Re: Game of Champions 2022 D2
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:29 am
More denial.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:01 am Mac has now decided to take my position on confbias mountain. I concede my crown
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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More denial.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:01 am Mac has now decided to take my position on confbias mountain. I concede my crown
Bargaining.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:03 am Actually I will admit I was trying to see what Nutella would do with my sus of ender and to her credit I think she Sussed me at the time for it
DepressionRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:08 am You are seeing what you want to see because game is hard and you want a win. unfortunately its not that easy to just pick the guy coming in with the most wim day 1. I get your pov but you are wrong
TestingRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
AcceptanceRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:19 am The effort alone though does lean me town Mac he is fired up and I love it
Hell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:30 amTestingRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
Testing realistic solutions. "He is convinced I'm mafia but maybe I can survive anyway by suggesting he shoot me or by tricking him into not voting me and hopefully someone else plods along as a wagon".RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:32 amHell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:30 amTestingRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
There is always a chance of survival this time its as townMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:33 amTesting realistic solutions. "He is convinced I'm mafia but maybe I can survive anyway by suggesting he shoot me or by tricking him into not voting me and hopefully someone else plods along as a wagon".RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:32 amHell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:30 amTestingRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird
Thanks. Keep this energy its great
Nah, I'm just enjoying watching you and Mac go at it.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:25 amNumber 3. Not worried about looking opportunistic to save your own neck today seanzie?
I hate literally everything Creature has done today and can not recall anyone town reading him and yet he has never recieved a vote. Curiouser and curiouser.
Makes sense thank youMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:01 amSabi was not dead and Rask tormented Sabi a great deal among other slots. Rask's biggest non deceased scumread by the end of day 1 though was Golden from what I was able to glean and while at times he suspected Marmot he had arrived at Marmot town.Neon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:57 amHmm the fact they are all flipped makes me feel less confident in Marmot wolf to think about itMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:34 pmWell Rask, Cape for 2. I think your day 1 pushes are mostly flipped town.
Why does wolf Marmot kill Rask at all? That's the mafia kill right?
However knowing how wolves choose night kills. Having directly called Marmot and Sabi w/w would be perceived as a threat regardless of a reeval on Marmot. If Marmot and Sabi truly are w/w that alone would be justification for choosing Rask for the nk regardless of the reeval because it would be perceived as something he's capable of arriving to again especially in the event that Sabi dies, which was likely given Neon was telegraphing it and others including myself were pushing Sabi.
Tl;dr the Rask kill makes more sense to come from. Marmot than anyone from the way I see it.
There's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:56 am @Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?
And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.
This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.
Me neither, i trust you are really busySeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:19 amHi Mac's second voter, I'm Seanzie.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:13 amMac's second voter (where he votes, I vote when i notice the change)Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:07 amMichelle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:59 pmWhy are you busy?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:56 pmHave you asked me a single time why I'm busy?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:30 pmHis responses to me were all shit. His iso is vacant of anything good. He shot ilario which could easily be a wolf motivated shot and there's already a lot of town kp. He has not contributed to solving in earnest. Many have lightly agreed with my concern about him and yet nobody will wagon there. Why is it so hard to gain momentum on this push. Because he's actual mafia and people would rather go along with the big wagon on marmot who is just busy and can solve like a beast when they have time.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:12 pm
My dear Nutella. Wonderful player that you are. If you believe this, help me FEEL that you do. I'm not feeling the fire behind this read. It just feels like very low effort shade, an attempt to persuade the inattentive masses to vote wantonly for a player without really offering any stakes. Do this for me and I may consider voting there.
Who are you? (this is a joke to myself because I honestly don't think I've seen a post from Michelle this game)
Because I got shiz to do.
It looked like you had something to tell us, but in fact you were just spamming
I'm not joking about the being busy thing.
You don’t know meUrist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:42 amThere's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:56 am @Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?
And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.
This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:51 am You don't have to see my every thought I have explained that I thought about it more and it makes no sense for wolf Ender to open on me day 1 like he did. He could get away with a d1 soft scum or null and coast till d3 or 4 before I cared. Instead he invites conflict. I had my doubts on that read overnight then decided I was being dumb and stuck to my guns. Tada magic. Its interesting that after you push me I defended and interest dies down you jump into my iso and try to get something quite normal and blow it up to reignite my wagon.
I don't see how town would have this mindset
I think there's just louder things happening right now. I've got the same feelings about porscha, but all in due time I s'pose
I have the opposite takeaway from svs’s cool demeanour. It’s not my memory that town svs has no discomfort from her wagon, she scrambles and reads people with suspicious eyes.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:05 am Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.
I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.
SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.
Something is definitely of with svs. Could be a wold, 3p or rl but there's something. And I hate calling her out, you know that.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:50 amBtw, how does your take on this shift in either direction if SVS flips each of t! and w!?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:28 am SVS wagon breakdown
Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.
Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.
Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.
Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.
Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".
So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.
I'm here. Fear not. Just busy yesterday.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:33 pmI have the opposite takeaway from svs’s cool demeanour. It’s not my memory that town svs has no discomfort from her wagon, she scrambles and reads people with suspicious eyes.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:05 am Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.
I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.
SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.
I will say I’ve also been shielding Kate was her quietness is beginning to bother me.
I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:52 pm Well, this turned out to not be true.
I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:39 pmVoting in the thread, but not in the poll.Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:38 pm I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.
@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)
You're wolfing my dude.
They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.
Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?
I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:42 pm(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.
Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.
Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?
Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?
I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:54 pm I should do some work
bbl
Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.
He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:10 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pmwhy don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman
Thanks, I'll try.
All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.
Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.
@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.
I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.
I don't tend to put a ton of faith in other peoples' meta reads, especially when there are conflicts (some people are saying golden is obvtown, mac says golden is an amazing wolf and hard to catch, etc).Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:00 pmYou don’t know meUrist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:42 amThere's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:56 am @Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?
And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.
This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.
Rask doesn’t know me
Alison doesn’t know me
Creature doesn’t know me
Guillo doesn’t know me
What’s absent from this picture is people who actually know me who think I’m wolf. Why do you ignore this consistently?
That's certainly a possibility
sup ive just been reading through this exchange and yeah rondo sure looks like mafia as fuckMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:05 am I challenge anyone to read pages 136 and 137 of this game and refute that my argument renders Rondo the most likely mafia in the game.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 am Mac if you're wolf here this is some GLORIOUS stuff and I am proud to be a part of it
yeah lmao the random flops to shading you after mainly treating you as town is a really bad lookMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:16 amYou can't keep dropping random shade on me while also speaking to me like you know I'm obvious town. You're quite obviously just floundering like crazy.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:10 am Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird