me

[Sabiplz]

No but seriously am I the only one sussing tsp

[Sabiplz]

Maybe I am

[santygrass]

Didnt youbjad Wilg as obvtown? What changed?

[santygrass]

Didnt you had Wilg as obvtown? What changed?

EBWOP

[Sabiplz]

Didnt youbjad Wilg as obvtown? What changed?

The fact his posting was dropping off. I was having doubts d3 about him. Then his weird push on Jack didn't help.

[Sabiplz]

Him not explaining his neon push as well.

[santygrass]

NONE OF THIS IS SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING I LOOKED FOR BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR NOTHING

current votes:

Santy: neon, porscha, sabi, lily
HK: santy, esooa, risiing
risiinq: HK

does it make MORE sense if two wolves are on me saying "hk is wolf and even if not he has to die" or does it make LESS sense?

I think the longer the game goes the more I can't be a wolf, if I don't go over here today and Santy is town I expect the dialog tomorrow to be "HK was protected, kill him then kill on the santy wagon" but like I've shown today that I'm not someone worth protecting. I haven't participated, haven't solved, haven't done much of anything at all.

Partially b/c I'm lazy and bad, partially because I scored a PS5, and partially because it stops the narrative of "HK was protected" because again, haven't done shit to protect, there's no reason. The wolf team, if I am a wolf, should have been busing me from D2 onward, even D1 after my outburst.

which would indicate to me that either Santy is a hit OR Santy is the "protect risiinq" wagon.

Now if Santy is NOT a hit I think it's more likely that risiinq IS a hit AND ALSO that there's a wolf on the Santy wagon, of which Sabi makes the least sense (watch it be sabi), then Porscha, then probs a tossup between neon/lily, neither of which I really have a read on.

If Santy IS a hit I'm torn. On the one hand having a wolf there makes sense, and it might be Neon then. But having a wolf be off wagon is also fine here as the "off wagon" is the policy chop that's been hanging on for days now.

UGH. I don't think you can say anything concrete if Santy is a hit. I think you can if Santy isn't a hit.

If Santy is a hit I do not think there are two wolves on my wagon. Which I said above.

game is hard, mafia is dumb, etc etc

@risiinq- I cant go into detail since Im going to work rn and am late. But the insight here and the fact that them just didnt switch to me rn talk to me about a towny approach being possible here

that post is senseless lmao

The idea that a wolf would be on you, the idea he's getting that Risiinq is a wolf to begin with for the reasons he's given, laden assumption of 1 in Santy/Risiinq, him saying he should have been bussed if a wolf when the flipped wolf literally was pushing him all day 2, that's just from my glance of it because it was not at all convincing to me

I think what he says about me/ris being both wolves and being on him being unlikely is a fair assesment, and the diff check between ris/me in the end is something that Make sense to think . And the fact that he is staying on ris rather than going to me I feel like its Rand>V
And they arent saying that they should've been bussed, they are saying that they dont have anyone protecting them as a Wolf

[hollowkatt]

NONE OF THIS IS SUPPORTED BY ANYTHING I LOOKED FOR BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR NOTHING

current votes:

Santy: neon, porscha, sabi, lily
HK: santy, esooa, risiing
risiinq: HK

does it make MORE sense if two wolves are on me saying "hk is wolf and even if not he has to die" or does it make LESS sense?

I think the longer the game goes the more I can't be a wolf, if I don't go over here today and Santy is town I expect the dialog tomorrow to be "HK was protected, kill him then kill on the santy wagon" but like I've shown today that I'm not someone worth protecting. I haven't participated, haven't solved, haven't done much of anything at all.

Partially b/c I'm lazy and bad, partially because I scored a PS5, and partially because it stops the narrative of "HK was protected" because again, haven't done shit to protect, there's no reason. The wolf team, if I am a wolf, should have been busing me from D2 onward, even D1 after my outburst.

which would indicate to me that either Santy is a hit OR Santy is the "protect risiinq" wagon.

Now if Santy is NOT a hit I think it's more likely that risiinq IS a hit AND ALSO that there's a wolf on the Santy wagon, of which Sabi makes the least sense (watch it be sabi), then Porscha, then probs a tossup between neon/lily, neither of which I really have a read on.

If Santy IS a hit I'm torn. On the one hand having a wolf there makes sense, and it might be Neon then. But having a wolf be off wagon is also fine here as the "off wagon" is the policy chop that's been hanging on for days now.

UGH. I don't think you can say anything concrete if Santy is a hit. I think you can if Santy isn't a hit.

If Santy is a hit I do not think there are two wolves on my wagon. Which I said above.

game is hard, mafia is dumb, etc etc

@risiinq- I cant go into detail since Im going to work rn and am late. But the insight here and the fact that them just didnt switch to me rn talk to me about a towny approach being possible here

that post is senseless lmao

The idea that a wolf would be on you, the idea he's getting that Risiinq is a wolf to begin with for the reasons he's given, laden assumption of 1 in Santy/Risiinq, him saying he should have been bussed if a wolf when the flipped wolf literally was pushing him all day 2, that's just from my glance of it because it was not at all convincing to me

I can't possibly care any less

[Sabiplz]

Maybe we should all try to care more

[Sabiplz]

I'm so bored and no one wants to solve and it's just ugh

[hollowkatt]

tbh there's not much solving left to do until we have a flip of either me or santy, or people come back to risiinq

[Sabiplz]

tbh there's not much solving left to do until we have a flip of either me or santy, or people come back to risiinq

True. The lack of hammers is killing us and our motivations

[hollowkatt]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

[hollowkatt]

and even then that's pretty much thread consensus so meh

[Sabiplz]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

[hollowkatt]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

[Alison]

I am holding a vote to make day phases 24 hours. Please let me know your vote privately and do not discuss it in the thread. The day phase will only change if everyone alive agrees.

[Sabiplz]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

[Sabiplz]

OK I'm bored and want to do excerises

If santy flips w then who

If santy flips V then who

[Sabiplz]

If HK flips w then who

If HK flips V then who

[Sabiplz]

If snowy flips w then who

If snowy flips V then who

[hollowkatt]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

very little.
like the fighting early in the game, then the onset of thread depression makes omgus not really worth much, we're all very much sleepwalking through this game the last couple days with a few people popping up making a case and then we argue about it.
OMGUS "works" better when the thread is active but healthy.
So I can totally see town esooa going "i just want to kill HK and then figure things out from there", I think a few people likely would go along with that concept.
I can also see wolf esooa going "HK needs to die because the more he lives the harder it will be to kill him" and then parking and calling it "HK is a wolf resolve the D1 wagons"

Especially if you want to go along with the idea of "ender was the mistake made to keep HK alive" though again I would hard press anyone who made that argument to answer "why would the wolf team protect HK on D1"

[Sabiplz]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

@hollowkatt I'm asking because I voted for you last eod instead of Jack and snowy. I don't egt why you are not upset at me over that

[Sabiplz]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

very little.
like the fighting early in the game, then the onset of thread depression makes omgus not really worth much, we're all very much sleepwalking through this game the last couple days with a few people popping up making a case and then we argue about it.
OMGUS "works" better when the thread is active but healthy.
So I can totally see town esooa going "i just want to kill HK and then figure things out from there", I think a few people likely would go along with that concept.
I can also see wolf esooa going "HK needs to die because the more he lives the harder it will be to kill him" and then parking and calling it "HK is a wolf resolve the D1 wagons"

Especially if you want to go along with the idea of "ender was the mistake made to keep HK alive" though again I would hard press anyone who made that argument to answer "why would the wolf team protect HK on D1"

This is pretty nuanced. I will take it into consideration

[Sabiplz]

Vagina

[hollowkatt]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

@hollowkatt I'm asking because I voted for you last eod instead of Jack and snowy. I don't egt why you are not upset at me over that

I dunno, I'm just not.
Mostly because you've been... respectful isn't the right word but it's the best one I can come up with at the moment. Given the choice between myself, jack, and snowy yesterday I can see why you'd go me over the other two.
Today though the people voting me seem... disinterested in how I'm going to flip.
Esooa is convinced I'm a wolf. GTH i'd say snowy is on me because I'm on them.

[Sabiplz]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

@hollowkatt I'm asking because I voted for you last eod instead of Jack and snowy. I don't egt why you are not upset at me over that

I dunno, I'm just not.
Mostly because you've been... respectful isn't the right word but it's the best one I can come up with at the moment. Given the choice between myself, jack, and snowy yesterday I can see why you'd go me over the other two.
Today though the people voting me seem... disinterested in how I'm going to flip.
Esooa is convinced I'm a wolf. GTH i'd say snowy is on me because I'm on them.

What about santy

[hollowkatt]

ain't that the truth.
my only real legacy is never a wolf in Sabi/Porscha

HK can you explain why you had me and Porscha as never wolves, somewhere during D3 you had Esooa as never wolf, and now you dropped Esooa and added Porscha back in. While I'm the only consistent person.

Explain how your thoughts changed on both Porscha and esooa

I don't think I ever dropped Porscha as never wolf, just didn't talk about it for a while.
Esooa I thought could never be paired with Mac after how they fought in thread. Now I'm torn on Esooa because I feel like she's content to focus on getting me over the line while not really paying much attention (or lip service) to other possibilities.

That makes sense. How much of this is omgus fueled?

@hollowkatt I'm asking because I voted for you last eod instead of Jack and snowy. I don't egt why you are not upset at me over that

I dunno, I'm just not.
Mostly because you've been... respectful isn't the right word but it's the best one I can come up with at the moment. Given the choice between myself, jack, and snowy yesterday I can see why you'd go me over the other two.
Today though the people voting me seem... disinterested in how I'm going to flip.
Esooa is convinced I'm a wolf. GTH i'd say snowy is on me because I'm on them.

What about santy

That's a great question and one I don't have a good answer for. Give me about 30 minutes and I'll have one though

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sooooo where is @Tonystarkprime

i forgot

[TonyStarkPrime]

He's not giving me town Wilgz vibes with how he just disappeared and hasn't tried to solve

what are you talking about i have already solved the game