The Syndicate

Okay then never mind.

Listen y'all. I see I am in the red on many of your lists. I'm not very good at keeping up in big games. In fact, if you are not already aware, I vowed not to play them anymore. However, as a favor to MP, because he is an awesome guy, I am here. I am here to give be another vote for the civs. So, please, tell me who I can vote for and I will. I am not a bad guy. I'm here to help.

Sloonei wrote:I don't think we should be content to assume that Turnip Head was not lynched for the obvious reason. There could be a number of possible explanations for yesterday's lack of results.

Like what?

Elohcin wrote:Listen y'all. I see I am in the red on many of your lists. I'm not very good at keeping up in big games. In fact, if you are not already aware, I vowed not to play them anymore. However, as a favor to MP, because he is an awesome guy, I am here. I am here to give be another vote for the civs. So, please, tell me who I can vote for and I will. I am not a bad guy. I'm here to help.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's not easy being you in this game right now. It'll take some time to get your footing.

Black Rock wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Listen y'all. I see I am in the red on many of your lists. I'm not very good at keeping up in big games. In fact, if you are not already aware, I vowed not to play them anymore. However, as a favor to MP, because he is an awesome guy, I am here. I am here to give be another vote for the civs. So, please, tell me who I can vote for and I will. I am not a bad guy. I'm here to help.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's not easy being you in this game right now. It'll take some time to get your footing.

Thank you.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't think we should be content to assume that Turnip Head was not lynched for the obvious reason. There could be a number of possible explanations for yesterday's lack of results.

Like what?

My first thought was that perhaps he's the warden and the warden can't be arrested. That role description is extremely vague and could entail just about anything. If not that, perhaps there is some other behind the scenes mechanic that can stop a lynch from happening. I'm not sure I believe either of these possibilities are what prevented the lynch, but I'm not ruling things out.

Im sorry for my low participation but I just dont really know what I should talk about at this point. One of my main scum reads(Boomslang) is most likely getting lynched and Im fine with that. But if anyone has questions to me or anything I will be happy to answer obviously.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't think we should be content to assume that Turnip Head was not lynched for the obvious reason. There could be a number of possible explanations for yesterday's lack of results.

Like what?

My first thought was that perhaps he's the warden and the warden can't be arrested. That role description is extremely vague and could entail just about anything. If not that, perhaps there is some other behind the scenes mechanic that can stop a lynch from happening. I'm not sure I believe either of these possibilities are what prevented the lynch, but I'm not ruling things out.

I would like to hear more of his thoughts, etc. once he is more caught up. Looking at his vote history, it did not make me feel wonderful to have him push suspicion at BR. I would like to hear his opinions on the other people we have been suspecting.

I have always been an Occams razor fan, but I hope to see him join the core group before I just carte blanche him based on not being lynched. It would be neither an MP nor a Daisy game if everything was what it seemed.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't think we should be content to assume that Turnip Head was not lynched for the obvious reason. There could be a number of possible explanations for yesterday's lack of results.

Like what?

My first thought was that perhaps he's the warden and the warden can't be arrested. That role description is extremely vague and could entail just about anything. If not that, perhaps there is some other behind the scenes mechanic that can stop a lynch from happening. I'm not sure I believe either of these possibilities are what prevented the lynch, but I'm not ruling things out.

I think you're reading too much into it. It couldn't be the former, because if town loses the ability to kill, that would give the warden complete immunity and break the game. I think it was vague owing to to all of the parole stuff that went on. It could be the second, but there's nothing tangible to make any assumptions with. I think it's just what it is.

You saying that makes me more likely to think Sloonei may have a point.

We have had games with unlynchable baddies. It didn't break the game.

ebwop, I so don't trust you.

S~V~S wrote:You saying that makes me more likely to think Sloonei may have a point.

We have had games with unlynchable baddies. It didn't break the game.

And how did town win in said game with unlynchable baddies, hmm?

S~V~S wrote:ebwop, I so don't trust you.

Yes, I think everybody knew that.

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You saying that makes me more likely to think Sloonei may have a point.

We have had games with unlynchable baddies. It didn't break the game.

And how did town win in said game with unlynchable baddies, hmm?

They got NKed.

And I say "they"cause I have seen unlynchable bads in more than one game. I have primarily seen "can't be lynched until the other team members are dead" but it is not the only option.

Now Iam NOT saying I think TH is one of these; I want to hear from him.

And people i don't trust discounting speculation on this topic makes me want to trust him less not more.

S~V~S wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You saying that makes me more likely to think Sloonei may have a point.

We have had games with unlynchable baddies. It didn't break the game.

And how did town win in said game with unlynchable baddies, hmm?

They got NKed.

That was Quin's point though. If town loses its capacity for night killing, then eliminating the unlynchable baddie would become impossible. It might make more sense (barely, it sounds like a really bad practice for balance) in a game with multiple baddie teams, but this is no such thing.

I think it's inherently stubborn to have a clear explanation for what happened available and just doubt that it offers the correct answer because of prior suspicions. I think we were just wrong and that's that. Y'all can obviously speculate as you please on alternative possibilities, but if there's some kind of secret mechanism to prevent a baddie from getting lynched, then that would upset the entire balance of this game and almost render it bastardized.

I think it is likely, but I want to hear from TH first.

S~V~S wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You saying that makes me more likely to think Sloonei may have a point.

We have had games with unlynchable baddies. It didn't break the game.

And how did town win in said game with unlynchable baddies, hmm?

They got NKed.

Okay, and as we return to my point about players being able to NK potentially all being arrested, we come to the flaw in your claim.

S~V~S wrote:And people i don't trust discounting speculation on this topic makes me want to trust him less not more.

Soo... what? You want to me just stop giving my input? Wait for everyone to mislynch me? Sounds reasonable. I mean, you're the experienced one here.

@Quin, if you could stop with the snark it might help. Apparently you don;t like me,and that is OK. but can you tone it back? It isn;t helping me read.

thellama73 has been arrested by the Police. He was ?????.

indiglo has been arrested by the Police. She was ?????.

It is now Day 8.

You have 48 hours to find a policeman. Good luck, goons!

Oh crap, not Indi

I had mixed feelings re Llama. Since we don't know how the prisoner mechanic works (like if the Warden arrests a cop, what is the implication?) Iamnot going toassume he was a civ, since I think that people who were not civ have been arrested in the past.

I hope to hear some sensible things from TH today

Hosts:

If you're able/willing to answer: when the police chief's double-arrest ability takes effect, does he/she have free choice over who the second player arrested is?

S~V~S wrote:@Quin, if you could stop with the snark it might help. Apparently you don;t like me,and that is OK. but can you tone it back? It isn;t helping me read.

I never said I didn't like you. Frankly, I do not like the way you are playing this game, but that doesn't say anything about you as a person.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hosts:

If you're able/willing to answer: when the police chief's double-arrest ability takes effect, does he/she have free choice over who the second player arrested is?

Yes.

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:@Quin, if you could stop with the snark it might help. Apparently you don;t like me,and that is OK. but can you tone it back? It isn;t helping me read.

I never said I didn't like you. Frankly, I do not like the way you are playing this game, but that doesn't say anything about you as a person.

I am playing it as a 100% civ. Sorry that is an issue for you.

Assuming llama was specifically chosen for the kill by the chief, my immediate inclination is to assume it was intended to frame Quin, who has enough enemies remaining in the thread that him just killing a threat isn't a strategically viable solution as a baddie. indiglo being killed was likely the result of her being well out of lynch territory.

If you're a highly-trusted player and you're not dead, I recommend you re-calibrate your reads. Someone is probably letting you stick around because they expect you to do something detrimental to your team.

I want to vote for somebody who voted Turnip yesterday. I have absolutely no doubt that he is a don, and since there's an unknown player who avoided police arrest, there's a 50 percent chance that the police know this as well. It explains why they didn't try to arrest Turnip last night, because a confirmed don is not a good thing.

My preferences in this include chaindeath, Black Rock and Elohcin.

Of course, I'd also vote for Boomslang if that's where everyone wants to go.

We have nearly unkillable townies in the form of the Dons, so I don't consider an unlynchable bad guy to be out of the question or game-breaking. I know there is nothing directly pointing toward this, but it's not improbable either.

Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Sloonei wrote:Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Is that what we have to do?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Assuming llama was specifically chosen for the kill by the chief, my immediate inclination is to assume it was intended to frame Quin, who has enough enemies remaining in the thread that him just killing a threat isn't a strategically viable solution as a baddie. indiglo being killed was likely the result of her being well out of lynch territory.

If you're a highly-trusted player and you're not dead, I recommend you re-calibrate your reads. Someone is probably letting you stick around because they expect you to do something detrimental to your team.

I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched. I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Still amazed you're still around.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Is that what we have to do?

No, but he was supposed to be killed during the night but that didn't happen.

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Is that what we have to do?

No, but he was supposed to be killed during the night but that didn't happen.

I think the daisy family is the only one that still has a hitman, so unless both the hitman and don were inactive, I think it's safe to say that the hitman is probably arrested. So, if we're relying on night kills, we've still got the crew assuming they can still complete their missions.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Is that what we have to do?

No, but he was supposed to be killed during the night but that didn't happen.

You've been safe town trusted for a long while. Why do you think you've been left alive?

I'm voting chaindeath as a secondary lynch option. I think it's important to have one.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Linki: I guess we have to lynch Boomslang today

Is that what we have to do?

No, but he was supposed to be killed during the night but that didn't happen.

You've been safe town trusted for a long while. Why do you think you've been left alive?

Quin wrote:I'm voting chaindeath as a secondary lynch option. I think it's important to have one.

Good point. Why chaindeath?

Sloonei wrote:

Is your continued survival meaningful to you?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Is your continued survival meaningful to you?

It is.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Is your continued survival meaningful to you?

It is.

How?

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm voting chaindeath as a secondary lynch option. I think it's important to have one.

Good point. Why chaindeath?

Quin thinks chaindeath has ridden coattails throughout the entire game. A quick ISO of chaindeath allowed Quin to realise that he has not provided a single piece of evidence to justify scum or civ reads for any player, yet he has given reads on almost everybody at this point. Nerolunar is the exception, and his is only a very weak case that he keeps coming back to, but does not build upon. Quin feels as though chaindeaths posts are activity for activities sake. He has provided a few hypotheticals which are so outrageous that Quin is struggling to see any legitimate thought in them. Quin ultimately feels like chaindeath is just making up his game as he goes along.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Is your continued survival meaningful to you?

It is.

How?

The cops aren't trying to arrest me. They're targeting other people.

Sloonei wrote:The cops aren't trying to arrest me. They're targeting other people.

I don't get the impression you're even thinking about this.

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm voting chaindeath as a secondary lynch option. I think it's important to have one.

Good point. Why chaindeath?

Quin thinks chaindeath has ridden coattails throughout the entire game. A quick ISO of chaindeath allowed Quin to realise that he has not provided a single piece of evidence to justify scum or civ reads for any player, yet he has given reads on almost everybody at this point. Nerolunar is the exception, and his is only a very weak case that he keeps coming back to, but does not build upon. Quin feels as though chaindeaths posts are activity for activities sake. He has provided a few hypotheticals which are so outrageous that Quin is struggling to see any legitimate thought in them. Quin ultimately feels like chaindeath is just making up his game as he goes along.

I can see all of this being the signs of a townie who's just behind on the thread and unfamiliar with the environment. Of course, you'd be in those same shoes yourself, and I don't think anyone, chaindeath included, would argue that you haven't been more active than he has. I see a lot of "unfamiliar townie" hallmarks in the case against chaindeath, my own case included.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The cops aren't trying to arrest me. They're targeting other people.

I don't get the impression you're even thinking about this.

I am.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm voting chaindeath as a secondary lynch option. I think it's important to have one.

Good point. Why chaindeath?

Quin thinks chaindeath has ridden coattails throughout the entire game. A quick ISO of chaindeath allowed Quin to realise that he has not provided a single piece of evidence to justify scum or civ reads for any player, yet he has given reads on almost everybody at this point. Nerolunar is the exception, and his is only a very weak case that he keeps coming back to, but does not build upon. Quin feels as though chaindeaths posts are activity for activities sake. He has provided a few hypotheticals which are so outrageous that Quin is struggling to see any legitimate thought in them. Quin ultimately feels like chaindeath is just making up his game as he goes along.

I can see all of this being the signs of a townie who's just behind on the thread and unfamiliar with the environment. Of course, you'd be in those same shoes yourself, and I don't think anyone, chaindeath included, would argue that you haven't been more active than he has. I see a lot of "unfamiliar townie" hallmarks in the case against chaindeath, my own case included.

I can understand that way of thinking, but I feel better thinking about him being scum than civ.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.