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Possible. And in that situation I don't think we can effectively leash his shot. We can say "shoot SVS or you're an outed mafia", and he'll just shrug, shoot Mac or myself, and be outed, not like it changes his situation.
I know that is not what you said, and that is exactly my worry. In fact, you said you hated having no abilities.
Mac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.
I would be a waste of a lynch bc I'm civ but not a huge loss in terms of role. Plus as you mentioned, my game is shit this game so far.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:26 pmThere's some rather worrisome wordage around her claim. I want people to remember that and pay some attention.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:23 pm Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.
I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.
How can she be caught if she's town? I've never seen a nervous, frozen or caught civ svs.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:28 pmMac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.
From my perspective that wasn't influential, I think Mac is just not vibing that SVS feels 'caught' but imo if SVS feels 'caught' she's town.
I am paranoid about my own SVS read here because she is sneaky good and I don't wanna be wrong but... I'm feeling good about my vote being there.
Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.
I haven't called your game shit. I'd encourage you to share more thoughts about the game though, whenever you have them. I understand you suspect SVS and town read Golden. Is there more?Kate wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:29 pmI would be a waste of a lynch bc I'm civ but not a huge loss in terms of role. Plus as you mentioned, my game is shit this game so far.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:26 pmThere's some rather worrisome wordage around her claim. I want people to remember that and pay some attention.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:23 pm Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.
I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.
That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into itAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pmThat relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
No, I think there's value in the thought exercise. Because the assumption, I think, is 'golden would have been against it, but he would have been outvoted'.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:23 pmthis is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variablesGolden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:17 pmGenuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?
creature too?nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:36 pmI have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into itAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pmThat relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
okayGolden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:37 pmNo, I think there's value in the thought exercise. Because the assumption, I think, is 'golden would have been against it, but he would have been outvoted'.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:23 pmthis is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variablesGolden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:17 pmGenuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?
Let me tell you what my response would be, then, since you're not keen on the thought experience.
I'd be fine with it. Rask didn't look committed to the read on me at all, and the reality of my Cape read is that I was damned to some people thinking I was wolf no matter what Cape flipped. It was either 'w/w pairing' or 'TMI'. No one was willing to listen and just take it as what it was - 'the case on Cape is shit'. Rask is just one of many people who don't have any experience of me who find it suspicious that I'll defend someone in that way. So my thoughts on that kill, I'm pretty sure, would be 'yeah, fine, whatever'. LPP made zero impression on me as a player on that day one.
Genuinely, did not know that post existed until people brought it up on day two. I mean, yes if I was a wolf, my teammates would have known. I'm just not sure why anyone would equate it to being reasonable motive for the kill.
(I'll add to that, I think that 'who did the person who just died suspect' is inherently bunk analysis, especially on day one.)
No thats just a read lolParty Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:37 pmcreature too?nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:36 pmI have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into itAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pmThat relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
@Party Crasher ftrnutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:41 pmI don't really know how to articulate it beyond he's doing all the Creaturey things Creature does as town. Throwing out seemingly random pushes and names and complaints, lots of complaints and waiting for things to happen while tossing in reactions on the sidelines. Those are things that sound kind of baseline wolfy without context but having played with Creature a lot it's happening in an organic way and does not look like he's forcing himself to post. Glancing at his iso I could be wrong and don't see particular things that really bolster my confidence here, so I'll lay off on strongly shielding him as I could be wrong but really do not think he's a priority when we have a handful of promising wagons atm.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:35 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pmYes.Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz
Alright I'll trust you thennutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:36 pmI have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into itAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:34 pmThat relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.
By the definition of 'caught' that is 'reacting to the wagon in ways that people find suspicious', which is what Mac is saying she feels townie for not doing.Kate wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:31 pmHow can she be caught if she's town? I've never seen a nervous, frozen or caught civ svs.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:28 pmMac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.
From my perspective that wasn't influential, I think Mac is just not vibing that SVS feels 'caught' but imo if SVS feels 'caught' she's town.
I am paranoid about my own SVS read here because she is sneaky good and I don't wanna be wrong but... I'm feeling good about my vote being there.
100% - if Seanzie is honest about using his vig shot for the good of the town, I'd be shooting one of those two.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:30 pm I continue to be worried about HK and 112. They have somehow accrued 0 pressure - even when 112 was put into the POE nobody wanted to vote her - while doing absolutely fucking nothing. Even Kate has more pressure than them and she got hard shielded by Golden D1.
I did plenty actually. I graded two classes worth of exams, did some drywall work, prepared a lecture, went for a run. I've been pro-adulting.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:20 pm Friends, I adore your spirit but as with all things the only true path to victory is with love, not hate. We must suppress our hunger for chaos and replace it with a warm embrace. It is time to set aside our differences, to be tolerant and approach one another with care and concern for we are all united as one by this wonderful game and should celebrate our unity by playing firm, but fair, and important mindful of causing pain to your fellow mafia player.
Not uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
SVSSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:50 pmNot uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
This is sort of weird in that at the moment if SVS isn't elimmed it seems likely that Sean wont' be around to make the shot lol.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:52 pmSVSSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:50 pmNot uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
I worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
Yeah, I guess that's the conuterpoint.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:54 pmI worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
Yeah. Another reason I think Sean is mafia is that he hasn't focused much on me at all, while usually he's very aware of me and likes to poke me. Hehe. That's very me-centric, but it's a thingAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:54 pmI worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
I'm a short catboi does it count?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:57 pm I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)
Self-centricity is good solving, don't knock it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:57 pmYeah. Another reason I think Sean is mafia is that he hasn't focused much on me at all, while usually he's very aware of me and likes to poke me. Hehe. That's very me-centric, but it's a thingAlison wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:54 pmI worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:44 pm If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.
For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:59 pmI'm a short catboi does it count?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:57 pm I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)
That's not true he still mistakenly has me as town ;oEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:58 am I dislike that your reads list has literally got "Low hanging/low poster targets" as all your mafia picks.
In all of my days climbing counters and shelves to reach things, alrering clothes, and getting mocked, never have I ever been so disappointed to be smol :/Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:57 pm I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:17 pmIn all of my days climbing counters and shelves to reach things, alrering clothes, and getting mocked, never have I ever been so disappointed to be smol :/Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:57 pm I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)
No gun no life
Yeah true tbh I just woke up and have to go to work to have a butthole day thereParty Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:17 pm PORSCHA PLAYING THE GAME
(THERE'S TOO MANY NEW POSTS APPEARING ON HER SCREEN AND SHE FEELS DIZZY AND FAINTS)