The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:09 pm**

Long Con wrote:Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:10 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least
You're not wild in real life either. Boring ass English teacher who'd rather read Chaucer than shoot heroin off a stripper's knee.

Bitch, you don't know me.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:10 pm**

Chris, all of that may be true, I was dead and not following with full attention.

I think Dom is the Master. I've said all along it was possible he could be the recruiter and you have negated that possibility.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:11 pm**

Chris, didn't you have a ton of votes at one stage? And then someone (>_>) persuaded people you weren't the way to go. Roxy literally had 0 votes when Dom voted for you, and unlike others, he kept his vote there. I'm of the opinion that he genuinely believed you were bad.

LC, you're right. I need to make a convincing case if I expect people to follow me. SuperGut, away!

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:11 pm**

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:12 pm**

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:13 pm**

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

Thats between a man and his wallet.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:15 pm**

keys.,.. that's what I just posted. So yes, I do think Dom thought I was bad. I don't think he was saving anyone.

And, leading up to MM's lynch, Dom expressed an equal amount of suspicion on both MM and Epig.

You know, Dom very well be bad, but I haven't seen anything between Epig and zeek's cases combined that convinces me that he's The Master, or the recruiter.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:15 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?
"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

But if you don't share the logic you are using, then we don't know if it's sound or faulty, so it makes it less likely that we will be able to put faith in your case. Did I miss where you laid out the logical information that leads to that conclusion, or do you prefer to just keep it private?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:16 pm**

LC, this is Epig we're talking about.

Of course he chose the Sphinxian approach...

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:17 pm**

nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.
You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:18 pm**

I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:18 pm**

LOL!!!

I needed that keys, you fucker.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 pm**

keys56000000000 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.
You forgot an apostrophe.
And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 pm**

Long Con wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.
You forgot an apostrophe.
And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.
The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 pm**

zeek wrote:I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

inb4 Dom has a massive coronary screaming that he was in NY for the entire weekend

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 pm**

And cake. I want cake.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:20 pm**

Heroin & knee-capping strippers. Sounds like an awesome party.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:21 pm**

Chris wrote:keys.,..

I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

I too want cake and strippers.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:23 pm**

zeek wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:zeek, any ideas who the Master might be?
I dunno. I believe Chris though I have a few niggling doubts that I can't clear up really. So I would presume the real Master may have accused him as soon as he survived the double nightkill. I'd have to look back.

zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:25 pm**

nijuukyugou wrote:
Long Con wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.
You forgot an apostrophe.
And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.
The night is young!
Mmmmm, drugs.

"Work, drugs!"

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:25 pm**

I've never gone to a strip club and now that's fucking up my grammar!

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:27 pm**

Chris wrote:
zeek wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:zeek, any ideas who the Master might be?
I dunno. I believe Chris though I have a few niggling doubts that I can't clear up really. So I would presume the real Master may have accused him as soon as he survived the double nightkill. I'd have to look back.
zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

Actually, scratch that. I'm of the mind that The Master would want whoever was the popular suspicion for his role alive.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:28 pm**

keys56000000000 wrote:
Chris wrote:keys.,..
I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

Nice. I'm going to use that out-of-place comma in a future game in order to indicate that my post is a deception, a trick. I'll go back after it's done and reference the comma post, and this post, and reveal my awesome sneakiness.

It's gonna be awesome.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:28 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Where were you on the night of January 16th, 2014?

at home. The same place I've been every night...

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:29 pm**

Chris wrote:I'm of the mind that The Master would want whoever was the popular suspicion for his role alive.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:30 pm**

Long Con wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Long Con wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.
You forgot an apostrophe.
And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.
The night is young!
Mmmmm, drugs.
"Work, drugs!"

OMG I love Eastbound and Down.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:31 pm**

Chris wrote:zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

I did look back, there were a few people eyeing you for it, most of which I can account for. If you want to take a look back Dom places it carefully, before arguing with you quite heavily about it.

I get you don't buy the case, but for someone whose been set on finding the Master and recruiter for days, you could help now.

linki - I went back anyway yesterday.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:38 pm**

I am interested in finding The Master. But I don't want to take out a civ in the process. (Shut up DF, I wasn't seriously suggesting that we kill a civ. I was bringing up calculated risk, and I also don't believe your role hint)

But in the absence of being sure, with so few players left, I don't want to get it wrong. I'd rather vote for someone who I'm nearly 100% sure is a baddie.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:40 pm**

rezz please

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:41 pm**

So few players is exactly why a Cyber lynch will not help us. You said that on D10.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:43 pm**

Dom wrote:I'll check in tomorrow. I must get back to work and sleep.

However, on the subject of role hinting--

I really hate it. I really, really hate it. I just really hate it. Always have. Always will. There has been an absurd amount of role hinting and outing in this game and, to be honest, for those who either don't get it immediately or do not feel comfortable (and for baddies who can't really role hint) it kind of ruins the game. I don't care if this is construed to be a baddie whining (It's not, but I discussed this with my team in a previous game... the last LOST game on RM), but it's honestly not fun to me. It completely demoralizes a large group of players and it really isn't fun. In that LOST game, my team only lost because some players were essentially forcing people to role hint and out themselves and if they didn't, they were lynched.
How fun is that?
Not very.
So, no, I will not role hint. I will not do that. I will not do what I am completely against.

I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

I remember that all too well and completely understand. I think based on the role of the Doctor and his searching for companions that is almost impossible to prevent. It is quite like Aapje's circle of trust you are right, until we took him out (

). I agree with your view on role hints and apologize for my role in this as well. It didnt affect me really this game and I honestly didnt think about it as many others didnt either. I applaud your choice though.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:44 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:rezz please

He looks trustworthy!

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:44 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:rezz please

zeek wrote:So few players is exactly why a Cyber lynch will not help us. You said that on D10.

I did say that. But it's much better to kill a Cyber than a civ...

The urgency of needing to kill The Master is what I fear you are either trying to play off of, or being blinded by.

Honestly, it's your urgency that's giving me pause.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:50 pm**

So its okay for you to try to convince people to vote DF over Bass, but when I try to lynch the Master it gives you reason to pause?

Okay, Chris.

Anyway, we could easily see a civ lynched today, but not if Dom is lynched.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:54 pm**

You know what zeek? You're right. I felt pretty sure yesterday about DF. I've already said that I don't believe his role hint. That's the only thing that changed from last night....

I think the hint was bullshit.

*votes DFaraday*

4 votes to go, 35 minutes left.... Also, remember that Snow's vote is worth 2 today.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:54 pm**

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:55 pm**

Ha ha, Chris, ok, so no Snow Dog today I guess.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:55 pm**

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:57 pm**

[quote=LC]I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way.[/quote]

Which is why I thought Elo was Strax...

And, sorry to leave you solo on the Snow vote. He's bad for sure. But I can't deny that I felt strongly enough to vote DF, and since I don't believe his role hint, I have no reason to not vote him again.

Don't suppose you'll follow me there, will you?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:58 pm**

This is going to be close. I don't like it one bit.

linki - Vote Dom, LC.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:59 pm**

I honestly don't know what to do, and i have to walk the dog and go to bed. I will pop back in to vote before bed. So many suppositions. There are too many assumptions in the Dom case imo, but zeek seems SO sure. Dom seems really genuine in his frustration, but Dom plays outraged civvie better than most anyone I can think of.

brb

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:01 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?
If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you?

It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:03 pm**

One thing about that LC... and apparently not everyone thinks like I do.

Would Canuck replace out of The Master?

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:04 pm**

Chris wrote:
zeek wrote:I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.
inb4 Dom has a massive coronary screaming that he was in NY for the entire weekend

Pot, meet kettle.

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

Exactly.

Can you please, help me? Tie the vote, LC. I am not the Master!

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:04 pm**

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?
If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.
Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:05 pm**

Dom, I was saying that you've been saying that.

AKA, I've been defending the shit outta you for the last 2 or 3 hours...

I hope I don't get burned for this...

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:06 pm**

Yes, Chris, Canuck was very invested in her other game and did not have the time an awesome role demanded. Canuck, like Rey, quits games quite often. I replaced her in one game on TP, and it was a really good role, although not the same level as the Master.

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:07 pm**

Posted: **Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:07 pm**

I've got nothing on Hedgeowl. She appears to be a great civvie, completely clean. Looking for a case against her in her posts is like looking up at a smooth glass building and wondering how to climb it barehanded. If you're bad, Hedgeowl, bravo! You are an adversary of refreshingly high calibre.

I'm going to change my vote, but to whom?

The Syndicate

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