The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 pm**

Day 3

'So, so disappointing. Let down and hanging around. Crushed like a bug in the ground.'

Timsup2nothin has been eliminated. He was...

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It is Night 3. Players have 23 hours to submit their night actions.
The thread will remain open tonight.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:26 pm**

well damn

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:26 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 pm Lol. Well Poison is town. My teasometer says so. =p

Is this an pocketing attempt? I'm not a tiny little person I warn you. What do think of ted, dizzy?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:26 pm**

Interesting. I thought Tim was 90%+ to flip mafia or 3P.

Let's go for Wilgy next, then.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm**

I don't think Dizzy lied about the track on him, so there's probably something else at play here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm**

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:23 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:17 pmNah, just a potential line.

Idk, you are Null until Tim resolves imo.
Expand please. What is null about me to you? How will the Tim flip resolve this for you?
@DrWilgy
Null because there isn't much. You're iso didn't do anything for me.

Tim flipping civ would reveal that both he and I are civ and thus you should probably be yeeted after me if that is the case.
I highly doubt it that his flip would make you any townier. Besides, is this a TMI?

Nope, just considering all possibilities.

Tim is very likely to flip 3p imo, if not scum. There'd need to be some real weird manipulation otherwise.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm**

Another open thread night? Where is my free time to watch my series?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm Tim is very likely to flip 3p imo, if not scum. There'd need to be some real weird manipulation otherwise.

He just flipped town.

What's your song? You're up next to be exed, so it doesn't matter if the Rogue soups you at this point.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:28 pm**

And rip TIM.

That's some shit.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm**

Been fun y'all

You owe me a win here Alison

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:23 pmNull because there isn't much. You're iso didn't do anything for me.

Tim flipping civ would reveal that both he and I are civ and thus you should probably be yeeted after me if that is the case.

You need to get more into this.
My iso is my iso. You can read alignment out of it if you want. Or you can fail to do so. Not really my focus right now.

But what specifically does your alignment have to do with Tim's flip? What changes in your view if the world is you/Tim t/t compared to you/Tim t/s?

You saying that it reveals that both of you are town, so I should get yeeted after you makes no sense here.

They way you're saying this is all wrong. You're going around the issue here. "It proves we are both town and you should get yeeted after us" is not at all a natural progression.

Would love other's opinion on this.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm Been fun y'all

You owe me a win here Alison

I'm working on it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:30 pm**

Yeah, could've guessed Tim was town. Which is why I don't like the "we have to yeet this person" mentality.

Anyway. Could Tim's roleblock have failed because the ratio was just off? =p

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:31 pm**

I think the last scums are among dizzy/wilgy/ ted (?) [what do we know about him? Why is he slanking so much?]

I'll be damned if there's a scum/3P in mac-Alison tbh. Although that's unlikely.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:23 pmNull because there isn't much. You're iso didn't do anything for me.

Tim flipping civ would reveal that both he and I are civ and thus you should probably be yeeted after me if that is the case.
You need to get more into this.
My iso is my iso. You can read alignment out of it if you want. Or you can fail to do so. Not really my focus right now.

But what specifically does your alignment have to do with Tim's flip? What changes in your view if the world is you/Tim t/t compared to you/Tim t/s?

You saying that it reveals that both of you are town, so I should get yeeted after you makes no sense here.

They way you're saying this is all wrong. You're going around the issue here. "It proves we are both town and you should get yeeted after us" is not at all a natural progression.

Would love other's opinion on this.

What?

I know my own alignment silly, thus Tim's alignment makes me read you differently? Also at the same time being aware that my alignment will be revealed after I die?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 pm**

Alison, what do you think should I do? Should I not use my ability tonight and save it for only 3p hunt? Or should I actually use it?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 pm**

[mention]Alison[/mention], I'm No Surprises from OK Computer.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm**

What's keeping Alison from being scum again?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm**

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:26 pmIs this an pocketing attempt? I'm not a tiny little person I warn you. What do think of ted, dizzy?

Ted is probably town. I tracked him N1 and his story checked out. Haven't read most anything of the thread or his posts. I don't need to be warned. I'm town, I'm pretty confident I can self clear anyway. If not, cri cri cri evertim. I don't really care about you barking at me now, sorry. =p

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:30 pm Yeah, could've guessed Tim was town. Which is why I don't like the "we have to yeet this person" mentality.

Anyway. Could Tim's roleblock have failed because the ratio was just off? =p

No - he's told what action he gets at the start of each night. So he did have a roleblock.

Also I'm pretty sure we have to exe Tim on game theory - we can't leave someone alive if we strongly suspect they lied about their claim.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:35 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:30 pm Yeah, could've guessed Tim was town. Which is why I don't like the "we have to yeet this person" mentality.

Anyway. Could Tim's roleblock have failed because the ratio was just off? =p
No - he's told what action he gets at the start of each night. So he did have a roleblock.

Also I'm pretty sure we have to exe Tim on game theory - we can't leave someone alive if we strongly suspect they lied about their claim.

tim?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:36 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 pmWhat?

I know my own alignment silly, thus Tim's alignment makes me read you differently? Also at the same time being aware that my alignment will be revealed after I die?

But what does Tim have to do with your alignment? It's just a weird way to say it. Like, you and me, we aren't connected by the whole claim business thingy. If I understood all that correctly.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:37 pm**

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 pm Alison, what do you think should I do? Should I not use my ability tonight and save it for only 3p hunt? Or should I actually use it?

I think you should start using your ability. Probably you should do the Herm combo we suggested. Select someone suspicious in the POE, force them to out their song, then check to see if they told the truth. If they did, and if Herm's check comes up clean, then they can be cleared of being mafia.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:37 pm**

[mention]Herm[/mention] does your ability check for 3P or just mafia?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:38 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:30 pm Yeah, could've guessed Tim was town. Which is why I don't like the "we have to yeet this person" mentality.

Anyway. Could Tim's roleblock have failed because the ratio was just off? =p
No - he's told what action he gets at the start of each night. So he did have a roleblock.

Also I'm pretty sure we have to exe Tim on game theory - we can't leave someone alive if we strongly suspect they lied about their claim.
tim?

Yeah - Dizzy was saying they townread Tim and didn't like that we had to exe him, but my point was that the decision was right and we couldn't have left Tim alive.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:38 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pmNo - he's told what action he gets at the start of each night. So he did have a roleblock.

Also I'm pretty sure we have to exe Tim on game theory - we can't leave someone alive if we strongly suspect they lied about their claim.

Well, I didn't really. I brought up that it's a completely weird lie to just come with out of the blue. But whatever.

I'm going to bed. Don't ask me why his block didn't go through, cause I don't know. Maybe it actually have to do with Ted, but that's also a bit farfetched. Strongman kill is the only thing that is an obvious action for Ted that is unblockable and obviously that was not used.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:38 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:34 pm What's keeping Alison from being scum again?

I'm mech cleared of being scum and have townsided too much to be a 3P.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:41 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 pm @Alison, I'm No Surprises from OK Computer.

There's flipped scum on this album.

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention], check Wilgy to see if this claim is truthful.

[mention]Herm[/mention], check some other album (bends or something) to lower the range of albums that scum can safely claim in.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm**

Hm. What do we think is the probability of Wilgy being 3P or the probability of there being 2 scum in the same album? Because there's no use verifying Wilgy is OK Computer if we have to exe him anyway because he could be 3P or there could be 2 wolves in Ok Computer. I'll sleep on it.

In the meantime, [mention]MacDougall[/mention] do you have any thoughts? You came up with the original plan so I'd be interested in hearing what you think the best moves are for town.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm**

Ugh. I should memorise this, but what role did Ted claim btw?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:43 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm Ugh. I should memorise this, but what role did Ted claim btw?

Vote Manipulation Nullifier, I believe. He visits someone, and if votes by or against them count for any number other than 1, they count for 1.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:43 pm**

im gonna be a little less present tomorrow (and will be one handed for a while when typing)

I've got a track target in mind, but if anyone in the towncore would prefer to send me a pool of trackable people, just mention me

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:44 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm Ugh. I should memorise this, but what role did Ted claim btw?
Vote Manipulation Nullifier, I believe. He visits someone, and if votes by or against them count for any number other than 1, they count for 1.

Ah. Ok. Seems legit tbh. Did any of the flipped scum have vote manipulation?
I was thinking maybe Ted blocked Tim, coin flip or mafia block over town block, but that seems like a stretch.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:45 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:43 pm im gonna be a little less present tomorrow (and will be one handed for a while when typing)

I've got a track target in mind, but if anyone in the towncore would prefer to send me a pool of trackable people, just mention me

Well, you know who I'm tracking, so let's not double =p

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:46 pm**

At least we know for sure it’s 2 scum one rogue left

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:47 pm**

My hair is a fucking mess. This has been a public service announcement.

And good night. ^^

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:50 pm**

Dizzy, Herm, LC, Nanook, Oddmerta, Samusamu is my tentative track pool, [mention]dyachei[/mention]. I think any of them would be decent tracks.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:51 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 pmWhat?

I know my own alignment silly, thus Tim's alignment makes me read you differently? Also at the same time being aware that my alignment will be revealed after I die?
But what does Tim have to do with your alignment? It's just a weird way to say it. Like, you and me, we aren't connected by the whole claim business thingy. If I understood all that correctly.

Aren't you the one that raised the fact that Tim lied re my N1 random glance?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:53 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:50 pm Dizzy, Herm, LC, Nanook, Oddmerta, Samusamu is my tentative track pool, @dyachei. I think any of them would be decent tracks.

Not samu. Hello

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:56 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 pmWhat?

I know my own alignment silly, thus Tim's alignment makes me read you differently? Also at the same time being aware that my alignment will be revealed after I die?
But what does Tim have to do with your alignment? It's just a weird way to say it. Like, you and me, we aren't connected by the whole claim business thingy. If I understood all that correctly.
Aren't you the one that raised the fact that Tim lied re my N1 random glance?

You mean the seeing one player visit Ted? Cause no. Read my later posts. You saw me and not Tim visit Ted. Looked like he lied at first, but it just seemed like a really unnecessary lie that scum doesn’t make. Didn’t know for sure, but now we do.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:16 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:50 pm Dizzy, Herm, LC, Nanook, Oddmerta, Samusamu is my tentative track pool, @dyachei. I think any of them would be decent tracks.
Not samu. Hello

Good point. Minus Samu then.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:16 pm**

I fell asleep and missed EOD. Tim, I'm sorry but you looked like the right yeet to me. I appreciate the fact that you kept throwing out ideas/thoughts until the yeet and I promise I will consider what you had to say.

My assignment for the night is Radishes but I'll be around in the morning in case we want to change the plan.

I'm out for the night now unless we have important business to do.

Oh, dya I agree with Alison's list except Samu because Dizzy has him.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:28 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm Hm. What do we think is the probability of Wilgy being 3P or the probability of there being 2 scum in the same album? Because there's no use verifying Wilgy is OK Computer if we have to exe him anyway because he could be 3P or there could be 2 wolves in Ok Computer. I'll sleep on it.

In the meantime, @MacDougall do you have any thoughts? You came up with the original plan so I'd be interested in hearing what you think the best moves are for town.

I don't see why the plan should be altered at this point.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:30 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:50 pm Dizzy, Herm, LC, Nanook, Oddmerta, Samusamu is my tentative track pool, @dyachei. I think any of them would be decent tracks.

Why would you want to track one of your cop clears?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:51 pm**

mafia is all about mindreading ppl right friends

so here is a mindreading exercise

i am thinking of 1 person from this game for each 1 of these songs

song A:

song B:

song C:

song D:

song E:

if u guess all 5 ppl im thinking of u are the greatest mafia player that has ever existed

hint: A isn't samusamu

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:57 am**

Tim is dead and town leading TSP to say “I have told you so”

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:57 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:42 pm Hm. What do we think is the probability of Wilgy being 3P or the probability of there being 2 scum in the same album? Because there's no use verifying Wilgy is OK Computer if we have to exe him anyway because he could be 3P or there could be 2 wolves in Ok Computer. I'll sleep on it.

In the meantime, @MacDougall do you have any thoughts? You came up with the original plan so I'd be interested in hearing what you think the best moves are for town.

Get Bayes on this right away

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:25 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:30 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:50 pm Dizzy, Herm, LC, Nanook, Oddmerta, Samusamu is my tentative track pool, @dyachei. I think any of them would be decent tracks.
Why would you want to track one of your cop clears?

because 3P equity. the reason why I cop checked nook was because I was afraid of him being 3P - you can see that I was like "oops I fucked up" when I realized my cop doesn't find 3Ps. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that the 3P has to visit people to use their role, which is why a track on nanook isn't a bad idea because he has no reason to be visiting people at night so if he's tracked to someone that's very suspicious

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:34 am**

I’m definitely visiting someone tonight tho

Posted: **Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:03 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:34 am I’m definitely visiting someone tonight tho

why do you want the extra vote that bad

stay home, it will only make you look bad if you are caught visiting

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