The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

Scotty wrote:Why am I still alive? I rarely last this long.

Epignosis wrote:Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Assuming llama was specifically chosen for the kill by the chief, my immediate inclination is to assume it was intended to frame Quin, who has enough enemies remaining in the thread that him just killing a threat isn't a strategically viable solution as a baddie. indiglo being killed was likely the result of her being well out of lynch territory.

If you're a highly-trusted player and you're not dead, I recommend you re-calibrate your reads. Someone is probably letting you stick around because they expect you to do something detrimental to your team.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

I'm not sure yet.

Scotty wrote:Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

Quin wrote:I'm still alive because of my exuding charisma, I think.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why am I still alive? I rarely last this long.

Don't ask, but answer. Why are you still alive?

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Assuming llama was specifically chosen for the kill by the chief, my immediate inclination is to assume it was intended to frame Quin, who has enough enemies remaining in the thread that him just killing a threat isn't a strategically viable solution as a baddie. indiglo being killed was likely the result of her being well out of lynch territory.

If you're a highly-trusted player and you're not dead, I recommend you re-calibrate your reads. Someone is probably letting you stick around because they expect you to do something detrimental to your team.

Or that they're eliminating people that are pushing for lynches for people.
But I have had more interest in Quin for longer, so why wasn't I killed earlier? Why is Pirsoner not dead yet? Why does Starbucks have a secret menu?

There's might be validity in the framing Quin thinking. But I'm honestly floundering either way. Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

I'm not sure yet.

Do you specifically think of them as a team or separate suspects?

Sloonei wrote:Separate suspects. I've seen nothing to suggest they can't be a team, but I don't like to pair people together as teammates when they're both still alive.

Scotty wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm still alive because of my exuding charisma, I think.

I'd like to pick door number 3 please, Monty.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why am I still alive? I rarely last this long.

Don't ask, but answer. Why are you still alive?

I'm not completely trusted by everyone yet.

More importantly, why is SVS still alive? I think she is on most everyone's civ list, and I don't think she is a don.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Separate suspects. I've seen nothing to suggest they can't be a team, but I don't like to pair people together as teammates when they're both still alive.

I would nearly always agree, but I do think things are quite dire here and some forward thinking is necessary. When I think of Epignosis as a suspect, it's easier to rationalize when I pair him with sig.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Separate suspects. I've seen nothing to suggest they can't be a team, but I don't like to pair people together as teammates when they're both still alive.

I would nearly always agree, but I do think things are quite dire here and some forward thinking is necessary. When I think of Epignosis as a suspect, it's easier to rationalize when I pair him with sig.

How would your color your read that the two of them are cop partners on the cop partners rainbow list?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Why is your natural response to refer to past games for rather than anything particular to this one?

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Why is your natural response to refer to past games for rather than anything particular to this one?

The questioner alluded to past games. I looked at all the full games I've been in to see how long I lasted before I answered. I often see Day 8 in full games. It usually means I'm bad or I'm bad. Two different definitions on those adjectives. I'll let you work it out.

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

Quin wrote:Soneji, say a thing!

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Why is your natural response to refer to past games for rather than anything particular to this one?

The questioner alluded to past games. I looked at all the full games I've been in to see how long I lasted before I answered. I often see Day 8 in full games. It usually means I'm bad or I'm bad. Two different definitions on those adjectives. I'll let you work it out.

But he also asked why you're still around in this game right now and you didn't answer that part.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

What's your case? I'm not opposed.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

"Framing a few things" is not good enough. A mislynch would be doom to the town cause. What exactly do you mean by this and why is it a valid reason to lynch Boomslang?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them.

In how many of those full games were you a civilian? Don't restrict yourself just to "lived until Day 8", but broaden it to "survived a while".

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

"Framing a few things" is not good enough. A mislynch would be doom to the town cause. What exactly do you mean by this and why is it a valid reason to lynch Boomslang?

come on, prisoner. Nothing looks civvy about Boom, and we have tried in fractured confidences to lynch him 3 days in a row now, and something always seems to happen: "heMs practically inactive, so why not eliminate other surefire ones?" I don't give a shit. He's bad. I want him gone regardless. I'm gonna get pissy if Boom is not lynched today.

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

Epignosis wrote:I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Why is your natural response to refer to past games for rather than anything particular to this one?

The questioner alluded to past games. I looked at all the full games I've been in to see how long I lasted before I answered. I often see Day 8 in full games. It usually means I'm bad or I'm bad. Two different definitions on those adjectives. I'll let you work it out.

But he also asked why you're still around in this game right now and you didn't answer that part.

Neither did you.

It's idle speculation. I'm not going to guess why I'm still here. If you're not satisfied with my answer, I've won one full game as a civilian. I've won several as Mafia. So I usually win full games because I'm evil. I do last beyond Night 8, however, regardless of alignment.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

What's your case for Epi? I am not opposed.

What's your case? I'm not opposed.

Wilgy is my case.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

"Framing a few things" is not good enough. A mislynch would be doom to the town cause. What exactly do you mean by this and why is it a valid reason to lynch Boomslang?

come on, prisoner. Nothing looks civvy about Boom, and we have tried in fractured confidences to lynch him 3 days in a row now, and something always seems to happen: "heMs practically inactive, so why not eliminate other surefire ones?" I don't give a shit. He's bad. I want him gone regardless. I'm gonna get pissy if Boom is not lynched today.

I'm not opposing the Boomslang lynch here. I am questioning you. My concern in this conversation is the player Scotty.

What did you mean by "framing things"?

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Things look bleak, but a Boom lynch will help frame a few things at least.

"Framing a few things" is not good enough. A mislynch would be doom to the town cause. What exactly do you mean by this and why is it a valid reason to lynch Boomslang?

come on, prisoner. Nothing looks civvy about Boom, and we have tried in fractured confidences to lynch him 3 days in a row now, and something always seems to happen: "heMs practically inactive, so why not eliminate other surefire ones?" I don't give a shit. He's bad. I want him gone regardless. I'm gonna get pissy if Boom is not lynched today.

I'm not opposing the Boomslang lynch here. I am questioning you. My concern in this conversation is the player Scotty.

What did you mean by "framing things"?

Giving us perspective. At this point there is nothing tangible to pull from besides Fuzz. I can only analyze so much when we've done nothing but speculate to no avail since day 2.

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them.

In how many of those full games were you a civilian? Don't restrict yourself just to "lived until Day 8", but broaden it to "survived a while".

I'll have to look again. Let the Magic finish and I'll get back to you.

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

Epignosis wrote:I don't know what "a while" means, so I'm going to be comprehensive:

On the Syndicate in full games, I've been a civilian six times, won once. I've been Mafia five times, won thrice. I've been independent four times (wow, didn't realize that), and won once as a recruit (started out as a civilian).

In all of those cases, I lasted until the late half of the game, except in Monty Python, when I was a serial killer and killed early.

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

I don't care if you answer or not. Don't have at me for not answering though.

I don't know why you're still here. Are you a Don? Don't answer that.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

I don't care if you answer or not. Don't have at me for not answering though.

I don't know why you're still here. Are you a Don? Don't answer that.

I'm more coming at you for answering one half of the question but not the other half. To me it looks like you're trying to appeal to the past to reassure skeptical townies about you rather than addressing things in the present.

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

I don't care if you answer or not. Don't have at me for not answering though.

I don't know why you're still here. Are you a Don? Don't answer that.

I'm more coming at you for answering one half of the question but not the other half. To me it looks like you're trying to appeal to the past to reassure skeptical townies about you rather than addressing things in the present.

"Why are you still here?" is a stupid question to ask someone. It's a cloudy accusation that you can't defend against if you're a player who doesn't make it far. You don't know why you're here. I don't know why I'm here.

Sorry- dumbass thing to speculate. I'm here because I didn't get arrested or lynched yet. That's why.

Do you want to lynch me?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't know what "a while" means, so I'm going to be comprehensive:

On the Syndicate in full games, I've been a civilian six times, won once. I've been Mafia five times, won thrice. I've been independent four times (wow, didn't realize that), and won once as a recruit (started out as a civilian).

In all of those cases, I lasted until the late half of the game, except in Monty Python, when I was a serial killer and killed early.

Thanks.

You suggested earlier that when you've survived later into a game it has meant that you're either bad (aligned) or bad (at lynching baddies). Do you think the latter applies in this game, and if so what have your errors/failures been?

****There were a few special cases. In WWE I was Hulk Hogan, civilian killer, but S~V~S's team had me figured out early on and serial blocked me. Also, Harry Potter everybody knows about.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

I don't care if you answer or not. Don't have at me for not answering though.

I don't know why you're still here. Are you a Don? Don't answer that.

I'm more coming at you for answering one half of the question but not the other half. To me it looks like you're trying to appeal to the past to reassure skeptical townies about you rather than addressing things in the present.

"Why are you still here?" is a stupid question to ask someone. It's a cloudy accusation that you can't defend against if you're a player who doesn't make it far. You don't know why you're here. I don't know why I'm here.

Sorry- dumbass thing to speculate. I'm here because I didn't get arrested or lynched yet. That's why.

Do you want to lynch me?

But you still attempted to answer it and give a justification as to why you're alive, you just did it by explaining that this happens a lot, like you're just trying to brush it off by telling us not to worry about you. That makes me worry about you. I might want to lynch you. We have quite a few bad guys left to lynch and a shrinking list of candidates. You're definitely not exempt.

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did you want me to answer? Why do you think I'm still here?

I don't care if you answer or not. Don't have at me for not answering though.

I don't know why you're still here. Are you a Don? Don't answer that.

I'm more coming at you for answering one half of the question but not the other half. To me it looks like you're trying to appeal to the past to reassure skeptical townies about you rather than addressing things in the present.

"Why are you still here?" is a stupid question to ask someone. It's a cloudy accusation that you can't defend against if you're a player who doesn't make it far. You don't know why you're here. I don't know why I'm here.

Sorry- dumbass thing to speculate. I'm here because I didn't get arrested or lynched yet. That's why.

Do you want to lynch me?

Sloonei. I also don't think the Prisoner is a cop.
But you still attempted to answer it and give a justification as to why you're alive, you just did it by explaining that this happens a lot, like you're just trying to brush it off by telling us not to worry about you. That makes me worry about you. I might want to lynch you. We have quite a few bad guys left to lynch and a shrinking list of candidates. You're definitely not exempt.

Who is exempt?

Sloonei wrote:Do you think my concern and the point I just raised against you are legitimate and sensible?

Epignosis wrote:Since we're playing this inane game

Epignosis wrote:why do you think you are still alive?

Epignosis wrote:Mafia are not paying attention.