The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:13 pm**

The game begins with 7 mafia and at least one third party faction.

actually this implies that third party is a "faction" right, IE consistent of multiple?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:15 pm**

no it does not imply that

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:16 pm**

i think sabie/sig are probably among the worse choices for this chop phase

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:17 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:16 pm i think sabie/sig are probably among the worse choices for this chop phase

didn't you just say sig is more likely scum a post ago?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:20 pm**

yes i did but I changed my mind

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:20 pm**

also more likely scum than likely town is still townish

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:21 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:20 pm yes i did but I changed my mind

do you really think that there's 5 town vig's (Seanzie, illario, dya, sabie, sig) + 1 3P vig and not a single one is scum? I find that very unlikely

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:22 pm**

The sad thing is TSP is probably town

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:25 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:22 pm The sad thing is TSP is probably town

he could be

he says weird things sometimes though

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:26 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:25 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:22 pm The sad thing is TSP is probably town
he could be

he says weird things sometimes though

part of the TSP playbook

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:27 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:20 pm yes i did but I changed my mind
do you really think that there's 5 town vig's (Seanzie, illario, dya, sabie, sig) + 1 3P vig and not a single one is scum? I find that very unlikely

oh yeah fair point idk

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm**

yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm**

don't let me play mafia I have a lot of work to do bye

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad

what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:41 pm**

I don't get the sabie wolfreads. I think her posts are in line with town that vigged Ender.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:46 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:41 pm I don't get the sabie wolfreads. I think her posts are in line with town that vigged Ender.

For me it's about Dyslexicon interactions. Granted, I have not actually looked closely at Sabie's posts yet.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:48 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:46 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:41 pm I don't get the sabie wolfreads. I think her posts are in line with town that vigged Ender.
For me it's about Dyslexicon interactions. Granted, I have not actually looked closely at Sabie's posts yet.

I don't think sabie is the type of player to shoot their wolfread over a clearer town to claim town vig as wolf.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:49 pm**

I'd stand against lynching Guillotine and sabie12

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:49 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:34 pm I have a couple different ways to win, none of them are aligned with mafia.

Honestly SK that can win with Town is almost so absurd Neeko is tempted to believe it.
Why'd you kill NAA again? Was it to further your wincon or what?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:54 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:34 pm I have a couple different ways to win, none of them are aligned with mafia.
Honestly SK that can win with Town is almost so absurd Neeko is tempted to believe it.
Why'd you kill NAA again? Was it to further your wincon or what?

1. I'm not SK
2. I killed NAA b/c I did not want today to be warped by "We need to resolve NAA or we need to just call him town". If I'd known today was going to be a multi-chop I'd have done something like hero shoot mac instead.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:55 pm**

Don’t humour him

Kill him. No mercy.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:57 pm**

YOU JUST KNOW specchat is saying things like: '112 has been right about everything all game, why is nobody listening to her?' and '112 is probably the towniest poster in the game if you actually bother to read her posts, this is worse than the seanzie chop.'

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:58 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:55 pm Don’t humour him

Kill him. No mercy.

not 100% sure whom this is referring to but i have an idea. will follow your instructions, voice in my head who's also in my computer.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?

I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc

er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:04 pm**

uhh looking at the vote tallies i don't understand what dyachei is doing
if she didn't have a w!shot earlier i'd be sussing her hard

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?

Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

Since there was less likely wolf KP at night

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

the only thing that makes me think sabie could be town is her AtE but i know she's as supreme at AtE as i am, so i am not moved.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP

yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm**

112, I stopped reading your posts halfway through D1. Why is everyone saying you're scummy?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:17 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP
yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?

Because I decided that that didn’t outweigh the things in Sig’s favor, and then I decided that the things in Sig’s favor in my mind was that I liked his posts on day 1, and so now I’ve decided that’s not a great reason, and here we are.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:19 pm**

KZA - Shot by Sean
Marmot - Shot by Dya
Bo - Shot by c4
Alison - Shot by Alexa
Ender - Shot by Sabie
NAA - Shot by HK
Dizzy - Shot by ilario
Nutella - Shot by Sig

That's all the vigilante shots that were claimed.
So far 1 of these has flipped and it was Town (Sean).
1 has been claimed to be from a 3p (HK).
2 have come from winning prizes (c4 and Alexa).

That leaves Dya, Sabie, ilario, and Sig all claiming Town aligned vigilantes with 1 already dead.
Statistically speaking, these cannot all be Town as 5 vigilantes seems excessive even if we assume all are 1-shot and the mystery shot wasn't Town.
c4 and Alexa are not easy to attach and alignment too based on their shots due to how they occurred.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:29 pm**

Nutella also flipped a Town Vigilante-like role.
So if all of that group are Town we're looking at...
4 dayvigis, 1 arsonist, and 1 night vigilante. This seems too heavily weighted towards day killing power though and Neeko thinks Nanook would spread it out more between day and night.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:29 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:17 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP
yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?
Because I decided that that didn’t outweigh the things in Sig’s favor, and then I decided that the things in Sig’s favor in my mind was that I liked his posts on day 1, and so now I’ve decided that’s not a great reason, and here we are.

what did you like about his posts d1?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:30 pm**

Sabie is still the only one claiming a night vig though.
So for all intensive purposes Sabie is basically being not cced at all assuming Urist was killed by Mafia and not Town or 3p.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:37 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm 112, I stopped reading your posts halfway through D1. Why is everyone saying you're scummy?

I don't know, boss.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:38 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:26 pm literally the only question though is this: Does Mac know this b/c he's a mafia god, or does Mac know this b/c he's a wolf?

it's the first one

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:39 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:30 pm Sabie is still the only one claiming a night vig though.
So for all intensive purposes Sabie is basically being not cced at all assuming Urist was killed by Mafia and not Town or 3p.

are we sure there's a night vig? why not sk or a mafia role?

i did not read the OP in spite on warnings btw.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:39 pm**

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:45 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:17 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm

what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP
yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?
Because I decided that that didn’t outweigh the things in Sig’s favor, and then I decided that the things in Sig’s favor in my mind was that I liked his posts on day 1, and so now I’ve decided that’s not a great reason, and here we are.
what did you like about his posts d1?

They were towny

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:51 pm**

i for one am possibly willing to negotiate with the clearly not a serial killer person

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:52 pm**

is there a way to multiquote on this site?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:53 pm**

NVM i figured it out

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:53 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:52 pm is there a way to multiquote on this site?

Middle mouse button is Neeko's friend.
Also Control + A after pressing middle mouse.
Then Control + C, then Control + V.
Works like a charm.

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:56 pm**

Spoiler: show

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am I’m alive and here and 55 pages behind

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:24 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:28 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.
If you are town, make sure to make 5 or more posts, or else scum can kill you off for free.
First town read right here.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:34 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:20 am Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.
I tried reading marmot since saw he flipped not much there tbh.

This is the only post that stands out.

On hand I’d say maybe this implicates creature since that was the case but not sure.

Either way I’d say Allison is looking good

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:06 pm Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Didn’t you screw town over last time you had this role?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:38 am Okay I’m real quick throwing out town reads for sabie/TSP was just mafia with them and posts are a bit different sabie will be more clear in a few days if mafia for sure

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:39 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I did civ read her but then saw her role claim. Third party roles aren’t great especially when they claim to help town but like don’t need to.

Sure she may be town sided now but with 7 mafia members it could easily flip on us

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:41 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:30 pm Mfw Sig doesn't have a wagon yet

C'mon it's D1 of the GoC people. Get your priorities straight.
Literally lol

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:42 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:41 am There is no way that claim is serious lol
I’ve read only snippets so if she renegaded oops I’m not aware, chances are extremely low honestly, statistically, but like why not believe her?

If we say it’s accurate it isn’t a role I want around and we know it’s not town so won’t hurt our numbers.

Usually I’m not a big 3P hunter still not, but right now seems like a smart move

@TonyStarkPrime what about these day 1 posts feel towny to you?

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:06 pm**

[VOTE: hallowkat sabie12 sig] aubergine

i will find my 4th vote later,,

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:15 pm**

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:04 pm uhh looking at the vote tallies i don't understand what dyachei is doing
if she didn't have a w!shot earlier i'd be sussing her hard

I'm tired. I've been playing the game and explaining my reads throughout but I've also been napping like every afternoon/evening because im fucking exhausted

i'm also a they not a she. I'd appreciate using the correct pronouns

I really wouldnt have shot marmot for cred as a wolf because my goal was to die n1

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:19 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:15 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:04 pm uhh looking at the vote tallies i don't understand what dyachei is doing
if she didn't have a w!shot earlier i'd be sussing her hard
I'm tired. I've been playing the game and explaining my reads throughout but I've also been napping like every afternoon/evening because im fucking exhausted

i'm also a they not a she. I'd appreciate using the correct pronouns

I really wouldnt have shot marmot for cred as a wolf because my goal was to die n1

sorry, will remember the pronouns

also, only saw two of your votes when i wrote that so i take it back mostly. i thought you were just on me + wilgy, which was :woozy_face:

Posted: **Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:26 pm**

Mac sounds off

yes cuz last time you saw me I was drunk and belligerent and now I'm timid and hungover

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