The Syndicate

Night 9 has ended.

bcornett24 has been killed by Thank You for Sending Me an Angel.
Epignosis has been killed by Psycho Killer.
Matt F has been killed by Psycho Killer.

It is now Day 10. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Order of operations:

Lynch Metalmarsh
Lynch Choutas
Celebrate a town victory

Lol at Epig and Matt getting NK'd by Psycho Killer.

RIP y'all if you were good guys. I guess I don't have to do that Matt case now. :P

That's a serious loss of contribution in one fell swoop. We're all going to have to pick up the slack in their absences. If you're town, you have the ability to show that by drowning the remaining baddies in overwhelming effort. The more action this thread sees, the more difficult we make their lives in the late game. Even if you don't trust me, this is fundamental mafia and I assure you this is the time to play your hardest. I will do my part -- if those guys that just died were town, they deserve to win with the town. The poured themselves into this game.

Strawhenge wrote:Order of operations:

Lynch Metalmarsh
Lynch Choutas
Celebrate a town victory

How are we to know you're not a scum player pretending to have damning evidence on people which you can use to generate multiple errant lynches and push the game towards LyLo?

I think I am going to try to clean slate everyone and fully reassess with all known information in hand. There aren't that many names left and I don't think any reads are clear cut right now.

Gotta do my laundry for the first time in two weeks first though. :P

All 11 players are on the poll. It's possible one of the deadies was targeted by Take Me to the River.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:RIP y'all if you were good guys. I guess I don't have to do that Matt case now. :P

That's a serious loss of contribution in one fell swoop. We're all going to have to pick up the slack in their absences. If you're town, you have the ability to show that by drowning the remaining baddies in overwhelming effort. The more action this thread sees, the more difficult we make their lives in the late game. Even if you don't trust me, this is fundamental mafia and I assure you this is the time to play your hardest. I will do my part -- if those guys that just died were town, they deserve to win with the town. The poured themselves into this game.

I also support this statement.

Oh geez, 3 deaths. RIPIYWG, all.

I still support a motel room lynch, but The Men With Matching Starting Consonants (MM and JJJ) are right that the more we talk, the better off we'll be. I'll read the players I haven't today and try to keep an open mind about everyone.

RadicalFuzz

Partially so I can see the poll.

Voted Choutas for now.

Everyone needs to keep this in mind:
Assuming that 2 will die every cycle from here on out, we have 2 cycles of not killing scum until lylo, if there are 3 scum. 3 phases till lylo, if there are 2.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:Order of operations:

Lynch Metalmarsh
Lynch Choutas
Celebrate a town victory

How are we to know you're not a scum player pretending to have damning evidence on people which you can use to generate multiple errant lynches and push the game towards LyLo?

How are we to know anything? (insert smiley of the shit-eatingest grin ever, which also has an extremely twitchy eye)

I have no damning evidence. I'm just damn adamant about it. I feel like I might be able to actually do a Marsh case, during which I'll point out the things I feel make him the most suspicious.

Choutas is more of a gut-read thing.

Also, just saying, your call-to-action about, 'Hey guys let's all participate so much that we drown scum in a deluge of posts' could also be interpreted as, 'Let's make it super challenging for everybody in this late phase of the game to commit to the time and effort of finding the remaining scum.' Just a thought.

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Choutas for now.

Everyone needs to keep this in mind:
Assuming that 2 will die every cycle from here on out, we have 2 cycles of not killing scum until lylo, if there are 3 scum. 3 phases till lylo, if there are 2.

Why would two players die every cycle? How do you know that? Scum only kill every other night.

Also, no one has answered me this entire game about why some people are so sure that the SK has only killed townies. Why the [censored]ing [censored] are some people so certain of this? Answer me dammit. What are the odds that...

HamburgerBoy
FZ.
Golden
Epignosis
Matt F

...were all town? But more importantly, why is everyone but me not even considering that the SK could have killed scum?

But seriously, Wilgy, how do you know two people will die every night phase?

Straw, there was a discussion not that long ago about Burger potentially being mafia. In any event we can't know and I think caution is adviseable.

Oh, okay. I must've missed that. Jay, what do you think about the sirengifworthy thing I just lobbed at Wigly?

And why are you never listed in the 'Users browsing this forum:' thing at the bottom?

:o

:O

:U

Strawhenge wrote:Oh, okay. I must've missed that. Jay, what do you think about the sirengifworthy thing I just lobbed at Wigly?

Perhaps alarming if it turns out accurate, perhaps just a guy preparing for the worst case scenario. It didn't trigger my scumdar. I don't tend to operate in the sirengif arena though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:I don't tend to operate in the sirengif arena though.

Well then here I go, off to write that hit song, 'Alone In my Principles.'

Strawhenge wrote:And why are you never listed in the 'Users browsing this forum:' thing at the bottom?

:o

:O

:U

When I joined The Syndicate I set myself to invisible. I think it's out of the spirit of the game to attack people just because they are visible online. Ideally everyone would be invisible in my opinion.

Gotcha. I should've out that in OT green; I didn't intend it as a serious point of suspicion.

Strawhenge wrote:Why would two players die every cycle? How do you know that? Scum only kill every other night.

Lynch and psycho killer. Two is the minimum, unless we manage to kill SK.

Are there any players you think should be off the table for this lynch, Straw?

Marsh is off the poll. This would be an ideal time to case Choutas, Straw.

._.

marsh is off the lynch poll omg what am i gonna do

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Are there any players you think should be off the table for this lynch, Straw?

At this point, no. I think y'all are scum. Every last one of you.

Nah, but really, everyone has given me reason to think they're anti-town. Maybe Russti the least so, but that's based on a gut read I had about six, seven years ago.

And yeah, I guess I'll look at Choutas. Effin' Take Me to the River effed up, taking Marsh off the poll. (If that's what happened.)

Alright, stupid laundry is finished. I have a little time to do some work in this game before I head to bed. I'm going to make my best effort to place everyone in the game at a totally clean slate (acknowledging that biases from developed perspectives are difficult to shed) and reassess each player in the game with all known information in mind. It's likely that these posts will be quite large because I am going to be scanning each ISO with a fine-toothed comb. I'll include a conclusion at the end of each which will function as a "TL;DR" section. I'll start from the bottom alphabetically.

I don't demand that everyone read every word I produce in this exercise, but I would encourage everyone to at least pay attention to the conclusions. I want to field real discussion about this content -- town's only chance is to play with a sense of urgency and to stay motivated. I don't endorse a torrential downpouring of posts that will make the thread impossible to keep up with; I endorse everyone doing their homework based on the wealth of information already available to us in this thread.

We've all been playing this game for nearly a month. Wouldn't it be nice to win it? Even if you haven't put literally 1,000 posts into this game like I have, I know you've all put something into it. If you're on my side, I want your hard work to pay off. I really appreciate that everyone has really put so much into the game and I hope we can bring it home.

If you're inherently unnerved or annoyed by me being a cheesy motivational speaker, I'm sorry. This is just who I am not only as a player but also as a person in general. I have a team out there somewhere and I want this as much for you folks as I do for myself. Let's go.

A little something for the people who have expressed suspicion of Choutas a Psycho Killer candidate:

Choutas as a Last Man Standing rogue in RYM #39

This game was three years ago, so take any conclusions you may draw with a grain of salt. I haven't made the comparison myself, but the thought occurred to me that this is available so I figured I might as well put it here.

Strawhenge wrote:._.

marsh is off the lynch poll omg what am i gonna do

I don't think I've ever been removed from the lynch poll before. Now I'm off the poll in two games at once.

I am being more thorough in this ISO than I ever have been in any Mafia post ever. I have a serious problem with this game and should probably never play again.

How soon can we expect this/these ISO's?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How soon can we expect this/these ISO's?

Sometime in mid November. I'll probably only finish this one tonight. The rest will come tomorrow night most likely, barring distractions or disruptions.

Nobody should be waiting for me of course. Produce your own reads, y'all.

I'll stare at the vote records until my eyes bleed then.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'll stare at the vote records until my eyes bleed then.

If you have the time and motivation, you could try to compile voting records beyond just final votes. If I have one clear analytic weakness, it's figuring out how to judge voting records -- and that's when I focus on just final votes. I definitely want to hear your thoughts on everyone's votes.

I thought about it several days ago. Unfortunately, I couldn't come up with a good way of recording them for easy scrutiny.

Aapje had this excellent graph method he utilized in Recruitment. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to recreate it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Alright, stupid laundry is finished. I have a little time to do some work in this game before I head to bed. I'm going to make my best effort to place everyone in the game at a totally clean slate (acknowledging that biases from developed perspectives are difficult to shed) and reassess each player in the game with all known information in mind. It's likely that these posts will be quite large because I am going to be scanning each ISO with a fine-toothed comb. I'll include a conclusion at the end of each which will function as a "TL;DR" section. I'll start from the bottom alphabetically.

I don't demand that everyone read every word I produce in this exercise, but I would encourage everyone to at least pay attention to the conclusions. I want to field real discussion about this content -- town's only chance is to play with a sense of urgency and to stay motivated. I don't endorse a torrential downpouring of posts that will make the thread impossible to keep up with; I endorse everyone doing their homework based on the wealth of information already available to us in this thread.

We've all been playing this game for nearly a month. Wouldn't it be nice to win it? Even if you haven't put literally 1,000 posts into this game like I have, I know you've all put something into it. If you're on my side, I want your hard work to pay off. I really appreciate that everyone has really put so much into the game and I hope we can bring it home.

If you're inherently unnerved or annoyed by me being a cheesy motivational speaker, I'm sorry. This is just who I am not only as a player but also as a person in general. I have a team out there somewhere and I want this as much for you folks as I do for myself. Let's go.

Hahaha, oh my god, if you're scum, I can see you pointing back to this post and laughing at all of us.

Strawhenge, if he's scum, don't let him laugh at us.

I wouldn't laugh at people, that's mean. I think being a townie is harder than being scum, especially in complex setups like this one. Besides, I'm trying to pour my heart and soul into this game in a way that is visible to all of you. Winning as a townie is the best feeling Mafia has to offer in my opinion, and I want to get us there.

Frankly I am probably setting an impossible standard for the next time I am a bad guy, but whatever I'll deal with that when the time comes.

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ there's a relationship between you, and several other players. Some are dead now, but I'm pretty sure you established that relationship. I want to know from you why those players.

Coutas, there's no bad accusations there, nor would I want someone to break the rules. Kind of insulted that you think I would do that. Breaking game rules is something I wouldn't do. It hurts the game for everyone, and that's not why we play. Let's think "logically" as you would like. If you were really wanting to bait mafia. Why reveal the bait as bait? If there was actual purpose behind it that could've been used as scumbait, why revoke it? I see it as you going "Oh sheet, this was a bad Idea, so lol jk it was bait." Also, I still don't know what makes those two responses townier. I don't know what about responding to that bait makes them look townier. Elaborate on that. I think this is the 4th time I've asked you that specifically and you haven't answered.

You seem to be overly worried about the case itself. I don't know half of what your previous post is referencing, and I would just like some direction as to what you are responding to.

Also, why do you keep backtracking? I thought I had responded to all inquiry, but I KNOW for a fact that I asked for everyone to use my name in a post if they had questions to ask me questions or if I missed something. How are percentages on the LC lynch relevant to this conversation?

They aren't but you clearly haven't responded to them. You can't accuse me of not responding to your proddings when you clearly have ignored other players. OK let's end that.
You might have a point for the timing of my reveal but if you think I considered Rico as one of my suspects at the time. It yield results to me, it helped Rico get townier points from me for the response. As to why the responses look townie to me it's because a scum wouldn't respond to my post. If a scum came out and said "I think you were targeted" it would be fessing up. He/She would be still and ignore my post. A townie is more likely to claim his towniest read as the possible victim.

bullzeye. More after I'm done catching up.

Strawhenge wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Choutas for now.

Everyone needs to keep this in mind:
Assuming that 2 will die every cycle from here on out, we have 2 cycles of not killing scum until lylo, if there are 3 scum. 3 phases till lylo, if there are 2.

Why would two players die every cycle? How do you know that? Scum only kill every other night.

Also, no one has answered me this entire game about why some people are so sure that the SK has only killed townies. Why the [censored]ing [censored] are some people so certain of this? Answer me dammit. What are the odds that...

HamburgerBoy
FZ.
Golden
Epignosis
Matt F

...were all town? But more importantly, why is everyone but me not even considering that the SK could have killed scum?

To be honest out of all the guys my money is on Matt F. Epignosis was a primary SK candidate but got smoked by the SK oh the irony. Matt F started getting in my scum radar yesterday when I was revisiting older posts and he did become an orange read(he was yellow).