The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:Turnip Head, I was obviously referring to the person who sent in the kill, the current Kira. I have no information on who that person may or may not have BTSC with. It was not a slip. Go nettle someone else, Shinigami, it grows tiresome.

linki: call it all you want. See who listens. I don't take my orders from you.

Epignosis wrote:This game FINALLY got interesting.

FZ. wrote:TH, why do you think Boo is on the level?

thellama73 wrote:There is one player in the game has practically been screaming "I am Higuchi" since day one. His name is Robert, but round these parts he goes by Epignosis.
The evidence against FZ still exists, and I still find it persuasive. If she were Light, that fits.
The thing that made me think she was lying in her defense was how adamant it was, which I would not have done if I had been an unlynchable civ. Having to relinquish the death note to save herself explains this.

It all fits. It's very elegant.

FZ. wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

My read of Epi is that everything he's done has been driven by a desire not to be lynched or Nked. If he was Higuchi and thought that FZ was Light, it would be the last thing he'd want to do to get her lynched. Because he'd be invincible without his DN.

What about winning though? Does it make sense that Higuchi could be an unkillable role the entire game and win?

So when I said it before, you had nothing to say, but now you've decided to suggest this option? And if he's Higuchi, I don't think he can even know who Light is. In any case, I'm not Light. But you, are just all over the place. Name one person since the game has started, that you called baddie and actually turned out to be one. I mean a Kira, not Yotsuba

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Turnip Head, I was obviously referring to the person who sent in the kill, the current Kira. I have no information on who that person may or may not have BTSC with. It was not a slip. Go nettle someone else, Shinigami, it grows tiresome.

linki: call it all you want. See who listens. I don't take my orders from you.

So refuting suspicion is just something others are supposed to do, not you?


TH, why do you think Boo is on the level?

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This game FINALLY got interesting.

You mean after you shut up about FZ for more than five minutes? I agree completely.

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:llama and Epi, have you ever considered that maybe you were kept alive every day so you can keep pushing me lynch?

Have you ever considered that maybe I pushed your lynch so I could be kept alive?

thellama73 wrote:There is one player in the game has practically been screaming "I am Higuchi" since day one. His name is Robert, but round these parts he goes by Epignosis.
The evidence against FZ still exists, and I still find it persuasive. If she were Light, that fits.
The thing that made me think she was lying in her defense was how adamant it was, which I would not have done if I had been an unlynchable civ. Having to relinquish the death note to save herself explains this.

It all fits. It's very elegant.

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

Epignosis wrote:Going to reread the entire game now.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

So your additional suspects are "FZ and TH."

Turnip Head wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

So your additional suspects are "FZ and TH."

To be fair he did just make a post about Epi being Higuchi :P

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

Everything bolded and underlined.

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

boo wrote:During the last lynch, right before the kill:

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

The NK was 4 minutes later. Boomslang (Watari, obviously) being lynched, did have a big result, it caused two straight lynches. So it seems to me like FZ knew that was coming. She was also already pushing lynch discussion for the next lynch after Boomslang died, which makes me think she knew this would be the follow up.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Going to reread the entire game now.

Holy shit good luck dude

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

Everything bolded and underlined.

Ya.

During the last lynch, right before the kill:

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

The NK was 4 minutes later. Boomslang (Watari, obviously) being lynched, did have a big result, it caused two straight lynches. So it seems to me like FZ knew that was coming. She was also already pushing lynch discussion for the next lynch after Boomslang died, which makes me think she knew this would be the follow up.

Or she was set up, and played right into it and the actual Boomslang killer is just sitting back and enjoying watching it happen.

Which is WIFOM, but I don't think, in this situation, it's a back and forth I have to go through a lot.

FZ. wrote:Can I just say that I love you TH (but if you turn out bad, I'm never trusting you again).

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But there aren't a lot of possibilities for your role now that you've survived a lynch, and you seemed to have prior knowledge about when the NK would take place, and who would be killed (and it seems to me like you already knew their role, which means you've taken the eye deal I think).

Boo can you elaborate on this?

What part of it?

Everything bolded and underlined.

Ya.

During the last lynch, right before the kill:

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

The NK was 4 minutes later. Boomslang (Watari, obviously) being lynched, did have a big result, it caused two straight lynches. So it seems to me like FZ knew that was coming. She was also already pushing lynch discussion for the next lynch after Boomslang died, which makes me think she knew this would be the follow up.

Or she was set up, and played right into it and the actual Boomslang killer is just sitting back and enjoying watching it happen.

Which is WIFOM, but I don't think, in this situation, it's a back and forth I have to go through a lot.

MM probably knew his team had killed Watari and wanted to cancel out the two days thing with Mikami's ability.

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

No, but like I said, you were so full of it and your suspicion of me has taken over the entire game. I think expecting you to give something other than what you have was fair. I also think it was a sort of a protest and calling your bluff vote, and he might also believe you're bad. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he had to vote fast for some reason. I agree that he should have waited with his vote, but you really asked for it.

llama, I don't know if you're bad, but the way you've been handling things lately doesn't scream very civvie to me.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

No, but like I said, you were so full of it and your suspicion of me has taken over the entire game. I think expecting you to give something other than what you have was fair. I also think it was a sort of a protest and calling your bluff vote, and he might also believe you're bad. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he had to vote fast for some reason. I agree that he should have waited with his vote, but you really asked for it.

llama, I don't know if you're bad, but the way you've been handling things lately doesn't scream very civvie to me.

What do you think of Epignosis?

FZ. wrote:Boo, if I had done it to get Mikami to commit suicide or whatever, why would I wait for the last second? Pretty stupid if you ask me. Give Mikami 4 minutes to get my message. Yep, makes a lot of sense

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Boo, if I had done it to get Mikami to commit suicide or whatever, why would I wait for the last second? Pretty stupid if you ask me. Give Mikami 4 minutes to get my message. Yep, makes a lot of sense

Well that's the thing about last ditch efforts, they tend to be the last thing you try, and you only try them when time is down to the wire.

FZ. wrote:And now, I'm going to bed. If anyone wants to actually look at bad behaviour and not just make crazy and ridiculous speculations, I'll be here tomorrow

Turnip Head wrote:Are you reading the thread chronologically or just individual players?